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Old 09-22-2005, 06:31 PM   #31
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Ahh boy. Now a personal attack. Good on ya.
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Old 09-22-2005, 06:59 PM   #32
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Why should the forum close because of bad blood between Wegg and Martin. I think Martin amongst others, believes that we are all acolytes of Wegg, so if this forum should close simply due to Wegg's departure, this would prove it.
It's already been pointed out, there is another moderator here and Mike has nobly volunteered. Heck, I'd be happy to step up to the plate, it can't be that difficult
 
Old 09-22-2005, 07:04 PM   #33
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So the A:M expatriots will have to find somewhere else to whine about Hash inc.? Gee, that's too bad


I don't think that is completely fair to say Zan. I usually check here everyday and don't consider myself an "expat." I find it very inspirational to see the stuff posted on CGTalk in general and liked the fact a:m was featured on a professional board. You, yourself Zan have posted your work and displayed your product here numerous times. And while neither you nor I have received front page status a few a:m users have. So I for one am sorry to see this section close because not only was it a place where people talked about the apps problems. It was also a place where others could see its strengths.
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Old 09-22-2005, 07:10 PM   #34
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I just don't understand this. Look at the forum as it is now! What is there not to like?

There may not be as much activity here as there could be but it isn't dead. Actually, things have been picking up a bit. I found out recently that a new Russian forum is linking here:

http://3dfly.com/forum/index.php?topic=130.0

Maybe the next time they link to here it will be to this thread. Won't that be great marketing?

Will, it seems odd to label this forum like you do AND use it as an advertising board.

It all makes me think that there might be something ahead...
 
Old 09-22-2005, 07:15 PM   #35
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what?

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Ahh boy. Now a personal attack. Good on ya.


Ok, I'm officially lost. Wegg, is this directed to me, or someone else?
I didn't attack you. If I said anything bad, I take it back.
I think you're an asset to this software and this forum!

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Old 09-22-2005, 07:29 PM   #36
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Well...

I guess it's too late now.
Wegg you took "our" forum down with you man. You didn't have to that.

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Old 09-22-2005, 08:30 PM   #37
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No, this has nothing to do with advertising. It has to do with the fact that Wegg has received repeated hostility from Martin Hash regarding this forum. In light of this, we feel that closing this forum is the best course of action, so that Wegg can concentrate his efforts on a forum where those efforts are actually appreciated.


???

Leigh is are aware this is a third-party forum, right? It wouldn't matter how much Martin Hash is against it (if he is)... he has no control over who visits or posts here. None. What's he gonna do? Take away their splines? The whole premise is absurd.

The real reason there is so little traffic here is because the Hash A:M forum is where the info is. That's where the talented users are posting their work. That's where the newbies can get helpful answers to their questions.

Consider one of the typical posts above where a guy say he hasn't used A:M in five years yet claims to know what Hash is like now. And then goes on to tell us about his other software choices. Why would someone looking for A:M answers want to spend time sorting through the noise? They get all the marketing that everyone else does, they've heard the pitches and made their choice. I could just about guarantee you that every A:M user has already heard about all the other choices out there.

If there was helpful material here, people would be here, users would be here, it's that simple.

This forum was negative to begin with and has stayed that way. That's what happens when the moderators aren't really "moderators" at all.

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Do a search on the Hash forums for "CGTalk". I believe the only references you will find are quites from Martin himself.
If you actually did that search you know that statement is not true. But none-the-less you said it anyway. Why?

I got eight pages of threads, obviously not all written by Martin Hash. A search on threads in which "CGTalk" is mentioned and in which Martin has also posted brings up only eight theads. Over two years. Hardly a campaign against CGTalk, but imagination is a powerful thing.

All you CGTalk A:M users... come on over to the A:M forum.
Show us your good work, ask us your good questions, give us your good answers.

Remember, it's a user forum... 99.9% of the activity on it is by users, not Hash employees. If you got a gripe about Hash policies, send it to Hash itself; the forum users don't have the answers you need. If you got a bug report, log it on AMReports where it can be assessed; the forum users aren't the programmers who can fix it. (But if you got a cool idea for a plug-in, there are some users who are pretty snappy programmers)

And if you just want to bitch...there's this new internet thing called a "blog" made just for you. Check it out!
 
Old 09-22-2005, 09:10 PM   #38
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Consider one of the typical posts above where a guy say he hasn't used A:M in five years yet claims to know what Hash is like now. And then goes on to tell us about his other software choices.


That post was very A-typical. I fealt I did a very good job of keeping the signal to noise ratio way way down. But. . . I did it in a way that didn't infuriate people and cause people to get all pissed off.. .

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This forum was negative to begin with and has stayed that way. That's what happens when the moderators aren't really "moderators" at all.


BS

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Consider:

If you actually did that search you know that statement is not true. But none-the-less you said it anyway. Why?


I think it is because I'm a "fellow". Sorry to confuse you. There are layers of admittance in the A:M forums.


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And if you just want to bitch...there's this new internet thing called a "blog" made just for you. Check it out!


I. . . don't believe I ever bitched. I kept things positive, professional and on-topic.
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Old 09-22-2005, 09:15 PM   #39
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I guess it's too late now.
Wegg you took "our" forum down with you man. You didn't have to that.


You seem to think I have some kind of control over what goes on here. I don't. I posted what was happening in the forum leaders area here asking for advice. . . and everyone almost as a whole decided that the best thing to do was end it. I asked if I could post a final notice before they did they agreed. . . I posted a little note. . . and thats the end.


THE END!
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Old 09-22-2005, 09:24 PM   #40
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It all makes me think that there might be something ahead...


Nope. Your reading things into it. Hash isn't going anywhere. CGTalk isn't going anywhere. I'm not going anywhere. It just this little tiny blip on cyberspace that is now going dark. Don't read anything more into it please. A:M kicks ass. I may even continue to work on eggprops again. . . who knows.
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