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  06 June 2013
Opinion What adult animation should be: Invisible to You Documentary

Rob note:

One of my pet peeves is that I love reading about how a lot of animation fans want more mature content. Hell they almost demand it.

But when pressed of what they think is "mature" their definition is more anything but (Extreme Sex,Violence).



Well my good friend Erben shared with me an amazing documentary series about childhood abuse called "Invisible to You"



The clips are very powerful statement of what animation can do.

You can checkthem out here:
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Last edited by RobertoOrtiz : 06 June 2013 at 05:24 PM.
 
  06 June 2013
So if sex and violence isn't mature, then what is it?
 
  06 June 2013
How about religion, politics, crime, death and grief, racism, GMO, chronic illness or terminal disease? These are all subjects which could be tackled in a mature animated project. In Japan, they have shows like Bartender, Sanctuary, Monster, Jin-Roh and others which can delve into mature content without sliding into extreme sex and violence. (well, okay Jin-Roh and Sanctuary are still pretty violent but...)

I think extreme sex and violence are immediate indicators of mature content to western audiences. (In Japan some children's or teen shows have some level of both) Todd Macfarlane said, in his commentary on the HBO Spawn series that he put these things up front to "get the soccor moms out of the room". I think without these a show might immediately be thought of as for children and not given a chance.
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  06 June 2013
I don't think there's any one thing that makes animation mature. Most of the so-called mature animation I've seen, it's as if the directors got so caught up on being able to have sex and violence in their film, they forgot that those things still need to serve the story.

Also "mature" isn't quite the same thing as "adults only". Childrens' shows can sometimes cover some weighty subject matter in a mature way, while the few adults-only cartoons I've seen were incredibly childish.
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  06 June 2013
I remember when I helped with an interview about Deus Ex 2 and we've asked Warren Spector about what he thinks about how the expression "adult entertainment" basically means porn... This is not a new issue :(
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  06 June 2013
Princess Mononoke is my favorite Miyazaki film.
Violence and environmental issues. (o;
 
  06 June 2013
Originally Posted by circusboy: Princess Mononoke is my favorite Miyazaki film.
Violence and environmental issues. (o;

And my personal favorie by Miyazaki is Nausicca and the Valley of the wind.
Kinda like a Disney fairy tale with a higher body count.

I like the movie a lot becuase the violence is a BIG PART of the tale.
After all this idealistic young girl wanted to stop an ongoing war all by herself.
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  07 July 2013
Originally Posted by RobertoOrtiz: Rob note:

One of my pet peeves is that I love reading about how a lot of animation fans want more mature content. Hell they almost demand it.

But when pressed of what they think is "mature" their definition is more anything but (Extreme Sex,Violence).


Right off the bat I see a problem:

Immediately we take something subjective and apply a standard that only applies to some and automatically renders all other opinions as wrong.

Examples the people cite for "mature" animation end up being adult content that might not be suitable for kids. So then if that's not a valid response then tell everyone to watch the old Star Trek: TAS. Roddenberry went with Filmation because they had a more mature approach to the subject which made the animation take a back seat.

I watched a serious CG animated feature that was very mature and never once resorted to gratuitous violence or sex... but FF: The Spirits Within was just too boring.

Point is, if people equate maturity with adult content, don't automatically dismiss them.
 
  07 July 2013
Originally Posted by redbellpeppers: Right off the bat I see a problem:



Immediately we take something subjective and apply a standard that only applies to some and automatically renders all other opinions as wrong.

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I tend not to work at all way with the people I know and work for. I am sorry if
you felt that U I came across that way.



Originally Posted by redbellpeppers: Examples the people cite for "mature" animation end up being adult content that might not be suitable for kids. So then if that's not a valid response then tell everyone to watch the old Star Trek: TAS. Roddenberry went with Filmation because they had a more mature approach to the subject which made the animation take a back seat.



I watched a serious CG animated feature that was very mature and never once resorted to gratuitous violence or sex... but FF: The Spirits Within was just too boring.



Point is, if people equate maturity with adult content, don't automatically dismiss them.




My take on it, is that a pattern I see is the opposite. One were pushing boundaries and going over the top (for better or for worse) equates to some thing being mature.
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  07 July 2013
Originally Posted by RobertoOrtiz:


I tend not to work at all way with the people I know and work for. I am sorry if
you felt that U I came across that way.

My take on it, is that a pattern I see is the opposite. One were pushing boundaries and going over the top (for better or for worse) equates to some thing being mature.

Ya know, my post came off as kinda dick-ish... and that was not my intention at all. Altho I stand behind my statements, I didn't mean how it come across.

I apologize.


Quote: Plans to make another Heavy Metal film surfaced around 2008, which was to be directed by David Fincher. This sequel would feature segments directed by James Cameron and Kevin Eastman, and it was revealed that Zack Snyder, Gore Verbinski and Guillermo del Toro wanted to direct some segments. Mark Osborne and Jack Black (Tenacious D) were also set to direct a segment. Sadly, this project was canned. Apparently no distributor was interested in it. Paramount rejected it because they felt it was too risque for mainstream audiences.


Well, I guess that's what happens when you use other peoples' money instead of ponying up yourself.
 
  07 July 2013
Originally Posted by redbellpeppers:

Well, I guess that's what happens when you use other peoples' money instead of ponying up yourself.


One of the oldest nuggets of advice in filmmaking is: dont finance your own films.
But studio patrons/financiers used to be more willing to fund a variety of films.
If a Heavy Traffic or Watership Down or Adventures of Mark Twain could get funding and distribution then surely a Heavy Metal could have (in the days when there were more studios and distribution channels and it didnt cost as much).
 
  07 July 2013
Originally Posted by kelgy: One of the oldest nuggets of advice in filmmaking is: dont finance your own films.
But studio patrons/financiers used to be more willing to fund a variety of films.
If a Heavy Traffic or Watership Down or Adventures of Mark Twain could get funding and distribution then surely a Heavy Metal could have (in the days when there were more studios and distribution channels and it didnt cost as much).


Lucky for me, I live in a country where producers are so tired of rom-coms, a number of them actually want a dose of "Heavy Metal"....

Mature should be about "anything that would fly over the heads of children below 18".... and that's from the basest things to the more high-end things.

Teruchan is hitting the issue on the head - The problem is nobody tries. America is stuck in "talking animals singing happy music" land.

I wonder what happened to the animated film Thunder Run ...
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  07 July 2013
Originally Posted by kelgy: One of the oldest nuggets of advice in filmmaking is: dont finance your own films.
But studio patrons/financiers used to be more willing to fund a variety of films.
If a Heavy Traffic or Watership Down or Adventures of Mark Twain could get funding and distribution then surely a Heavy Metal could have (in the days when there were more studios and distribution channels and it didnt cost as much).

Well, I can't help but believe that funding yourf own projects could / would allow you to make a superior product than that which the studios would allow you to make.
And probably receive more acclaim to boot.
 
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