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  08 August 2012
Kitty Heaven

Greetings,

I'd love some feedback on these paintings/drawings please. I'm an aspiring wannabe illustrator.

Cheers, Iva






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  08 August 2012
Below is the standard reply I use when I see beginner artists who are asking for critiques in the WIP forums:

It's really hard to critique works from artists who are still very early in their artistic development, just like how it's very hard to critique someone's language skills if they are just starting to learn a new language, because so much of what they do is wrong.

To critique beginner's work would no longer be critique--it would become instruction in all the basics, because you would have to explain every aspect of the visual art foundation in detail and how they related to the mistakes made in the image--from composition, perspective, values, lighting, tonal composition, atmospheric perspective, color temperature, color contrast, radiosity/color bleed, deceptive colors, contextural color illusions, anatomy, figure, psychological and physiological roots of body language and facial expressions, aesthetic sensibility, hierarchy of edges, brushwork, line quality, visual storytelling techniques, and so on.

My suggestion is for you to focus on learning the critical foundations of visual art--don't rush into trying to construct your own images because you lack the necessarily knowledge/skill/experience to do your ideas any justice at this point. Head on over to the Art Techniques & Theories forum (linked below in my signature) and start reading the sticky threads--they will help you far more than any critique you're going to get at this point, because any critique you get would essentially be very condensed and simplified art instruction anyway, and they won't help you that much if you aren't learning those instructions in proper context through a carefully laid out learning/teaching plan.
 
  09 September 2012
Sheesh, that "standard reply" Copy/Paste is... IMHO, rather superfluous. If you can't critique an image itself, just go for the artist instead, tell them they're beginners and have to learn everything? Good job, you're a real motivator. And a real help, especially considering that you're really putting the effort in there to tell them something about *the actual* images... Oh, right, you didn't.

So, towards a proper comment:
I for one rather see a distinct style in the images above. As it seems you're going for a very 2D-ish kind of image, my initial suggestion would be to look more into line thickness, e.g. the first image with all the cats could use some variety in that regard. And while the other two images have them, the first also seems to be missing some shading, and looks rather flat (even for 2D, if you get what I mean). Can't say much to the second, that horse looks kinda creepy to me, and missing colors or more gray it also seems as if all the trees are on the same level as the horse. Could be what you're going for in terms of style, but is a little irritating to view. But the third one is really cute and well done.

Anyways, just my 2 cents worth to counteract that "copy/paste" reply I've seen way too often lately. I'm by no means an expert myself, my critique above is just my gut telling me what I think is missing in those images you posted.

Regards,
Tim
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  09 September 2012
Originally Posted by TimNikias: Sheesh, that "standard reply" Copy/Paste is... IMHO, rather superfluous. If you can't critique an image itself, just go for the artist instead, tell them they're beginners and have to learn everything? Good job, you're a real motivator. And a real help, especially considering that you're really putting the effort in there to tell them something about *the actual* images... Oh, right, you didn't.

So, towards a proper comment:
I for one rather see a distinct style in the images above. As it seems you're going for a very 2D-ish kind of image, my initial suggestion would be to look more into line thickness, e.g. the first image with all the cats could use some variety in that regard. And while the other two images have them, the first also seems to be missing some shading, and looks rather flat (even for 2D, if you get what I mean). Can't say much to the second, that horse looks kinda creepy to me, and missing colors or more gray it also seems as if all the trees are on the same level as the horse. Could be what you're going for in terms of style, but is a little irritating to view. But the third one is really cute and well done.

Anyways, just my 2 cents worth to counteract that "copy/paste" reply I've seen way too often lately. I'm by no means an expert myself, my critique above is just my gut telling me what I think is missing in those images you posted.

Regards,
Tim


The standard note to beginners are necessary if you really want them to become better artists in an efficient manner. Telling them what's wrong with the images they post only works as a temporary band-aid for all the leaks in their "artistic boat." They'll maybe patch up a few of those leaks in those images, but the overall quality of their work and their understanding as artists will still be far from proficient. So what happens the next time they post more equally beginner level works, with a bunch more leaks that needs to be patched up? You go through the same thing again, and that just isn't an efficient way for an artist to learn and grow in a manner that is actually effective. This is something all advanced artists understand, because they have been through the journey, and they know what really matters in an artists growth and development.

The most effective way possible for any artist to learn and grow so that their work will have significant leaps in improvement, is to simply buckle down and study the critical foundations of visual art. There is not other way. By doing their own thing full of mistakes and repeating the same misunderstandings, and having others give them a few tips here and there over and over, is not nearly as effective for their actual artistic growth.

Beginners don't even have the necessary insight to be able to implement or make sense of much of the critiques they get, because they haven't studied any of the foundations yet.

Have you actually been to the Art Techniques & Theories forum at cgtalk? Have you actually read through the sticky threads there? If you have, then you'll understand why I keep sending beginners there--it is the best thing for their artistic growth.
 
  09 September 2012
I'm not saying that the advice in general isn't a bad idea. And although simple suggestions might be a band-aid approach, it's also a way to motivate a person to improve on an image.

Posting the exact same reply feels like you can't be bothered to say anything in regard to the images themselves, which is IMHO what people are asking for. Of course, if something is way off, a note or link to the stickies and what not is fine and dandy. But at least tell them something on a personal level by writing something yourself, rather than just copy-pasting some reply you've cooked up at some point and now feel like pasting when you see a couple of mistakes, where a single suggestion might not suffice to get the image up to CG-Talks (rather high) standards.

IMHO, it's very demeaning to not even go to the effort of writing something new, and seeing the same post in several threads was just bugging me. One could just employ a bot for that.
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  09 September 2012
Originally Posted by TimNikias: I'm not saying that the advice in general isn't a bad idea. And although simple suggestions might be a band-aid approach, it's also a way to motivate a person to improve on an image.

Posting the exact same reply feels like you can't be bothered to say anything in regard to the images themselves, which is IMHO what people are asking for. Of course, if something is way off, a note or link to the stickies and what not is fine and dandy. But at least tell them something on a personal level by writing something yourself, rather than just copy-pasting some reply you've cooked up at some point and now feel like pasting when you see a couple of mistakes, where a single suggestion might not suffice to get the image up to CG-Talks (rather high) standards.

IMHO, it's very demeaning to not even go to the effort of writing something new, and seeing the same post in several threads was just bugging me. One could just employ a bot for that.


You're are not considering the fact that I give very detailed and thorough critiques for many of the threads in the WIP forum, and I post that form reply ONLY for the total beginners who really should just be learning the basics instead of posting stuff that shows they haven't studied any basics at all. Just do a search for all the in-depth critiques I've given in the WIP forums in the last year alone--it'll make your head spin.

And why would I rewrite the same advice over and over if it's the exact same advice? The whole reason I started to use that form reply for beginners is because I keep having to write the same reply over and over--dozens and dozens of them, all the time. How about you try volunteering your time for several hours a week just to help out with in-depth critiques in the WIP forums. After a few months, you're going to want to have a form reply for the total beginners too, especially when it becomes painfully clear that the only thing that will help these beginners is to convince them that they need to simply slow down and learn how to walk before they try to run. After the nth time of saying how the person needs to learn the basics because they don't understand anything about composition, values, lighting, colors, perspective, anatomy/figure, and so on, and their images have problems in all of those areas, in every part, every corner, you're going to want to find a way to tell them all that in a way that is sufficiently in-depth, but without you having to write the same thing over and over. Beginners all share the exact same weaknesses in their artistic development--it is not like giving intermediate and advanced artists critiques where each image has unique set of problems to troubleshoot. All beginner's works have problems in every single area of the basic foundations. That is why a form reply is sufficient. It'll help them realize that they need to learn the basics, and I point them to the place they can best do that.

Nobody else even bothers replying to the posts by the total beginners, because they know any specific pointers for the images are not going to be of much help in their actual artistic development. Only studying and learning the basic foundations will.

You try and reply to all the beginner posts for a few months, non-stop, spending several hours of your time every week doing it. I will bet you that you will end up using a form reply of some kind, or simply rewording the exact same set of advice over and over and over.

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