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Old 01 January 2005   #106
everytime i see this i am inspired. she's hot; beautiful. cool costume, a great mix of historical styles. fantastic mixing of concepts in there. especially all the subtley changed emblems. and of course the ever popular elizabethan gestapo leatherwork! they all seem in harmony with each other, in terms of treatment. great concept, better execution. can see it hanging on a wall in some engllish stately home, like those portraits with the hunting dogs or horses. maya 3d please!just wondering why her airship is different from all the others. (the others have no railings...)
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Old 01 January 2005   #107
Red face

I am so incredibly offended with this picture I cant even put it into words!!!

Just kidding of course. Ive had this one in my favorites for quite some time now and was just looking back at it and saw the whole Nazi related discussion going on and was blown away. I have no opinion on it all at this point and dont want to express an opinion that would dredge up the conversation again but I do wish to say that I hope the heated debate that came up over this piece hasn't made you skiddish about posting more art. I haven't seen anything else posted from you since and I am dying to see more artwork from you if it is even close to the quality in this piece.

You might jsut be busy and not have anything new to post which I hope is the case. If you were too annoyed or turned-off by the CG Talk members' reactions to post any art in the future that would be a real bummer!

-Jason
 
Old 01 January 2005   #108
Talking good!

Sexy woman!
 
Old 01 January 2005   #109
wow.

Beautiful piece of work.
 
Old 01 January 2005   #110
Thumbs up

I know a lot of people are offended by this picture, but I'm not. I'm not ignorant of the topic and i still think this is fine piece of art. Yes, ART...it is supposed to be expressive and at times controversal (tho, i'm not sure if it was intended in this case) but i still find the beauty of this piece of art.

Personally, i think this piece is a great statement of stereotypes... Just seeing a nazi symbol makes everyone all upset and uptight, but the girl shows that u can find beauty in the ugliest of things.

Get over stereotyping in negative ways and realize that not everyone who followed hitler and his nazis were bad people...some were still good people and beatiful, too.
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Old 01 January 2005   #111
Thumbs up Nice work!

I like the uniform so much,the design is really wonderful!(Also,the uniform is British style.)
And all the airships,convulse me so much!
Wish you wouldn't mind if I collect it.
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Old 01 January 2005   #112
Nice pic! I really like womans! She is very...hnn...she is dominant!
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Old 02 February 2005   #113
Very nice indeed. Beautiful girl with "powerful" clothes, nice stand and good setting (place) which gives it a special touch.

Now im intrested in the fact..

How will her "husband", second captain, co-pilot or just "boyfriend" look like?
Will it be also some dude in same clothe style or will it be the opposite, like yin and yan(, white clothes)?
Or is there no "captain/boyfriend" in this girls life?

I'm not as good as you but i do think it looks great and realistic. Ones again, nice done.

And of course keep it up.
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Old 04 April 2005   #114
Originally Posted by Darek Bubela: I know a lot of people are offended by this picture, but I'm not. I'm not ignorant of the topic and i still think this is fine piece of art. Yes, ART...it is supposed to be expressive and at times controversal (tho, i'm not sure if it was intended in this case) but i still find the beauty of this piece of art.

Personally, i think this piece is a great statement of stereotypes... Just seeing a nazi symbol makes everyone all upset and uptight, but the girl shows that u can find beauty in the ugliest of things.

Get over stereotyping in negative ways and realize that not everyone who followed hitler and his nazis were bad people...some were still good people and beatiful, too.


I think it's pretty stupid to be offended by this. This is great artwork and I do not see anything that is offensive despite the obvious military nature of the setting.
 
Old 09 September 2005   #115
Angry Now I'm mad!

Well, I just found this site today and already some of the opinions posted as an answer to this briliant picture got my blood boiling in my veins. I've seen many manifestations of human indolence and effects of pollitical correctness propaganda that is wide spread in the media, but this... Some of you are criticizing an artist, and a good one at that, just for the use of certain imagery. An altered and severly differed from the original might I add. Most of these opinions have nothing to do with historical and furthermore political concept of National Socialism. You "critics" apparently do not even know what word "Nazi" means. It stands for GERMAN (and not any other) National Socialist - "nazionalsozialist". When used in the context of any other country it should never be even mentioned, and here we have an example of ENGLAND in alternate universe. I'm acquainted with most of the political concepts that were present in human history, simply by a fact that I'm a student o Political Sciences. To be exact, National Socialism is nothing more than one of political, economical and adnimistrative concepts to rule a country. Just like oligarchy, democracy, absolutism, monarchy, socialism, politeya and many more. To all those self-righteous censors and defenders of morality and historical untruth, National Socialism does not derive from Germany and for your personal information, Poland, the country attacked firstly, had NS parties in 1918 - the first year of our independence! National Socialism in its roots was not hatemongering ideology, simply set to preserve the national values. There is simply nothing to hate or like if you are not into politics. And I don't think that pride of one's nation or love to country's history is something bad or to be ashamed of, if you do then I feel sorry for the country you live in. But let's get back to the main cause of this odd quibble. The symbolics, if this settles you, used in this picture needn't be of III Reich origin, because the Reich wasn't so innovative as you may think. Death's Heads were commonly used in Prussian cavalry (Totenkopf-Hussaren), Tsarist Russia and even in Polish dyon (old term for division) of cavalry (going under the name "Huzarzy Smierci - The Death's Head Hussars" during the Polish - Soviet war of 1920). As cavalry dressed in black uniforms with skull as their emblem they were probably firstly installed in Prussian Army but before that, during the January Uprising 1863 on ethnic Polish teritiories, Death's Heads and black uniforms were used by "Zuawi Smierci" which can be loosely translated as Death Infantry. If you want to see some proofs, so here:

Zuawi Smierci:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...awi_smierci.jpg

Polish Death's Head Hussars of 1920 Polish-Soviet war:
http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/...zwadrony3dq.jpg

Prussian Hussars from World War I:
http://www.greatwar.nl/kleur/princereg.jpg
http://www.greatwar.nl/kaiser/kronprinz.jpg

General August von Mackensen in uniform from around Franco-Prussian War (1870-71):
http://www.pzaufkl.de/mackensen.jpg

Concerning the Iron Cross, its design was popular in almost EVERY army of European Continent. When it goes to swastika, which is NOT EVEN USED in this picture. Its banishment by EU council is more or less as infantile as treating carrot as a fruit by same authority organ. This sign is present in almost every culture, Nordic - as a sign of sun or wheels of Thor's charriot, Slavonic as Swiaszczyca - as a fire, sun symbol, commonly used on Arkona (today's Rugia). Hindu, Chinese, Japanese and many more as a sign of happines and luck. Even Perssian, Asyrian, Aztec, Inca, Toltec, Greek (Gammadion, Tetraskelion) and even jewish cultures had swastika as a symbol. I'm almost sure that if Poshspice would draw alternate universe England as a communist state, with usage of red star and sickle crossed with hammer you wouldn't object. And that is because winners write history, and even if you have this small awareness of that the communism is "bad" only "Nazism" triggers your strange reaction. And now:

Directly to FredMerlos : Your knowledge of history is astounding, probably you haven't touched historical book, beside History Textbook in highschool. You wrote that Nazism killed the largest amount of people in history of mankind, which proves you obviously have no idea about this particular branch of science. Let me give you some numbers, the total number of victims of Nazi regime is 25 million, and now read carefully, total numer of communism victims may be over 300 million (three hundred!) according to "The Black Book of Communism". Furthermore communists were first when it comes to building deathcamps, they were more brutal and inhumane but they won the war so there were no serious repercusions about their ideology, were there? And don't tell me (or maybe Arctis wrote this) that Germans were traumatized by Nazism, Germans were traumatized by loosing the war which was not the consequence of Nazism but Hitler's lack of strategic abilities. Germans couldn't be traumatized by an ideology praising German Folk. Besides if any of you would be interested in history you would know something about historiosophy. That's the science basicly and among other things dealing with "what could happen if". So if there was no Holy Inqusition many think we would colonize Mars by now, so the absolutistic monarchy dressed in the robes of NS Totalitrianism would be pretty much possible as the two are very close.

Directly to Arctis: Your argumentation is even less coherent then one of Fred Merlos. No comment. Well maybe one little, mayble we really should organize another genocide but this time only for those who give their authoritative opinions about something they are not familiar with? Or for those not literate enough to read a book about that? Next time think twice before making such remarks...

Oh, one more thing about that thing here: http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/
Half of what they write about symbolics on this site is very misleading, I don't intend to be ashamed of some of them just because some americam idiot tatooed it on his skull/chest/whatever and thus it was approved as a "hate-symbol", some of them are a part of European heritage (runes, sunwheel, celtic cross, Odin's mandala etc).
I apologize if I've been a little harsh and my tongue was too sharp, but such ignorance on the subject that I'm so fond of (history) just makes me mad as hell.

At the end of this massive post I would like to tell Poshspice that his work is fantastic, not BECAUSE he used totalitarian symbolics, but because he used totalitarian symbolics among various other things, and he did it with great skill. I'm not in position to judge the purely technical side of this picture but I just like it, just as I like other pics from his site. (even though Demon Prince has behind him pentagram pointed not in the way it should be ). My congratulations.

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Old 10 October 2005   #116
Exclamation Beautiful !

What a beautiful image.
Such great texture on the clothing.
Fantastic style.
5 Stars!

I come to CG SOCIETY to admire art.
I dont care about politics when I am here.
Being here helps me escape reality...it gives me
a chance to put the world on hold.
I wander through CG SOCIETY
admiring and studying all the beautiful
realizations of other artists.

I dont give a crap about their politics or whatever...blah blah blah...
I only care about possible tutorials and other goodies to create more beautiful images with!

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Old 10 October 2005   #117
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