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  08 August 2003
Talking CG Artists: Nerds with a creative side or Artists with a geeky side?

I've always run into this dilemma while talking to other CG people. I'm really a middle-ground, I've been using computers as much as I've been an artist, so it's really hard to classify me, but most other artists I know are either artists who are computer-savvy or nerds with an artistic spark.

What do you think?
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  08 August 2003
"Computer Geeks" and Artists are both creative. I always use the example of John Romero and John Carmack of ID. Romero is an artist of design. He pulls together great creatures and levels while making the tools to do the job. Carmack is a programming artist. He can come up with creative ways of handling graphics that is outside the realm of what most programmers can think of. They're both creative geniuses, and in my opinon, both artists, regardless of the fact that Romero is a gaming super-freak and Carmack is a programming zealot.

So just tell 'em you're an artist and be done with it.
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  08 August 2003
From what I've seen, the most talented CG people are the ones who are artists first and computer enthusiasts second. For example, the ones who are able to draw and/or paint well are usually able to transfer their artistic abilities to a computer screen as well. Pure geeks, on the other hand, learn the app very quickly, but never really create anything with high artistic value. Imho, of coarse.
 
  08 August 2003
i really dislike the generalised status of being called a "nerd"

Everything has a name, why cant people just use it, unsted of making it sound like a 3rd class use, they are all generalised, and it shits me, but... "artists" have their place, Yes, but sadly enough these days, its becoming the state of "You Use a Computer?... NERD", well well well. As the use of CG is more widly used in todays society,

meh, i imagine that you understand my frustration in this subject,

but i agree with what has been said so far....

TyR-
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  08 August 2003
Well, a geek and a nerd are two different things :P. A nerd is someone who's really into computers and has an affection for some sort of sci-fi and/or Linux. A geek is usually a Windows guy who likes computers but isn't too proficient with the hardware side of them. At a party, the geek would be more likely to talk to other people and have fun while the nerd would be sitting home and bitching and whining about people rejecting him .

And I share the exact same feeling, just recently I wrote in my articles "seems like everyone who wears glasses and knows how to use a computer is considered a NERD." It pisses me off because people who call me a NERD really don't understand that I'm not a childish guy who likes sci-fi (I hate SW/ST/B5) and Linux and cares about system specs and is on IM all day. I'm not saying I'm a superstar, but by far I'm not a nerd, I'm rather a geek with a more or less LIFE .

People who call others a nerd/geek and don't use a computer should be taken with an intravenous dose of salt. Mainstream people have absolutely no clue as to the workings of digital society.
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  03 March 2005
Originally Posted by Aevium Viemme: Well, a geek and a nerd are two different things :P. A nerd is someone who's really into computers and has an affection for some sort of sci-fi and/or Linux. A geek is usually a Windows guy who likes computers but isn't too proficient with the hardware side of them. At a party, the geek would be more likely to talk to other people and have fun while the nerd would be sitting home and bitching and whining about people rejecting him .


What does that make me - I am into sci-fi and Linux.... But I also like to go out and have fun - in fact I have quite a reputation for it I tell people I am a Nerd but nobody believes me - god I am even into dungeons and dragons.... (going to catch the violent femmes this weeekend ).

Truth is I strive for a deeper understanding of all things I engage in... I have a short attention span so my works either appear quickly or not at all
 
  03 March 2005
I'm a geek and proud of it. And if anyone thinks I'm less of a person because I'm not "normal"...well they can just take a flying phuck for all I care. lol. I got better things to worry about than what some shallow minded person thinks about me.



On the matter of the question of the thread. During the time I've been here I've seen a good bit of both. And I think it's pretty hard to quantify something like that. Just be, and let it be.
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  03 March 2005
I'm with Tocpe on this one, amen.

I simply can't imagine myself coming home plunging into the sofa instantly reaching for the remote and spending hours and hours in front of something dull like a television set.. computer graphics and technology in general is progressing so rapidly you just have to try keep up, and franctly i'm enjoying it every time i see some interesting new things.

I'm going with the filosophy: "so much to learn, so little time" - if they'd find some way you wouldn't have to spend 1/3rd of yr day sleeping i'd definatly be even more of a happy person. Anyway as a small recapitulation (hell i know expensive words) i don't mind at all what most non-computer-enthousiasts think of 'us' they don't know what they're missing.

just my 10-cents. *wink*
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  03 March 2005
Thumbs down Boo to this

I think the whole idea of being a geek or nerd just because you are able to use a computer is rediculas. Wow,,, I can also use a calculator... Does that mean at some point people who could use calculators were nerds because that was CRAZY TECHNOLOGY at the time? how bout the days of the abicus? man... you push those sphrers... you NERD!!! ahahahahahah. Give me a break. Just because a person can learn what middle click means doesn't mean they're some sort of Nerd, Geek, whatever. Its too bad that the world evolves but perceptions don't.



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  08 August 2003
Well it depends on what position you're talking about. Someone whose working with particles or writing MEL scripts or plug-ins is gonna be different from a modeler or texture artist.

I imagine a lot of CG artists grew up with both computers and drawing. For a lot of people it's a double bonus to combine art and computers.

There aren't a whole lot of pure artists who get into CG, and those who do have to tackle a huge learning curve to grapple with the software. There are however TONS of non-artistic people who try to get into CG and quickly find out their lack of artistic talent is a huge barrier to success.

And Tyrinid, get some geek/nerd pride!
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  08 August 2003
I don't think many people share your definition of geek/nerd, especially not such a specific one. Why does ThinkGeek.com seems to cater just as well to nerds, perhaps even more so to than your definition of geek. They're synonymous to me.
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  08 August 2003
I'm with Wigaru, I don't think your definition holds much merit, nerd/geek can be exchanged freely. Your definition means that many of the "nerds" in Revenge of the Nerds are not actually "nerds", they are clearly "geeks" therefore proving that hollywood is fallible, and destroying the world and all of humanity. Really though, spending so much energy disecting old put- downs and categorizing their particulars in order to hone a well thought out existence is no way to go through life... unless your a "dork".
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  08 August 2003
Everyone knows that Nerds are between 5'2" and 5'9" and Geeks are 5'9" to 6'4". If any of these people have unkempt hair and messy closets they are artists.
 
  04 April 2005
Originally Posted by Max_Power: Everyone knows that Nerds are between 5'2" and 5'9" and Geeks are 5'9" to 6'4". If any of these people have unkempt hair and messy closets they are artists.



Sweeeet! I'm a geeky artist... Also glasses is a huge factor on whether you are a geek or a nerd. Nerds wear them geeks don't.

I love being blatently superficial.
 
  08 August 2003
In order to be a CG artist that's any good, you MUST be both a computer geek and an artist, in fairly equal amounts. That sort of person is a rare and bizarre breed. It's hard to say which comes first-- but I think in most cases, if a CG artist is GOOD... then they're an artist with a geek streak. On the other hand, a programmer that understands the CG programs, and can toy with occasional images with them, is a nerd with a creative side... and that's just how they naturally fall into place.

I think a lot of artists around here would not necessarily consider themselves computer geeks, but they'd be dead wrong-- if you know what a forum is, and can use the darn thing without getting terminally discouraged in 'what's this button do? what's a thread? where am I?' no-man's-land... you're a computer geek. Plain and simple, and fancy shmancy definitions aside. To say nothing about the freeeky and insanely complex programs we use.

Generally speaking, I agree with Wigaru-- there are a LOT of people who are truly just computer geeks that try to dabble in art, and can learn the programs, but can't really do much with it. I think they comprise most of the constant influx of vanishing noobs who come and go all the time. Those aren't nerds with creative sides... they're um.... well, they just don't count.

At siggraph I met a programming wizard who can't draw more than a stick figure to save his life, and yet who had the keenest artistic eye I've ever witnessed. I don't understand enough about programming to even comprehend anything he's done in his field, but I'm positive he must be a heck of an artist within it. Of course, that statement leads us down the 'well what's an artist anyway?' debate hall again, and erilaz sortof made this point once already... but there it is.
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