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Old 09-26-2012, 08:55 PM   #1
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Nitrous Viewport Shadows Question

I'm just now getting around to firing up max 2013. Is it possible to get better nitrous viewport shadows (less jaggy) when using the default lights? I use the default lights to model with normally. See first image below.

If I add a light (in the second image below, a photometric), the best shadow I've been able to get is as you see there. It has a pretty sad little grungy edge to it.

I'm using a 9800 GTX with nitrous.

The "lighting and shadows quality" slider doesn't change much from 1.0 default to 8 or even 16 times.

From the Help file, it seems like it should.

Can someone help explain this?


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Old 09-26-2012, 09:20 PM   #2
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Edit to the above post: I've added two more pics: why does the Nitrous viewport (frist image) look worse than the Direct3d viewport (2nd image)? The aliasing is far worse in the Nitrouse. Shouldn't it be better? Could it be my graphics card?

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Old 09-26-2012, 10:55 PM   #3
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looks like progressive refinement is off, try clicking the cube-like icon on the bar below the viewports. (or in the viewport's configuration menu)
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Old 09-27-2012, 05:56 AM   #4
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there are a few additional tweaks for Nitrous shadows:

* in the ViewportConfiguration->VisualStyle&Appearance tab there is the "Lighting & Shadow Quality" slider. You can play arround with it. It has -besides the rightmost high quality position - a softshadow setting (2. position), which makes jagged shadows look better in some situation

* when you are on Max 2013, there is an additional hidden nitrous setting to deal with shadow map sizes. It's accessable via maxscript only

Code:
nitrousgraphicsmanager.ShadowmapSizeLimit


it defaults to 512, you can set it to a higher value to test wether it helps in your situation or not. (Depends on the Shadow type you have set on your lights)

Or - the more convenient way to tweak all this and a lot more regarding Viewport would be using my PowerPreview script. The next version - which will be released sometime in the next 2~3 weeks has an shadowmap resolution spinner added ( Max 2013 only) too..
http://www.scriptspot.com/3ds-max/s...itrous-previews
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Old 09-28-2012, 03:20 PM   #5
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Thanks Jonathan and Space,

Jonathan, I didn't have progressive enabled and that makes a difference. On a better graphics card, would I see a more instantaneous progression? On my 9800 gtx, it's pretty slow.

Space, I'm going to give your script a try. Looks awesome from the website.

If I were to try and change the shadow size via the
nitrousgraphicsmanager.ShadowmapSizeLimit script, how would I do that? I'm woefully ignorant about stuff like this. When I put that text in the Listener and evalutate it, nothing happens.
Thanks again for the help.
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Old 09-28-2012, 04:35 PM   #6
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this should tell you at least tell you the current setting, which should be 512
Code:
nitrousgraphicsmanager.ShadowmapSizeLimit


and if you want to change it, you simply do it by assigning a new value

Code:
nitrousgraphicsmanager.ShadowmapSizeLimit=1024


But honestly, i'm not even sure if that helps with the default light sources, but it helps for the lights you place in the scene and which use shadow mapped lights.

I just have seen your GFX card spec, 9800GTX and to be honest:
you will not become lucky with it when using nitrous. AFAIK the 9800GTX has maximal 512MB of gfx card memory, which is the lowest limit for Nitrous to even work. i would consider spending a couple of hundred bucks for a new GFX card with at least 2GB on board mem ( nvdia 670 or 660Ti ), if i were in your situtation...
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Old 09-28-2012, 06:15 PM   #7
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Thanks very much. I think it is, indeed, time for a new graphics card. I've been putting it off.

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