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Old 06 June 2010   #1
Gnomon School of Visual Effects Unveils Gnomon Studios



Studio to Offer Hands-on Digital Entertainment Production Training for Gnomon Students, First Project Is Academy-Award Nominee Shane Acker’s New Short, “Plus Minus”

LOS ANGELES--22-06-2010
--Gnomon School of Visual Effects, the industry leader in professional training for artists in the entertainment and design field, today revealed that it has established Gnomon Studios, where advanced Gnomon students prepare for professional careers by working on short films in a studio environment under the guidance and mentorship of production professionals. Gnomon Studios is currently working on Academy Award-nominated Director Shane Acker’s new short film, “Plus Minus.”

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Old 06 June 2010   #2
"Short films, such as Acker’s “Plus Minus,” will be the core production focus of Gnomon Studios. Alvarez also expects Gnomon Studios to contribute to the occasional feature project when opportunities arise, as was the case with the facility’s recent contributions to the 2011 film “Green Lantern” and the popular TV series, “Fringe.”"

Please tell me that the students working on these commercial projects are getting paid or are at least getting a rebate on some of their massive tuition. Otherwise Gnomon has just about the best racket around, employees that pay to do work. I'm sure Gnomon didn't do Green Lantern and Fringe pro-bono.
 
Old 06 June 2010   #3
Originally Posted by DimeS: Please tell me that the students working on these commercial projects are getting paid or are at least getting a rebate on some of their massive tuition. Otherwise Gnomon has just about the best racket around, employees that pay to do work. I'm sure Gnomon didn't do Green Lantern and Fringe pro-bono.


Initially my response was the same as this but I think it all depends how it's handled. After all, doing production work is the best experience money can buy, it usually cannot be bought.

At the end of the day if the Students are supervised through their role entirely by professional staff (as one would expect is the case here) then Gnomon is absorbing all the risk and cost associated with having students do the work.

I teach students at a tertiary and they aren't reliable and need to be helped through. During holidays when making shorts or if we need extra hands for funded productions I offer some of them work. I usually try to get the production to buy them lunch or something but basically it's a case of Work for Training. And to be honest, I feel they get the better deal most of the time. It takes most of them (comparatively) so long to get through the work and if you give them the utterly boring stuff most of them don't do it, instead going back to self-taught principles which are so pervasive in the industry. If it was up to me I'd pay them something more for their time ... although then I'd take less of them and demand more.

But I understand the sentiment.

Sometimes I wonder at the state of modern training. I guess I feel like VFX/CG is better suited to a classic apprenticeship model. Although the 'Atelier' model is also fitting ... which is what this is I guess?
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Old 06 June 2010   #4
I'm sure I've read that there are laws regarding schools undertaking in private enterprise? Although google is failing me at the moment, so I can't find anything specific to refer to and I'm not clued up enough about competition law to know off-hand.
 
Old 06 June 2010   #5
To intern at a company usually doesn't pay in £€$, nowadays it's often even part of an scholastically curriculum to absolve an internship in a production environment, at least here in Germany. I would not say that Gnomon does anything wrong with that, even if their students doesn't get paid for, I think it's a privileg for Gnomon's students to work on professionell projects and that's groovy, imo.
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Old 06 June 2010   #6
I think what Gnomon is doing is a good thing for the students, but I also believe in the adage "an honest day's work for an honest day's pay". Other distributors and studios would be making money off the short films and feature projects the students work on, so it is logical the student should be paid for their time and effort.

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Old 06 June 2010   #7
Originally Posted by meleseDESIGN: To intern at a company usually doesn't pay in £€$, nowadays it's often even part of an scholastically curriculum to absolve an internship in a production environment, at least here in Germany. I would not say that Gnomon does anything wrong with that, even if their students doesn't get paid for, I think it's a privileg for Gnomon's students to work on professionell projects and that's groovy, imo.


It is true that internships are important, and sometimes even required, but I don't agree with the premise that all internships are non-paid. I firmly believe that if a company has an intern working on a paying job, that intern should be paid something. Even if it is minimum wage, or $10 an hour. Of course they aren't as quick or efficient as an artist you would hire, but that's why they don't make $25+ an hour... just $10 or so.

If Gnomon is actually having these students to pay for the right to work on VFX for Fringe I think that is criminal.
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Old 06 June 2010   #8
I didn't say all are non-paid, but it's actually not the standard as far as I know (maybe bonus that nobody needs to know). Just imagine running a studio and dealing with 5 interns each $10 per hour, you probably would need to hire a new secretary as well.
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Old 06 June 2010   #9
interships are usually non pay but if its a 3 month internship the studio should at least pay minimum wage or at the very least cover the public transit monthly pass. Students are broke as it is usually and have a debt big enough to buy a new mercedez with. That said, everyone pays their dues to get in. Its not an easy industry and if people cared about getting minimum wage more than working as an artist, they should've taken up something like accounting.
 
Old 06 June 2010   #10
Working For Nothin’ And Getting The VFX For Free

Gnomon School of Visual Effects recently announced that they are starting a division called Gnomon Studios. Students will get to work on feature films in the hopes that the experience will give them a competitive edge in finding a job.

It sounds like a noble idea at first, but then you hear stories about the students like this:

… I talked to the intern who works here. He is no longer a student and did work on X for about 10 weeks. He said the students didn’t like it because they had to PAY to work on the show.

I told him that there might be a case for them to get paid but he was hesitant because he doesn’t want to burn bridges. He said it would be awesome to get paid for the work he did. He thinks it would be alot of money. …



Continue reading article for more at http://vfxsoldier.wordpress.com/201...e-vfx-for-free/

This kind of thing is very troubling to me and a lot of other people I know. There has been the problem of people working for cheap or free to grab experience...but now they got students PAYING to work on projects that they themselves should be getting paid for. This is just a whole 'nother level of WTF?!

This type of thing not only hurts the students who are paying to work on a project...but the artists/studios who are displaced by the free labor.
 
Old 06 June 2010   #11
Not sure how I feel about this. Part of me says yeah, they're taking advantage of naive students. The other part says, it is a great learning experience for them. Also, there is a big difference between the work a professional can do, and the work a student does. Not paying students is not the same as not paying a professional who has been in the industry for years.


Kinda reminds me of the college athlete debate. College football/basketball brings in tens of MILLIONS of dollars for the school and coach staff. Yet the student athletes, who are largely responsible for all that income, are not paid a single penny.
 
Old 06 June 2010   #12
Originally Posted by th3ta: Kinda reminds me of the college athlete debate. College football/basketball brings in tens of MILLIONS of dollars for the school and coach staff. Yet the student athletes, who are largely responsible for all that income, are not paid a single penny.


I may be wrong about this so please correct me if that's the case, but aren't those hotshot sports star students usually on fully paid scholarships? In which case, they're getting an education in exchange for their participation in sport.

Personally, if I was a student at Gnomon, I wouldn't take part in this. I find the idea of paying exorbitant fees to go to a school and then working on a commercial project rather disturbing myself. I have no issue with short term internships for students, but I wouldn't consider this an internship at all because interns don't pay the studio to get that experience.
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Old 06 June 2010   #13
Originally Posted by leigh: I may be wrong about this so please correct me if that's the case, but aren't those hotshot sports star students usually on fully paid scholarships? In which case, they're getting an education in exchange for their participation in sport.


It's true that they are most likely on a fully paid sports scholarship, but I think the main point of the debate is that the value of that scholarship pales in comparison to all the millions that they bring in. Head football coaches for the big schools can make over a million a year. Granted, that's with like a 300k base salary, plus TV/radio deals which brings the total up a lot. I'm not sure if the students can make the same TV/radio deals or not and get paid for that. But either way, the value of the star athlete's 4 year scholarship isn't equal to the revenue they bring in.

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Old 06 June 2010   #14
Yeah th3ta, but isn't that a fact of life in the professional arena too? ;-) I mean, unless you're a top corporate dog, you're always going to be working for someone who is making loads of money off you.
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Old 06 June 2010   #15
They are being taken advantage of, but you also get what you pay for. Student work is always going to be of a lower quality.

Ask your same friend in ten years if he thinks the work he is doing now is worth "alot of money". If he has wised up and improved his skill by then he will certainly see it was not.
Did these students wake up one day, mid way through this course and realize where they were and what they were doing wasn't getting them paid? I am positive they knew this info going in.
 
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