Frayed Wallpaper Peeling Using nCloth, help

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Old 03 March 2013   #16
Is there a difference in the end result if you use a tearable constraint vs. the weld adjacent borders? I've definitely ran into problems with the tearable constraint ( my most recent troubles http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthr...?f=86&t=1098885 ) and am wondering if I should just try switching my methodology. Great thread btw, thanks for all the info.
 
Old 03 March 2013   #17
Im still having no luck with weld, reducing max distance reduces the constraint to not enough points to tear anything, and when there is enough it just distorts, its probably because im still painting verts which can't be a good method. Still trying to figure out this workflow.
pfunk, that test looked amazing, the colorAtPoint script sounds very interesting. I read you used a fractal to define where the tears occured, to do this would you have to make the entire mesh part of the constraint and use the fractal as a glue strength map. Is this the correct workflow?
Because i want my mesh to tear in so many places to select each vert on something so high res would take ages.
 
Old 03 March 2013   #18
Originally I used a fractal in the nComponent for the tearable constraint, but since that requires the whole mesh to be a part of the constraint, I changed to my approach of creating a quick select set of the verts above a defined white value in a texture and adjusting the glue strength on the constraint. Here's what I was doing >>


string $obj = "pSphere1"; // obj to be ripped
string $tex = "file1"; // file texture where you want rips
string $cpm = "CPM_tear"; // need to create a closestPointOnMesh or
// nearestPointOnMesh and connect mesh to it

int $numVerts[] = `polyEvaluate -v $obj`;

float $threshold = .7; // define white value threshold
string $tearVtx[];
clear $tearVtx;

for ($v = 0; $v < $numVerts[0]; $v++) {
string $vtx = ($obj + ".vtx[" + $v + "]");
float $pos[] = `pointPosition -w $vtx`;
setAttr ($cpm + ".inPositionX") $pos[0];
setAttr ($cpm + ".inPositionY") $pos[1];
setAttr ($cpm + ".inPositionZ") $pos[2];

float $u = `getAttr ($cpm + ".parameterU")`;
float $v = `getAttr ($cpm + ".parameterV")`;

float $color[] = `colorAtPoint -o RGB -u $u -v $v $tex`;
if ($color[0] < $threshold) {
$tearVtx[(`size $tearVtx`)] = $vtx;
}

}

print ("NUM VTX = " + $numVerts[0] + "\n");
print ("TEARABLE VTX = " + (`size $tearVtx`) + "\n");

sets -name "tearableVtx" -text "tearableVtx" $tearVtx;

Hope it helps!
 
Old 03 March 2013   #19
Wow pfunk, what a handy piece of code. Been trying to get it to work, having some problems though. Just to check i've got this right; im running: createNode closestPointOnMesh -n CPM_tear;
Then in the connection editor im hooking up nCloth outMesh to closestPointOnMesh input mesh. I then get this error(and whenever selecting plane): menuItem: Object 'goToConnectedMenuItem' not found.
Not sure if this is the reason?
Then upon running the code everything executes fine but the vert selection is kind of messed up like the closestPointOnMesh node isn't running correctly, sometimes it selects all or none of the verts despite there being a ramp etc then sometimes i get things similar to this: Untitled-1.jpg
Any ideas, am i missing something? Nearly got it all working, getting this working would be a massive help though, especially to sim times. Thanks
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Old 03 March 2013   #20
Close, just connect the nCloth outMesh.worldMesh to closestPointOnMesh.inMesh. If there are still problems you can always just try switching to the nearestPointOnMesh node instead and see if that makes a difference. Hope it works!
 
Old 03 March 2013   #21
Perhaps instead of the closest point on mesh node it might be better to directly get the uvs for the verts. It can be complicated as a vertex may have different uvs for different faces. However the following will get the first uvs for each vertex:
string $obj = "pSphere1";
int $numVerts[] = `polyEvaluate -v $obj`;
for ($v = 0; $v < $numVerts[0]; $v++) {
string $vtx = ($obj + ".vtx[" + $v + "]");
string $comp[] = `polyListComponentConversion -fv -tuv $vtx`;
float $uv[] = `polyEditUV -q $comp[0]`;
print ("UV = "+$uv[0]+" "+$uv[1]+"\n");
}
Here is a little more on this:
http://ewertb.soundlinker.com/mel/mel.072.php

Also... something that I suppose could be useful for this sort of thing... one could write a script that selects points or edges based on a texture. One could then use this selection when creating a tearable constraint. Note that edge selections are a bit better for tearable constraints as points will essentially tear all connecting edges. To do an edge texture selection script one might only select an edge if both vertices for the edge are over the texture threshold.

Last edited by Duncan : 03 March 2013 at 05:43 PM.
 
Old 03 March 2013   #22
Wow, interesting. Works great and seems to be faster than plugging things through the closestPointOnMesh node. Thanks Duncan!

Also if you are concentrating the tears in a certain area ( currently I'm ripping only the front of a mesh ) you can limit either of these scripts to just using the selected verts and make it run a lot faster. It can get pretty slow with high res meshes so if you can lower the number of verts running through the script definitely try and do it.
 
Old 03 March 2013   #23
maybe i throw in some technic that i use to simplifie some things..

i got good results importing b/w textures on paint selection and
create selection sets out of this to tear and shatter...

EDIT:

ohh and Mister Duncan, can you lighten up my mind and get in some detail to my
post from side 1 ?
 
Old 03 March 2013   #24
Quote: Close, just connect the nCloth outMesh.worldMesh to closestPointOnMesh.inMesh.

Sorry bit of confusion here on my part, by this do you mean:
connectAttr outputCloth1.worldMesh CPM_tear.inMesh; ?

Quote: Perhaps instead of the closest point on mesh node it might be better to directly get the uvs for the verts..

How would you work this into selecting verts based on texture without going through the closestPointOnMesh node? I had a quick go merging the two scripts, am i along the right lines in thinking that you would still need the colorAtPoint node to query the colour at each vert then, like pfunks, based on threshold, pop them into a set? Its just working it into obtaining the uvs for each vert - will keep trying.

So much information in this thread, wish i knew enough to get it all wholly.
 
Old 03 March 2013   #25
yup still need colorAtPoint, just use the UV values derived from the script that duncan posted.

string $obj = "GEOM_head";
string $tex = "tearableStrength";
float $threshold = .7;
string $tearVtx[];

int $numVert[] = `polyEvaluate -v $obj`;

for ($v = 0; $v < $numVert[0]; $v++) {
string $vtx = ($obj + ".vtx[" + $v + "]");
string $comp[] = `polyListComponentConversion -fv -tuv $vtx`;
float $uv[] = `polyEditUV -q $comp[0]`;
float $color[] = `colorAtPoint -o RGB -u $uv[0] -v $uv[1] $tex`;
if ($color[0] < $threshold) {
$tearVtx[`size $tearVtx`] = $vtx;
}
}

sets -name "tearableVtx" -text "tearableVtx" $tearVtx;
}
 
Old 03 March 2013   #26
Cheers pfunk, managed to get it working last night (slight proud moment hehe).
Gonna try and do as Duncan says and get it working so that it will select the edge in between if both verts are under the threshold.
Out of curiosity, what kind of resolution geometry should i be aiming for? Its still looking sort of chunky on some edges, yours looks really 'stringy' and smooth around its edges, did you use a lot of stretch? Wondering if i can use a texture to fray edges more?
 
Old 03 March 2013   #27
Originally Posted by flares: ...Wondering if i can use a texture to fray edges more?


This technique might help you (see attached scene).

1.Create a toon line node for the output nCloth mesh(after applying the tearable surface constraint).
2.On the toon line node turn off profile and crease lines, so there are only border lines. Also set border break angle to zero and turn on resampleBorder.
3. Map line width such that it is zero on borders edges you wish to be clean and noisy where you want jagged edges.
4. Assign a default pfx brush to the toon line and set flatness1 to 1.0 on the brush.
5. Convert the toon line to poly (pfx to poly) and assign the same shader you are using for the cloth.
6. Go to a frame where the cloth is ripped. On the toon node adjust line Width. Lower maxSegmentLength for finer tessellation. With a noisy map and fine tessellation you can get thread like roughness, while with a smoother map you can get something more like torn paper.

One can also assign pfx brushes with tubes to the toon line for 3d frayed threads.
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Old 03 March 2013   #28
GREAT idea! I used toon lines to emit particles on tearing stuff but never thought to add detail to the edge with it.
 
Old 03 March 2013   #29
This is brill, thanks a bunch Duncan!
 
Old 03 March 2013   #30
Just wanted to add my appreciation, Duncan, and to everyone contributing to this thread.

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