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Old 09 September 2005   #1
A:M section of CGTalk shutting down.

This little corner of the Internet will be shutting down. CGTalk will obviously still be here but the Hash Animation:Master section will be closing its doors.

Trying to promote CGTalk amongst the Animation Master community has proven to be rather futile without the support of Hash Inc. Martin Hash himself would rather we went away and. . . to be honest I'm just too tired of trying to convince him, and his inner group that we aren't all out to "get him/them".

On a personal note. . . I love Animation Master and have a fondness for CGTalk. I did my best to try and find a way to help the two groups work together but have been stunned by hostile, ignorant attitudes and lack of support. Instead of seeing this area as a showcase to the rest of the CG community. . . they stick to themselves. . . and take delight in its demise. I just don't get it. Never will.

Thanks for the fun times. . .
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Old 09 September 2005   #2
What are the specific reasons for this closure? Too little traffic or pressure from another quarter.
I too love A:M, but always thought it healthy to have another forum not under the supervision of Hash. Plus, any good work posted here would help promote the program to a larger audience, as well as encourage Hashers out of their small pond.

Tis a shame
 
Old 09 September 2005   #3
Ah, crap. I hate to read this, but I'm not terribly surprised either.

Thanks for all the hard work, Wegg.
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Old 09 September 2005   #4
I'm sorry to hear this. Thanks for the effort, Wegg.
 
Old 09 September 2005   #5
Originally Posted by Wegg: Trying to promote CGTalk amongst the Animation Master community has proven to be rather futile without the support of Hash Inc. Martin Hash himself would rather we went away and. . . to be honest I'm just too tired of trying to convince him, and his inner group that we aren't all out to "get him/them".


That you decided to frame this announcement solely in terms of "it's Martin's fault" when there are many other reasons the forum might not be a success reather reveals why they might be doubtful about putting any resources into promoting it.

If you're tired perhaps you could pass the moderation task to someone who is more likely to gain their confidence.
 
Old 09 September 2005   #6
Thanks. Great help. Never thought of that. David was of course under my control this whole time and isn't an avid loyal A:M user who didn't write the book on Animation Master. . . Nope.
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Old 09 September 2005   #7
A pity

As this forum here allows free speech its clear that Martin doesn`t like it, because every critic, that canot be posted at the Hashforum is for sure landing here.
But maybe , if you continue a little longer , may be the Hashpeople will get selfconfident enough ( with their product AM improving and taking a very good develpoment lately ) that they feel strong enough one day to live with this forum-section and its possible critic.

I think its a great pity to loose this forum-section, though I have to admit I personally took more advantage out of the Hashforum, so I second the suggestion to ask somebody else to continue this.

Anyway thank you very much for your work.

;>) Jake
 
Old 09 September 2005   #8
Originally Posted by robcat2075: That you decided to frame this announcement solely in terms of "it's Martin's fault" when there are many other reasons the forum might not be a success reather reveals why they might be doubtful about putting any resources into promoting it.

If you're tired perhaps you could pass the moderation task to someone who is more likely to gain their confidence.


Actually, that IS the sole reason why this forum is closing, and I am sure that Martin Hash himself would be more than happy to agree with this. Wegg has tried very hard to get this forum running, and it is not his fault that it has ended up this way.
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Old 09 September 2005   #9
Can we get a straight answer, have the CgTalk powers told you this forum is no longer viable because not enough people use it? Or have you taken this decision upon yourself because Hash won't give the forum their official sanction and therefore the resources needed to make it more popular?

Oh, I have my answer from Leigh above. I can think of quieter places elsewhere on this forum though.

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Old 09 September 2005   #10
I don't quite understand how anyone who has been involved with animation master for any length of time would doubt Wegg's account. You know what Martin is like and how iron handed that he and the Hash guys can be on the official list.

Saying that it is great to see the focus they have now on the official Hash list. The big TWO project looks better and better everyday and it seems like the big shakeup a few years back that caused this section of CGTalk to form in the first place has paid off in the end. Martin is much more involved and vocal and the energy on the forum is very high. Though animation master users do still seem a bit more "culty" then most other software... I say that as a former member of the cult.

Shame to see this end but it was great of you to take it on Wegg and David. Hopefully this means you will be even more vocal over in the messiah section Billy!
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Old 09 September 2005   #11
Hmm, interesting to see that Hash customer support has not changed much. My #1 reason for being an ex-AM user (since 5 years)

Anyway I went the route of Cararra Studio 3 - great community over at yahoo groups by the way. As well as on www.3dxtract.com Friendly. Communicative users and even company officials.

Then jumped on the XSI Foundation price reduction last year. I think maybe it's time for Hash to delete the sentence saying that AM "rivals high-end software costing thousands more". Hundreds - yes. But not thousands anymore

And even "rivals" is questionable - but of course a matter of preferences also.


Cheers,
Rune
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Old 09 September 2005   #12
Wow, can't believe they (Hash) know there's such place (CGTalk).

I thought they never surf the web much. Because of the way how 'COOL' their website looks hehehehe. Seriously Martin, at least get a better templated website.

But I'm here to thank everyone who did their best to support this forum. I'll miss the thread wars / flames and all. It was fun

I guess I'll see ya all around.

Hats off to you Wegg.
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Old 09 September 2005   #13
What a shame Wegg. As a admin of Swiftdev.com (where anything goes) it did take me a little while to understand the Hash forum and its censorship... but I have recently only got into A:M so don't know the full reasoning behind it...

Wouldn't the support of Hash users on this forum keep it going rather than the need from Hash themselves. Swiftdev has grown to 6800+ members in just over 2 years... we had a strong user community first and then Erain's support has followed.
 
Old 09 September 2005   #14
Darn

This little forum was the reason I signed up for CGTALK...sad to see it go away. I specifically enjoyed the discussions on how to get AM to play with other software...not something encouraged on the HASH forum... :(

Ah well...WEGG...thanks for all the fish
 
Old 09 September 2005   #15
Originally Posted by runejw: Hmm, interesting to see that Hash customer support has not changed much. My #1 reason for being an ex-AM user (since 5 years)

Anyway I went the route of Cararra Studio 3 - great community over at yahoo groups by the way. As well as on www.3dxtract.com Friendly. Communicative users and even company officials.

Then jumped on the XSI Foundation price reduction last year. I think maybe it's time for Hash to delete the sentence saying that AM "rivals high-end software costing thousands more". Hundreds - yes. But not thousands anymore

And even "rivals" is questionable - but of course a matter of preferences also.


Cheers,
Rune



Yep me too allthough I only had it a year and a half then I swapped to a high end program although AM does have it's good points I just got tired of closed mindness of the way they operate. I am still currently using it for the odd bit of freelance work but once I've finished my training course and can afford to buy the commercial version of the other program it will be left behind for good. I'm afraid I now know why high end software costs thousands more (ie every other piece of software on my computer from Pro Tools LE to Photoshop runs fine so it's not my computer !!!).

It's a pity this forum is closing down and I thank the mods for time they put into it if only Hash could see that.
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