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Old 05 May 2013   #1
Post Orange Juice Liquid material HELP

i'm designing an orange liquid material with vray material rendering and i'm not getting the desired result i want the orange liquid juice to be shiny, considering that i have a white background for this commercial

i've been searching over the internet and i've tried the VraySSS because the orange liquid has the subsurface scattering

could anyone provide me with the right settings to put ine the vray material settings?


thank you
 
Old 05 May 2013   #2
There is no such thing as 'right settings', each material needs to be set up for the scene it's used in.

You could start with this one

http://www.vray-materials.de/all_materials.php?mat=339

adjust it to your needs and if not satisfied ask for tips while providing rendered results.
 
Old 05 May 2013   #3
Orange juice already

Originally Posted by scrimski: There is no such thing as 'right settings', each material needs to be set up for the scene it's used in.

You could start with this one

http://www.vray-materials.de/all_materials.php?mat=339

adjust it to your needs and if not satisfied ask for tips while providing rendered results.


already tested it but this is not the desired result, i want it to be more saturated and shiny like this Orange Juice1

and this Orange Juice 2

please tell me what to do thanks
 
Old 05 May 2013   #4
Don't forget you can do A LOT in the composite to dial in the look you're after. If you're getting some nice SSS from the render, just take it into the comp and tweak away at it. Render out multiple passes and play around in the comp to get it looking right. You can even render out different passes like a fresnel falloff matte and color correct using that, etc...

Don't try to get it perfect in the 3D render.
 
Old 05 May 2013   #5
Originally Posted by Lagavulin16: Don't forget you can do A LOT in the composite to dial in the look you're after. If you're getting some nice SSS from the render, just take it into the comp and tweak away at it. Render out multiple passes and play around in the comp to get it looking right. You can even render out different passes like a fresnel falloff matte and color correct using that, etc...

Don't try to get it perfect in the 3D render.

Yeah sure, thank you dude

but do you know or do you have any material of orange liquid done with VraySSS or any settings to put, just to apply it and render my animation??

thanks
 
Old 05 May 2013   #6
Subsurface materials are very complex and require a certain light set up to work properly, there is very rarely a drag and drop approach for complex materials they always need tweaking and they rely on your scene being in the correct gamma and with the correct amount of light coming through, and you'll need something to reflect into it and have the right render settings.
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Old 05 May 2013   #7
I don't think sss would be the appropriate approach. I would approach it using a vraymtl, but giving special attention to refraction glossiness, fog color & fog multiplier and perhaps translucency. As I understand it, sss effects were achieved with these parameters before fastsss was available. This way you're not approximating anything (like fastsss does), so you'll get really nice reflections and a more realistic colored fluid effect. It might take longer to render, but the difference should be night and day.
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Old 05 May 2013   #8
Originally Posted by Oliveros: Yeah sure, thank you dude

but do you know or do you have any material of orange liquid done with VraySSS or any settings to put, just to apply it and render my animation??

thanks



Yeah, here's the answer.

prepass rate 1.85
prepass id 0
scale 38.87
IOR 1.66
scatter radius 8.52
phase function .43
scatter gi...on
prepass blur 6.23
cutoff threshold .39


There ya go.
 
Old 05 May 2013   #9
Originally Posted by Lagavulin16: Yeah, here's the answer.

prepass rate 1.85
prepass id 0
scale 38.87
IOR 1.66
scatter radius 8.52
phase function .43
scatter gi...on
prepass blur 6.23
cutoff threshold .39


There ya go.


Wow. All this time I've been using 0.34, not 0.43 for my phase function. I just tried it your way and... well, let's just say, the beer is on me next time you're in London. My orange juice sims will never be the same again!
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Old 05 May 2013   #10
Originally Posted by Charkins: I don't think sss would be the appropriate approach. I would approach it using a vraymtl, but giving special attention to refraction glossiness, fog color & fog multiplier and perhaps translucency.


Agreed. This is the way to go. In particular, play around with the fog colour/multiplier/bias. The results can be pretty impressive. If the multiplier/bias are tweaked just right I'm confident you'll get the results you're after.
 
Old 05 May 2013   #11
Here's a really quick and dirty test w/o SSS, just refraction glossiness, and fog and translucency. I think it works pretty well for this. Bias is a big one for sure, seems to have the most drastic effect.

Just have to play around with the values like everyone else said. There's no magic solution for every scene.
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Old 06 June 2013   #12
Amazing Man

Originally Posted by Lagavulin16: Here's a really quick and dirty test w/o SSS, just refraction glossiness, and fog and translucency. I think it works pretty well for this. Bias is a big one for sure, seems to have the most drastic effect.

Just have to play around with the values like everyone else said. There's no magic solution for every scene.

this is amazing man, please can you send me the settings of the fog multiplier and the bias and the others please ?? thank you
 
Old 06 June 2013   #13
Originally Posted by Oliveros: this is amazing man, please can you send me the settings of the fog multiplier and the bias and the others please ?? thank you


Just play around with the settings yourself. That way you'll learn how they affect the shader; rather than just typing in someone else's settings and learning nothing.
 
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