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Old 05 May 2013   #1
The end of uncanny valley

at least for monkeys :

https://vimeo.com/groups/ice/videos/66529631


Spot: http://www.themill.com/work/peta-98-human.aspx
 
Old 05 May 2013   #2
Its awesome for sure, but still looks uncanny to me.
 
Old 05 May 2013   #3
That's really awesome work and the more distant shots would probably have fooled me, but up close there's something just ever so slightly "off" bout the way the mouth and lip muscles are moving. Pretty incredible work though!
 
Old 05 May 2013   #4
It's a monkey. Uncanny Valley does not apply nearly as much.
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Old 05 May 2013   #5
If that footage was plonked into a movie or documentary, I would have taken for granted that it was real.
I wonder if sometimes we only spot it isn't real when we are told first? Like the way we see a magician do a trick and we haven't a clue how he did it until someone tells us how it was done. Then it's all "ah sure I knew that all along".
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Old 05 May 2013   #6
We're also hyper sensitive to it. Most audiences can't really see what we see. Its like an editor who can see a single bad frame that someone who doesn't edit would not.
 
Old 05 May 2013   #7
It's not bad, but monkeys were really good in Rise of the Planet of the Apes
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Old 05 May 2013   #8
Originally Posted by Dillster: If that footage was plonked into a movie or documentary, I would have taken for granted that it was real.
I wonder if sometimes we only spot it isn't real when we are told first? Like the way we see a magician do a trick and we haven't a clue how he did it until someone tells us how it was done. Then it's all "ah sure I knew that all along".


i think that you have a good point here, except i always get kinda mad when they often animate these type of complex rigs with such a slowmotion feel. if you look at a real ape he will have subtle twitches in his movement and not just wave his head around like its stuck to a frikkin curve :/
 
Old 05 May 2013   #9
Originally Posted by addeleijon: i think that you have a good point here, except i always get kinda mad when they often animate these type of complex rigs with such a slowmotion feel. if you look at a real ape he will have subtle twitches in his movement and not just wave his head around like its stuck to a frikkin curve :/


I was thinking the same thing in that first scene. But seriously, this stuff is awesome. Totally armchairing this, because lordy knowns I can't make a Monkey

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Old 05 May 2013   #10
Originally Posted by Dillster: If that footage was plonked into a movie or documentary, I would have taken for granted that it was real. I wonder if sometimes we only spot it isn't real when we are told first?


It seems like the most straight-forward test of this would be to have a "Pepsi Challenge" side-by-side comparison (either with 2 subjects in a single environment, or two videos with matching environments) where the viewer has to guess which is live-action and which is CGI.

I found the wide shot with the CRT-esque filter (about 5 seconds in) entirely convincing, but I agree with most of the comments that there was something "off" about the pristine closeups. Still though, it's hard to be sure how much that impression is biased by already knowing the subject isn't real.
 
Old 05 May 2013   #11
Originally Posted by pipdixel: I was thinking the same thing in that first scene. But seriously, this stuff is awesome. Totally armchairing this, because lordy knowns I can't make a Monkey


Amen to that
 
Old 05 May 2013   #12
Very impressive. The bit that impressed me most was the animation of the fingers when interacting with the gun, fingers are a PITA to animate at the best of times, especially with interaction with a prop.

Cheers,
Brian
 
Old 05 May 2013   #13
What if i would have posted the link to the spot only?
 
Old 05 May 2013   #14
Great work - scary how much effort has to go into these things. It looked 'cg' - definitely, but like somebody else said..in a different context (like a documentary) I might not have noticed. The lips did seem too pliable and the rendering wasn't quite right - but wow, great work.

-Greg
 
Old 05 May 2013   #15
Wasn't the uncanny valley first 'detected' in chimps?

This could be test 2.0!

Great work of course.
I liked the quote;
"you do not need to use live primates as actors"

Hollywood knows!
 
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