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Old 03-18-2013, 02:49 PM   #1
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Rhythm & Hues headhunting in Taiwan, offers 200 job openings

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"TAIPEI, Taiwan -- The U.S.-based company behind the stunning visual effects in Ang Lee's Oscar wining movie “Life of Pi” is offering 200 job openings in Taiwan, an executive said yesterday. "



"Rhythm & Hues (R&H) is looking for special effects engineers, 3D animation artists and creative personnel to join its workshop in Kaohsiung, Southern Taiwan, the executive was cited as saying by the Central News Agency.

R&H, which has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in the United States, set up the Kaohsiung operation in 2011. The U.S.-based firm was among 65 companies running booths at a job fair at National Chung Hsing University (NCHU) in Taichung."

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/...330/Life-of.htm
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:19 PM   #2
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"TAIPEI, Taiwan -- The U.S.-based company behind the stunning visual effects in Ang Lee's Oscar wining movie “Life of Pi” "



I do find it ironic, and disingenuous, especially given the current movement, that a single studio gets the lauds of being the "company behind..." when there were also other numerous houses involved.
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Old 03-18-2013, 08:51 PM   #3
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"TAIPEI, Taiwan -- The U.S.-based company behind the stunning visual effects in Ang Lee's Oscar wining movie “Life of Pi” is offering 200 job openings in Taiwan, an executive said yesterday. "



"Rhythm & Hues (R&H) is looking for special effects engineers, 3D animation artists and creative personnel to join its workshop in Kaohsiung, Southern Taiwan, the executive was cited as saying by the Central News Agency.

R&H, which has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in the United States, set up the Kaohsiung operation in 2011. The U.S.-based firm was among 65 companies running booths at a job fair at National Chung Hsing University (NCHU) in Taichung."

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/...330/Life-of.htm


How does a company that filed Ch.11 and couldn't make payroll look for more employees?
 
Old 03-18-2013, 11:22 PM   #4
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"An executive" and "a student surnamed Wang". Sounds totally legit.

How about looking for a properly verifiable source before posting this?
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Having a table at a recruiting event is very different from "headhunting" 200 employees.

Accepting peoples resumes doesn't mean anyone is actually being hired at this point either. When you consider a purchase of the studio is less than a month away though, they are going to have to be prepared to get the Taiwan facility bringing in more trainees likely pretty fast after the purchasing is sorted out to make that facility of any use in the near future. That studio is a long ways away from production work still. The article is misleading and there isn't much of anything to worry about or fear from it yet. It's as much as possible, "business as usual" although actual signed hired contracts won't likely happen until after purchase is complete. They still have to get the name out there, make sure young talent is aware of them and interested in working there.

Again as has been said many times before too, the R&H international studios are not bankrupt. R&H in El Segundo is bankrupt. Their fate will affect all the other studios, but financially the situations are very different for those international locations, Particularly KL and Taiwan which have government involvement. For people unpaid, they were reimbursed with the exception of a small group who were let go and had worked on the shows that were pulled from R&H. The only other claim of loss income anyone has outside of that small group, is all the PTO that employees had, which honestly is also a big factor in the reason why R&H went bankrupt. Please read the previous discussions before getting up in arms over every badly worded and poorly researched article that is posted.


@Joviex, I agree I hate when companies are referred to as being the company behind the FX for _." Seen it for companies with very small contributions on films which drives me even more batty. R&H was the prime studio for the movie producing the Vast majority, with MPC being the next largest doing the two Major storm sequences, and each studio after that were typically for specific smaller sequences like the Comic book montage and opening credits etc. That said, like you I hate that in such a collaborative environment we still generalize things so much like that. Reminds me of when PrimeFocus was looking at buying DD and several articles referred to them as "Avatar effects house" and such. To the general public they aren't going to assume that this means they did a notable chunk, but that they did the film.
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Old 03-19-2013, 03:50 AM   #6
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Point made Leigh,

Here are 2 secondary sources from Taiwan describing the same event:
Job fair in Kaohsiung attracts about 10,000 applicants
"Another job fair was held in Taichung with 65 companies offering more than 6,000 job openings. Among the employers, Rhythm & Hues Studios Inc.(R&H), which participated in the Oscar-winning 3-D movie "Life of Pi," sought 200 newcomers in the event. (By Wang Shu-fen and Frances Huang)"





http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/ne....php?id=2159941

Nation’s job fairs offer thousands of new positions

"....a job fair was also held in Taichung with 65 companies offering more than 6,000 job openings. Among the employers were Rhythm & Hues Studios Inc, which worked on the Oscar-winning movie Life of Pi, and said it had about 200 jobs on offer."

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz...3/18/2003557326
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:06 AM   #7
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How does a company that filed Ch.11 and couldn't make payroll look for more employees?

A) Not all of R&H is broke, similarly to how only D2 Florida is, while their other offices keep working.

B) If R&H was bought, or is being bought, but an Asian firm, it's only normal and perfectly fine that they will want to start looking into the local talent pool before or during finalisation.

While I'm sure everybody will be outraged, especially people who have never worked there or even in the field to begin with, if R&H is being reset by a potential buyer or infusion of capitals then it's only fair they reconfigure it the way they want it to operate.

They are scouting btw, not recruiting.
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I've been living and working in Taiwan for 4 years now. NT 30,000 is sad to hear. I hope that's just the intro starting point for NON creatives. I pull NT 53,000 after taxes just teaching English in Buxibans and only work 24 hours a week.

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They are mostly looking at junior positions, not saying what is standard there, but here a VFS instructor or myself now as an educator at rhythm, make more than most juniors make.
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Old 03-19-2013, 03:06 PM   #10
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So, a company consisting of mainly trainee juniors in a state subsidized endeavour?

Sounds like a strong business plan to me, especially if the renderfarm is still free.

Do they pay to be allowed to work by any chance?
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Man, people should do some research into companies before they spout off such ignorance. Do the research. R&H hasn't farmed out their work to foreign studios, each of their asia locations, 2 in India, and one KL, have all started the same way. They are official R&H studios owned and operated by R&H. And their design is to not only get a location that can produce work cheaper than North America but also help to build a talent base in those locations. They aren't cheap labor and as I'm pretty sure i mentioned, they wouldn't be doing work initially either. We slowly build departments by training people. This is a long process that slowly evolves, but when done right you get a studio like our India facilities that are essentially equals the LA and Vancouver locations. We are still training in those locations for FX, they don't have the experience or talent base for Houdini and FX that we need so we are slowly training staff into that department like we have for lighting, animation.

The way both Rhythm and the state justify it is that the state gets a talent base which hopefully will help to cement an industry there, and Rhythm saves a lot of money by paying these trainees less since the government is compensating rhythm for the education, eventually having a operational studio of talent in that location. Rhythm is paying them as they have at all locations. Part of the reason that Rhythm's current woes are such a huge deal to people compared to DD's, is because Rhythm has always been one of the forerunners for treating employees well, providing good benefits etc.

It's a working formula they've done three times now, and without it I can assure rhythm wouldn't have made it this far. Hyderabad is 10 years old now.
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Old 03-19-2013, 08:14 PM   #12
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Hyderabad is 10 years old now.

Isn't the Mumbai unit older? Afaik Mumbai was the first division to open and then they opened in Hyderabad where a lot of the crew chose to transfer.
 
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Isn't the Mumbai unit older? Afaik Mumbai was the first division to open and then they opened in Hyderabad where a lot of the crew chose to transfer.


sorry yes, Mumbai is 10 and Hyderabad is 6
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Old 03-22-2013, 07:33 PM   #14
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This is a long process that slowly evolves, but when done right you get a studio like our India facilities that are essentially equals the LA and Vancouver locations.


Then after "done right" there would be NO reason to keep LA locantion.
Making LA artists teach their replacement...
Sounds like worse than oursourcing.
 
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I've been living and working in Taiwan for 4 years now. NT 30,000 is sad to hear. I hope that's just the intro starting point for NON creatives. I pull NT 53,000 after taxes just teaching English in Buxibans and only work 24 hours a week.


Isn't 30,000 NT like $1,000 US? Is this salary weekly or monthly?
Sad that standards of pay are so poor all over the developing world. I hope the cost of living is also very cheap, or else these professionals will have a hard time living a comfortable life.
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