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Old 03-07-2013, 04:49 PM   #1
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Variety: Is the VFX Biz in India Tricking Artists Into Working for Free?

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"There is a disturbing trend in India for the past couple years in India (Especially since around November 2008, around when the recession hit) where VFX artists are forced to work for “experience” or “goodwill i.e we’ll keep you in mind” in “apprentice” or “training” positions. These apprenticeships usually last for a period ranging between 3-9 months and are generally unpaid. Some companies at the end of the term of these apprenticeships cut loose the interns stating reasons of “insufficient quality” or the more popular “We just don’t have any projects going on right now….We’ll call you”. OR They might consider extending your training to an extra three months or more, if you choose to remain unpaid for the duration. Whats more, is that you will have to repeat the whole process when you join another studio, because experience certificates and references are non-existent here (unless the studio exec is your close personal friend/relation). It appears that cheap labor isn’t good enough, now the labor is required to be free. Thats not to say that people are not selected to full-time or continual work, its just that is very rare. The end result being that the companies, get an almost inexhaustible pool of FREE Labor, allowing them to turn essentially a profit without Cost of production overhead in terms of labor. "

http://variety.com/2013/more/news/i...ree-1200004302/
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:00 PM   #2
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:09 PM   #3
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Ok, that's incredibly disturbing. Why am I trying to break into this trade again? My competition is people who work for free for up to a year and who give companies deposits for the privilege. This is why globalization taken to the extreme is bad for everyone (except maybe the corporations). No laws to prevent the precipitous rush to the bottom and horrendous exploitation. Subsidized food at work? What's next, a return to the company stores of the railroad barons? Gah! It's just freaking depressing.
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:35 PM   #4
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Actually, in Thailand, some studios even charge the intern/students who want to work on their projects.
 
Old 03-07-2013, 06:20 PM   #5
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Panupet, sounds like PrimeFocus in India charging employees a deposit?
It's terrible but lets look in the mirror, DD's short lived school, Academy of Arts now? Let's stop making these issues about foreign cultures and treat them for what they are, issues that affect all of us.

As a teacher of VFX this is nothing especially new, we students in Canada and the US working for cheap and free all the time. Heck it's a common debate regarding intern/apprenticeships. Some studios pay, some don't lets not blame India for it.
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Old 03-07-2013, 08:19 PM   #6
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If those workers are talented and know their stuff they must be paid. But if someone don't know anything about 3D and want to learn on the spot. I don't see any problems for a company to teach him for free. All is in the details. I once have a friend of mine on a contract : I was teaching him for free and the contract actually took more time than if I would have been alone to do it... Teaching someone really takes time and effort.
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Old 03-07-2013, 10:47 PM   #7
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i take little vested interest in a notion of "doomsday" for VFX industry. Because of globalization and the ability for a business to exploit an industry and it's incoming talent, the art itself is expanded and therefore creates more need for such an industry. lets just keep the ball rolling and hang on.
 
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More cheap journalism unearthing year old (or more) news because with the new subsidy witch hunt it becomes actual again for all those who're jumping on the bandwagon only now.

As if the practice wasn't common In South Africa, Spain, Belgium, Portugal, and more recently the States (with D2's school). And those are just countries I know of from dealing directly with staff who lived that after coming in my teams. I'm sure there are plenty more to patch onto that list.

Not that it's good news or anything, but it's not news, just Cohen cashing in on being the only one in Variety giving a damn about VFX, and getting free article material out of some copy and pastes.

More smoke that has people in other, high, places rolling on the floor laughing at how we're looking at the wrong issues while they keep cashing in on our work.
I'm glad to see opportunist meta journalism routinely re-promoted here, truly. It's not like it's a despicable practice that's wiping real journalism off the face of the earth or anything.
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Old 03-08-2013, 03:40 AM   #10
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One of the big problems in animation in India is those animation institutes. Some are doing false marketing and telling students that animation is booming and thus getting them into animation and those students think they will make good money and get into animation, not because of passion and interest. They are just kinda cheating to students, students that come out from those institutes mostly don't have proper/good showreel/works. And they are so desperate they just get into working for free into studio.
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More cheap journalism unearthing year old (or more) news because with the new subsidy witch hunt it becomes actual again for all those who're jumping on the bandwagon only now.

As if the practice wasn't common In South Africa, Spain, Belgium, Portugal, and more recently the States (with D2's school). And those are just countries I know of from dealing directly with staff who lived that after coming in my teams. I'm sure there are plenty more to patch onto that list.

Not that it's good news or anything, but it's not news, just Cohen cashing in on being the only one in Variety giving a damn about VFX, and getting free article material out of some copy and pastes.

More smoke that has people in other, high, places rolling on the floor laughing at how we're looking at the wrong issues while they keep cashing in on our work.
I'm glad to see opportunist meta journalism routinely re-promoted here, truly. It's not like it's a despicable practice that's wiping real journalism off the face of the earth or anything.


Yeah.

I mean, the forum post that the article linked to started on 10th Jan, 2011.
 
Old 03-08-2013, 07:33 AM   #12
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More cheap journalism unearthing year old (or more) news because with the new subsidy witch hunt it becomes actual again for all those who're jumping on the bandwagon only now.

As if the practice wasn't common In South Africa, Spain, Belgium, Portugal, and more recently the States (with D2's school). And those are just countries I know of from dealing directly with staff who lived that after coming in my teams. I'm sure there are plenty more to patch onto that list.

Not that it's good news or anything, but it's not news, just Cohen cashing in on being the only one in Variety giving a damn about VFX, and getting free article material out of some copy and pastes.

More smoke that has people in other, high, places rolling on the floor laughing at how we're looking at the wrong issues while they keep cashing in on our work.
I'm glad to see opportunist meta journalism routinely re-promoted here, truly. It's not like it's a despicable practice that's wiping real journalism off the face of the earth or anything.


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You beat me to it.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:05 AM   #13
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"There is a disturbing trend in India for the past couple years in India (Especially since around November 2008, around when the recession hit) where VFX artists are forced to work for “experience” or “goodwill i.e we’ll keep you in mind” in “apprentice” or “training” positions.. "


Unpaid or underpaid internship is also a National Sports in France and in all kind of industries ... (some say that , famous cosmetic brands ... are really impressive at this sports ) , This is a speciality of the country as famous as his wine and cheese and I would refuse the copyright of such practice to the indian folks ...
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This is not the place to post that....Send me a PM.

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Here is an update on the story:
VFXSoldier has posted the incriminating documents

http://vfxsoldier.wordpress.com/201...indian-workers/
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