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Old 02-13-2013, 07:32 PM   #16
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You Aussies were able to buy Game of Thrones on iTunes months before us losers in the US. So it all seems fair to me, just sayin'....

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Old 02-13-2013, 09:58 PM   #17
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I agree with a lot of sentiments on here. I don't understand why a company would charge more for a product at different locations, all things being even on logistics/shipping. I tend to think it has something to do with the various governments inflating the costs to do business or something of that effect.
 
Old 02-13-2013, 10:08 PM   #18
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Correction, Adobe request that their product don't get sold in Australia at a set price, but the government/law enforces it.

Just as the government/law is the back stop of their EULA.

Huh?
The government enforces laws in general, not individual company interests (hahahaa, no, ok, really).

In the case of cross continental sales THE only limitation is Adobe requiring a credit card registered to an American address, not in one place there is an import or legal fee stepping in the way, and in fact it's not even illegal.

Australia is hard frontiered for people and some goods, but actually very lax and friendly with low value imports.
IE: buying photo equipment from HK or the States, or sports equipment from Canada, or games from Saudi Arabia, or even cheap Chinese stuff from eBay in Italy will ALWAYS hit you with a customs fee.
Here in Oz I bought all of the above, had it shipped to work, had it properly declared for customs (no gifts or sponsorship fake slips crap), and always received it with no issues and no fees.

That is free market on a global scale for the individual. If I couldn't rent Photoshop for a couple months for a reasonable cost, but had to pay premium, it was uniquely and solely because their website located my IP to Australia, and even if I circumvented that, my credit card would have again placed me in Australia.
With a proxy in Seattle and an American billing address card I could buy at American prices just fine.

Anyway, this is veering a bit OT, and the free-market debates are always interesting, but it's inevitable to go into the political side of it if we entertain one (old Spanish FM, LF, Smithian, Socialism, fair market or not and so on), so it's probably best left sort of alone.
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Old 02-13-2013, 10:43 PM   #19
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Huh?
The government enforces laws in general, not individual company interests (hahahaa, no, ok, really).


You can't seriously believe this? So you think governments don't get involved with BIG company interests. Or was that sarcasm?
 
Old 02-13-2013, 11:48 PM   #20
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So here are a few interesting thing that used to happen back when i worked on the software sales side of things...

Some multi-national companies would buy floating licenses and them share them between studio's in different time zones this caused havoc really, some of the vendors would put clauses in the EULA stating the licenses could not be used X km from the nominated purchase site, so for instance a company with 2 offices in 2 separate states could not share licenses...

Another thing that would happen is regional price discrimination but the other way around in poorer developing nations the vendors would charge significantly less for software.. This i think is really unfair to all the western companies since it completely undermines cost competitiveness for everyone else..

There are many dirty tricks these software vendors use to extract every penny possible...
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:54 AM   #21
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Sorry, but in what developing country, or in fact in what country in general, does American Software cost less than it does in the States?

Honest question, not an argument.

Last I checked with African and ME friends/colleagues CAD/CAM/CAE and DCC software costs a shot in the head and your first born, plus an option on your soul, back there.

Obviously I can't know of every software in every field, I'm sure there are bound to be exceptions to the above, but the main CAD and DCC package I've yet to see anywhere cheaper than the US prices.
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:07 AM   #22
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India for one..

All the big vendors have price sheets for each region they also have different discount policies... A part of the problem is piracy, in those countries the governments don't care about IP or copyright its even common for government divisions to use pirate software so the only way they can combat that to some degree is just make the software really cheap so they get something...

There is so much shady shit that goes on to extract every penny from consumers..

Very common thing that I've seen done particularly in Australia this was done more so by the re-sellers is they would get price sheets in USD and buy software in USD but they would use an exchange rate which is significantly different to the actual rate and i'm not just talking adding 5-10% to cover rate fluctuation in some cases the re-sellers where making more money on each license sold then the actual vendor..

There was even some pricing fixing going on by Autodesk not so long ago which really limited re-sellers abilities to compete against each other i don't know if they are still doing now since we don't use Autodesk software

You guys need to work on the sales side of the fence for a bit it will open your eyes
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I have been on that side of the fence, worked for Avid/Softimage for a couple years, and been in touch with several people from more than a vendor and reseller, on very good terms, over the years.

I have to admit to not knowing what the prices for DCC apps would be in India.

The deals and the reseller network though is a messy, sclerotic thing more so than shady and dodgy.
It's rarely collusion, fixing, brilliant strategies, and more often than not just a bunch of tards making a mess of it on all sides.

Edit: An Indian friend who's working in India again let me know they are paying marginally more than he was in the States for Maya and PRman licenses, so no, I guess for DCC software even India isn't cheaper than the States (Maya with 1Y worth of subscription can be had legally for less than 3500US$ in the States, they are getting a decent deal at 3790US$ with the current exchange for the Rupee).
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:10 AM   #24
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It's rarely collusion, fixing, brilliant strategies, and more often than not just a bunch of tards making a mess of it on all sides.


Is this a comment on Adobe or The State Of Our Industry?
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More about reseller networks in general, and the inter-seller policies, deals and so on.
Only dealings I had with Adobe were renting their stuff occasionally, so I can't say I have the faintest clue about their reseller network. They are much more of a shelf commodity software anyway than AD has ever been.
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Old 02-15-2013, 03:43 AM   #26
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Oh I was being facetious. By The State of Our Industry I meant the hollywood film / vfx industry.

Sometimes i think there's a lot less horrible intent behind things and just a lot more incompetence and poor timing
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Interesting Interview with the Adobe CEO where he desperately tries to avoid answering a simple question:
Why is Creative Suite fourteen hundred Australian dollars more expensive than in the US?

(Youtube Video Link)

creative cloud... bla bla bla... creative cloud... bla bla bla...
 
Old 02-18-2013, 03:31 AM   #28
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With a proxy in Seattle and an American billing address card I could buy at American prices just fine.


Many Australians have a VPN for this purpose (and also so we can watch Breaking Bad on Netflix). You have to ask yourselves then if the software companies' restrictive purchasing policies are promoting the kind of behaviour they want in their customers. Which I assume is full honest disclosure of customers details.
 
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You are in the midst of a technical elite, and most likely part of it yourself.

Joe average out there probably doesn't know what VPN even stands for, nor has the slightest idea how to get, or inclination to do so, a proxy service that can cope with the bandwith of streaming content and a service of remote card/order management.

I agree with you in principle, but I doubt it's a determining factor.
You've been living and working with the nerdier and smarter part of the population for too long if you think more than a single digit percentage of the population out there can tunnel and twist their way past the fake internet national boundaries
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You are in the midst of a technical elite, and most likely part of it yourself.

Joe average out there probably doesn't know what VPN even stands for, nor has the slightest idea how to get, or inclination to do so, a proxy service that can cope with the bandwith of streaming content and a service of remote card/order management.

I agree with you in principle, but I doubt it's a determining factor.
You've been living and working with the nerdier and smarter part of the population for too long if you think more than a single digit percentage of the population out there can tunnel and twist their way past the fake internet national boundaries


You're right, of course. Most Australians probably don't have a VPN (but their kids probably have one in their smartphones). My point is that unecessary restrictions can lead people to behave in ways that companies' would not wish them to.
 
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