Lucasfilm Faces New Accusation of Pregnancy Discrimination

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Old 11 November 2012   #16
Originally Posted by WyattHarris: I'll have to question you here. Are you speaking internationally? I've only experienced the US side but maternity was always covered, that's for 4 kids in 2 different decades.


It's common for corporations to cover you and your familiy including maternity, but if you buy private insurance on your own, say blur cross or united for example, you'll find most of their insurance plans don't even cover hospitalizations and when they do, you're talking about $1000 for a family of 3 including waiting times for maternity usage, etc...I don't even want to know how much it would cost if you had a pre existing condition like this case.
At least now with obama care they can't deny you insurance, which apparently in Singapore they can.
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Old 11 November 2012   #17
Originally Posted by WyattHarris: I'll have to question you here. Are you speaking internationally? I've only experienced the US side but maternity was always covered, that's for 4 kids in 2 different decades.


But the US is different to many other developed countries in that most citizens still rely on private health insurance due to the lack of a national healthcare system (of course this is due to change but it hasn't yet). Because of this, there's a lot of competition in the health insurance business and this forces providers to offer broader coverage in order to stay competitive.

Singapore, on the other hand, provides government-subsidised healthcare to its citizens, so far fewer of them rely on private healthcare. Foreign workers however do rely on it as they're not entitled to the national healthcare. In countries like this, private insurance tends to be more modularised, so people can pick and choose the healthcare they need. A quick google search showed a number of discussions on expat forums saying that maternity care is not commonly included in company-provided cover, which is exactly what I'd expect in this context.

In my own personal opinion, if I was an employer in a country like that, running a company which has mostly male staff who are largely there on relatively short fixed term contracts, I'd probably leave maternity cover out too, as it's not something that I'd imagine would be very common amongst employees.

These kinds of practices will only hurt more experienced and/or family oriented workers, favoring people in their early 20's. This has more consequences than just health insurance.


Again, look at the context here. This is a satellite company on the opposite end of the world from where most of their imported staff come from. It's safe to assume that many, if not most of your imports are going to be young, possibly single people. How many people with families do you know that'd pack everything up to take a two year contract on the other side of the world? Their choice of insurance coverage caters to the exact kind of people you'd expect to take them up on their offer of employment in the first place.
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Old 11 November 2012   #18
Originally Posted by leigh: But the US is different to many other developed countries...

Singapore, on the other hand...

That's what I wanted to know, thanks.
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Old 11 November 2012   #19
This is horrible and truly unacceptable behavior. I hope things can work out for Mr. Pages.

Bad form Lucasfilm....
 
Old 11 November 2012   #20
Originally Posted by leif3d: It's common for corporations to cover you and your familiy including maternity, but if you buy private insurance on your own, say blur cross or united for example, you'll find most of their insurance plans don't even cover hospitalizations and when they do, you're talking about $1000 for a family of 3 including waiting times for maternity usage, etc...I don't even want to know how much it would cost if you had a pre existing condition like this case.
At least now with obama care they can't deny you insurance, which apparently in Singapore they can.


As far as I know USA dont have a decent health system (because US citizens think of socialism as some kind of evil cult but thats another different topic). In my country dental plan is included in your insurance and you have unlimited coverage in almost everything except cancer. Even if I didnt had insurance, the goverment has a free health care system wich will also cover you almost anything (long wait time though), and I am from a 3rd world country.

Now Singapore is another story, while I feel bad for him, he should have asked the kind of coverage they will receive (he must have all the documents of the insurance company about that). He hardly have a case against Disney if the coverage isnt documented, and obviously US laws dont apply in Singapore.
 
Old 11 November 2012   #21
Combine this story with the billions Lucas just walked away with and it simply looks awful. It's a bit of a painful reminder to make sure you know what your insurance covers before you accept a job (or get pregnant) - but the fact that she had to go back to Russia to get health care (I'm not sure what country Luis is a citizen of, it doesn't say) and he got the boot via email with no explanation while he was there with her is just f*cking cold.

If he is a US citizen then I'm pretty embarrassed (as a fellow citizen) that coming back here wasn't a viable option.

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Old 11 November 2012   #22
A number of months back, I was interviewing with ILM in Singapore. My wife was also expecting a child at that time too, and if I worked there, it would have turned out that we would have had our child there.

Knowing this, I specifically questioned the areas of medical coverage in regards to pregnancy and birth, and was informed that I would be completely covered by the company, and (now I don't have the emails in front of me, so at the moment, this is coming from memory) up to $5000 of expenses.

(FYI, I never did end up there.)
 
Old 11 November 2012   #23
Originally Posted by leuey: Combine this story with the billions Lucas just walked away with and it simply looks awful.


He gave all $4bn to charity. I'm no fan of the guy, but let's stick to the facts.
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Old 11 November 2012   #24
Wow. He did, just googled it...good for him. Ok...forget that part : )

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Old 11 November 2012   #25
Originally Posted by leigh: He gave all $4bn to charity. I'm no fan of the guy, but let's stick to the facts.


Yes, let's. We don't know how much he's "giving to charity." The charities he has mentioned were both foundations started by...George Lucas. I'm not saying this is wrong or a bad thing (yet), but it's a bit unusual.

And not to defend him at all, but these kinds of cases happen at nearly all companies. It does not make it right or okay, it just is. When I was there, we would always hear about someone who had a lawsuit against the company for one reason or another. It happens. And without knowing all the facts, there's no way to make a judgement on this particular case.
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Old 11 November 2012   #26
Regardless of how noble Lucas' donation seems, let's not forget that lots of humanitarian aid foundations, and not only, are simple facades for much less noble enterprises. Let's not hurry to congratulate the man when the news are still this fresh.

Concerning the actual subject of this thread, I highly doubt that "public shaming" of companies that use personnel in this manner will make the CEOs reconsider such decisions. Their audience will probably never be informed of matters like these, and even the few who might hear about it will eventually forget it by next week.
And will it affect the artists looking for work? Hardly, when you consider that in the eyes of the upcoming artists, names such as Disney and Dreamworks represent the very pinnacle of the career they chose to follow (or at least that's what most people imagine).

In the end, we're pretty much playing by their rules, and we simply can't afford what it takes to make things better. Blue thoughts, I know, but is there any actual sign of improvement? Just a rhetorical question.
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Old 11 November 2012   #27
Originally Posted by Artbot: Yes, let's. We don't know how much he's "giving to charity." The charities he has mentioned were both foundations started by...George Lucas. I'm not saying this is wrong or a bad thing (yet), but it's a bit unusual.
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Apologies, I was unaware that the charity was his own foundation; the article I read didn't specify which charity it was. In this case, it kinda seems like a way to avoid tax.
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Old 11 November 2012   #28
As a result, he has amassed about U.S. $8,000 in self-paid medical expenses. His wife spent a portion of the pregnancy comparison shopping for the least expensive medical care.

My god. He should have fly to Thailand. It's right next to Singapore and our medical care is really good, really cheap. It's a favourite place to get health care among Japanese.
 
Old 11 November 2012   #29
Originally Posted by leigh: Apologies, I was unaware that the charity was his own foundation; the article I read didn't specify which charity it was. In this case, it kinda seems like a way to avoid tax.


Those foundations, no matter who started them, might do great things with that money - I hope they do. But I think the person who posted in the other Lucas thread with the tax-avoidance info was much closer to the mark than those who think he's making some self-less humanitarian gesture.

Again, I'm not saying there's anything nefarious going on. I'm not sure what advantage there would be in to giving to your own charity. It's not like he needs more personal wealth. Maybe it's just a control thing, who knows. But with these amounts of money, I tend to think that these moves are made mostly for financial reasons and not personal ones - call me a cynic!

I'd also point out that GLEF does give to outside groups, notably PBS and NPR. Who knows, with the way things are always on-again, off-again with gov't funding of PBS, maybe he'll end up entirely bankrolling them, too.
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Old 11 November 2012   #30
Originally Posted by luisRiera: As far as I know USA dont have a decent health system (because US citizens think of socialism as some kind of evil cult but thats another different topic).

Uh no, the US has a fantastic health care system. I can get service whenever I call for anything usually within an hour or two. I don't need it much but my kids do all the time for specialized care.
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