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Old 08 August 2012   #31
please NOT cloud computing!!!

can the foundry please buy maya!?

 
Old 08 August 2012   #32
Originally Posted by EyeForComplexity: please NOT cloud computing!!!

can the foundry please buy maya!?




On the other hand Maya has gotten progressively less expensive, max remained the same but Nuke had like Septupled in price since we first bought it.

NukeX is now the cost of like 3 seats of Maya or Max. And nothing they've added lately in my opinion has been particularly well implemented.
 
Old 08 August 2012   #33
Hmm over here it's £4800 vs £3050 for Max, so not even twice as much.

I still wouldn't pay more for a compositor than a 3D app though.
 
Old 08 August 2012   #34
I can stomach Autodesk charging what they feel is necessary to ensure a bright future for Maya (within reason), but I wholeheartedly oppose cloud computing. Requiring the cloud in order to use your software is anti-consumer and should not be allowed to happen, period!
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Old 08 August 2012   #35
over here maya is 5600€ with sub, max is 5700€ with sub. Outrageous prices.
 
Old 08 August 2012   #36
Originally Posted by thatoneguy: On the other hand Maya has gotten progressively less expensive, max remained the same but Nuke had like Septupled in price since we first bought it.

NukeX is now the cost of like 3 seats of Maya or Max. And nothing they've added lately in my opinion has been particularly well implemented.

Maya has only artificially become less expensive.
Before you could get complete for two grands, and unlimited for five and spare change. Then they merged the two into a barely sub-4k offer, and it was promoted as a price drop for unlimited.

The reality is that for the very small, specialised team or person that didn't need unlimited, the price almost double, and for the large structure that had a number of pipeline, modelling, animation, TDing and other seats that only required complete (which was the staggering majority outside of FX) the price went up too.

In conjunction with the recent maintenance model changes (no flat fee 2 years) the cost of upkeep and the entry fee both went up between 1.2 and 2.5x for a lot of businesses.

Don't get me wrong, I don't find it too unreasonable, 3D software is a really singularly and exceptionally priced commodity, but the "real" bottom line price of maya hasn't gone down since Alias dropped the price of complete dramatically years ago. It's always gone up in everybody's end of year balance.
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Old 08 August 2012   #37
Originally Posted by fahr: I can stomach Autodesk charging what they feel is necessary to ensure a bright future for Maya (within reason), but I wholeheartedly oppose cloud computing. Requiring the cloud in order to use your software is anti-consumer and should not be allowed to happen, period!


This might be of interest:

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"Autodesk is shifting away from traditional desktop-based computing and toward applications that can be delivered over the Web. As the largest seller of engineering software, its products have been used in everything from bridge design to the special effects in the movie “Avatar.”

Last month, the company said it’s spending $60 million to purchase Socialcam Inc. as it expands in the consumer market. Socialcam offers a smartphone application and Web-based service that lets users capture, edit and share videos.

“Despite our second quarter results, the changes better position Autodesk to meet the needs of our customers,” Bass said. "
http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...tructuring-plan
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Old 08 August 2012   #38
Might be worth noting that while Bass has said multiple times, more or less explicitly, that he thinks the future is in the cloud (and that's profits wise, of course, whichever way you dress it up), Petit has at the same time always remarked that that's true for AD in general, but they are aware that a good chunk of M&E will be five years behind that curve for obvious reasons.

When we discuss AD in here, everybody thinks of them as Maya, Max (its DCC side, not its viz side), Soft and so on.
When their board or Bass talk about it, they are thinking of practically everything except M&E, which is a small, prestige factor, rather insignificant chunk of the overall company economy.

Whether that's good or not, I still am unsure about at this point.
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Old 08 August 2012   #39
Originally Posted by Strob: Wow if autodesk is really going into cloud and mobile computing, they will go bankrupt.

Cloud and mobile computing is for gaming not working!


Works great here. Up until I got Office 2013 I was using OnLive Desktop for all of my office needs. In fact it's funny, but just yesterday my dad was showing me the ipad that his office uses for sales meetings and such. The first thing that I noticed was that OnLive Desktop was installed on it. Of course I love OnLive for gaming too, I have 29 games from them and play a lot.
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Old 08 August 2012   #40
Originally Posted by philnolan3d: Works great here. Up until I got Office 2013 I was using OnLive Desktop for all of my office needs. In fact it's funny, but just yesterday my dad was showing me the ipad that his office uses for sales meetings and such. The first thing that I noticed was that OnLive Desktop was installed on it. Of course I love OnLive for gaming too, I have 29 games from them and play a lot.


If your internet goes down while gaming, you go outside and jog, draw a picture with pencil and paper, read a book (the paperback kind), or have sex with your wife (assuming she's still there after your 12-hour WoW binge).

If your internet goes down while working, you deliver late, lose your job and go bankrupt.
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Old 08 August 2012   #41
Quote:
"Our future lies online: Autodesk CEO Carl Bass, interviewed by TechCrunch’s Andrew Keen in April" (video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J7R...layer_embedded#!
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Old 08 August 2012   #42
It seems to me Autodesk execs are looking at google and facebook and they also want to make money like them just by being online!!! They are out of their minds! They never used their own softwares, they used their office suite online and they think this can apply to their softwares, it's insane, please get them a white shirt and put them in a white room with cushion on the walls!
 
Old 08 August 2012   #43
Originally Posted by fahr: If your internet goes down while gaming, you go outside and jog, draw a picture with pencil and paper, read a book (the paperback kind), or have sex with your wife (assuming she's still there after your 12-hour WoW binge).

If your internet goes down while working, you deliver late, lose your job and go bankrupt.



I absolutely agree!
 
Old 08 August 2012   #44
We had a lecture in school before the summer break. I don't remember much of it because it was end of term and if I could have been any less interested, I would have tried my best. But I do remember the lecturer talking about Cloud stuff and he mentioned that the biggest attraction of it for software companies is that it will kill off piracy of their software. He said that at first, prices to use products in Cloud will probably be fairly reasonable, at least until they have it all sown up. Then prices will go up once the majority of users sign up to Cloud to be able to use the latest versions of software like for instance Adobe Suite.
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Old 08 August 2012   #45
In the past i have posted a long list of issues that I have with the cloud.
So I AM ON RECORD for being against this.
What concerns me right now is that, like it or not, we are being collectively herded into it.
I guess the question is, will the vast majority of pro users comply? Or do we have another
FINAL CUT X scenario in our hands?
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