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Old 12 December 2011   #46
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to be frank Roy already cover this topic in a 3D World mag, I forgot which issue. there are legit reason, and there are strange ones. some are caused by the company, some are caused by the receiving country goverment (they doesn't want to be bypassed in a commercial transaction).

one of the strange things in online purchases, is that song are not sold globally. there are country distribution thingy and licensing. So is movies (even in DVD form).

to go back to software, I can't say much regarding EU. But online purchasing and prices are not as simple as ABC.
 
Old 12 December 2011   #47
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A node-based Photoshop would be very exciting... especially if it had a good solid Python scripting back-end so we could actually easily write tools. Photoshop's scripting support is abysmal.



THIS!

We had to roll our own plugin to add python hooks. Easy, but why? Why does everything need to run on ECMAMyOwnCoolVersion Script.

As for the cloud, yes I understand it, but there is going to be a lot of push back from larger companies who do NOT want their assets living on someone else's system.

I could see a company like where I am at tell Adobe, sorry, but no, and that is a helluva lot of licenses.
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Old 12 December 2011   #48
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As for the cloud, yes I understand it, but there is going to be a lot of push back from larger companies who do NOT want their assets living on someone else's system.

I could see a company like where I am at tell Adobe, sorry, but no, and that is a helluva lot of licenses.


http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html

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"Adobe will still offer various components of Adobe Creative Cloud for sale separately. Customers will still be able to purchase Adobe Creative Suite software separately just as they do today."
Fortunately, for now your company will still be able to buy their Adobe licences just like they do today, but I predict Adobe will stop manufacturing and selling their software as CD's and bundles in the near future and will only offer a subscription service to save money on producing the CD's and packaging etc.
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Old 12 December 2011   #49
I don't really have a problem with the subscription model as long as there is still an option to buy outright as well..

The ability to quickly bring on a few extra's licenses at a small fee is very handy..
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Old 12 December 2011   #50
DUMB DUMB DUMB.

As Steve Jobs said once, Adobe has some of the laziest programmers. No innovations and arrogants. I started to believe that now. I gues It will be perfect timing for Corel or anyone else to be the new standard. I'll support anyone but Adobe all the way. Damn I hate those dumb guys....
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Old 12 December 2011   #51
I generally tend not to blame devs, but their bosses. Over at ADSK it looks the same if not worse than at Adobe. There's a tablet app from Adobe called Carousel which sells at a subscription: $5 "per month!" Can you imagine how clueless the top dogs at Adobe are?
They don't even get the new economy of tablet apps.

The cloud and the subscription stupidity for apps is a great opportunity for other devs who never got the chance to climb up to the king of the hill.
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Old 12 December 2011   #52
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Adobe has some of the laziest programmers. No innovations and arrogants.


Adobe may rest too much on its laurels, but I guess you haven't seen the sneak previews where they showcase lightfield photography, 3D reconstruction, motion blur removal, automatic voice-over sync, spatial layer stacking, content aware object removal (on top of my head).

All jaw-dropping stuff and presented by very likeable chaps.

Whether it will ever see the light of day as a commercial app is another story, but don't buy all what Jobs said at face value. He wasn't a saint either...
 
Old 12 December 2011   #53
Adobe is already resting in their laurels for sometime.
The "cloud" is the deal breaker for me in every application.
 
Old 12 December 2011   #54
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motion blur removal



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA ..........
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Old 12 December 2011   #55
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA ..........


It's called deconvolution and the technique has been known for years. Don't expect miracles on badly blurred images though.
 
Old 12 December 2011   #56
I haven't tried the last few versions of Photoshop (I don't do enough 2D image manipulation to warrant the asking price) so things may have gotten drastically worse in my absence.

Unlike some other industry standard softwares Photoshop is a really reliable and fast piece of software which obviously a lot of work goes into. Overall Adobe has been one of the least annoying ISVs.

I think the problem for Adobe is that Photoshop is more or less a solved problem. Moving it into new areas has a complexity cost without any gain for people who don't deal with those new areas. People can use any recent version without being at a real competitive disadvantage hence this move.

I would welcome a serious competitor to shake things up (particularly if that competitor is available on the Linux platform).
 
Old 12 December 2011   #57
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It's called deconvolution and the technique has been known for years. Don't expect miracles on badly blurred images though.

I hate these kinds of back-handed comments. You could heckle almost all the researchers at siggraph with that line, because there always been something similar to something else that has been done. However, there are new papers and research every year on image deblurring
Here is more info on that demo
http://blogs.adobe.com/photoshopdot...sneak-peek.html
The paper this is based on was presented at siggraph asia 2009, afaik, and work continues

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Old 12 December 2011   #58
Laugh as much as you want, but I still find this impressive (same goes for content aware scaling and filling).


On the matter of PS, I think cloud-based as a possible option is ok, namely if you're not at your workstation and still need to do some work on a third-party or less powerful device, but as the only option it's pretty bad. Especially if it involves bad latency problems on your strokes etc...

It's not a renderfarm or a text processor (in which cases I wouldn't mind so much I guess).

And of course, Cloud based means datacenters and bandwith to pay for, hence recurring cost.

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Old 12 December 2011   #59
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I hate these kinds of back-handed comments. You could heckle almost all the researchers at siggraph with that line, because there always been something similar to something else that has been done. However, there are new papers and research every year on image deblurring
Here is more info on that demo
http://blogs.adobe.com/photoshopdot...sneak-peek.html
The paper this is based on was presented at siggraph asia 2009, afaik, and work continues


I was reacting to the implication that motion blur removal was laughably impossible, by pointing out that it's already been done for years. I was not commenting on the work of researchers at Adobe or elsewhere, who obviously continue to improve the techniques. I actually find research like this fascinating.

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Old 12 December 2011   #60
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This is certainly very interesting to us here at team Mari.

Having got a scalable 32bit float painting engine, a python scripting back end and some very interesting image processing stuff in the works this sort of feedback is very useful.

Jack Greasley
Mari Product Manager


Oh lordy, can I send you my money now? I have hated Adobe with a passion for a decade (which, incidentally, is less time than they've used the same antiquated UI), but this pricing/cloud scam...uh, scheme, just takes the cake. Between the "security" of the cloud (let's be honest - there is no other reason for it than for keeping tabs on you and your license) and the fleecing of customers with monthly subscriptions, they are doing their best to drive customers like me away for good.

Don't think for a minute you can bypass all this by simply using an old version forever. They will undoubtedly do what Autodesk did and tie future upgrades to new OSs so you are forced to upgrade/switch to cloud. Keeping an ancient machine/OS is just not very practical in professional production, and Adobe knows it.

Any reasonable, production-level alternative would own the market. Though I'm sure development of such a thing is far more complicated and political than anyone can image (image format licenses, Adobe inevitably suing your ass off, etc.).
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