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  04 April 2017
Originally Posted by rsquires: Having said that I am tempted by the new Razer laptops that can be expanded with eGPU enclosure.

You can use external enclosure right now on both your dustbin and any other TB enabled Mac.
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  04 April 2017
Apple's business model revolves around selling 'the best' turn-key, ready-rolled products. Everything soldered to 1 board with no expansion slots, like big iPhones. CG / VFX systems prefer configurability and upgradability so that you can get the most CPU speed / CUDA cores and ram for your $$$. Because GPUs advance so fast, you really want this to be upgradable, but Apple no longer provide any new generation hardware options that support this.

Apple also happens to have by far the worlds best OS IMO. So, really if you want configurable hardware on the Rolls Royce of operating systems, then Hackintosh is the only way to go. Mac Pro's pricing puts it out of reach of many, and I think Apple is acknowledging that there is a niche group of users for which there is no appropriate product, hence they are relaxing their position on custom hardware setups. It means potentially more people on App Store, and if you use macOS on your workstation, you're likely to choose Apple when you want a laptop. Because of this I think we'll see the trend toward 'unofficial support' of non apple hardware on macOS continue in future.

The best of both worlds course is a dual-boot Hackintosh. That way you can have the pleasure of using macOS unless you absolutely need windows for something, and then its only a reboot away.

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  04 April 2017
I've made the PC jump, so this isn't a personal recommendation or anything, but there's a few companies popping up filling the gap Apple has left with custom-build cheese-grater Macs, including Titan/1080Ti cards, faster processors etc and they're guaranteed, so no need to worry about compatibility. Example here:

https://create.pro/upgrade

They're not cheap of course, and you're compromising quite a bit compared to a similar price PC, but if sticking with OSX is holding you back then these machines are an option at least.

They're also offering upgraded trash-can Macs, but these are less interesting - £2k for a single CUDA card in an enclosure is just too steep IMO.
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  04 April 2017
I have a pretty maxed out 4.1 --> 5.1 Mac Pro. The 1080 Ti isn't really available in Switzerland yet, but I'll drop one or two of those in there as soon as I get my hands on one.

With Nvidia's latest driver support pledge, I think the classic Mac Pro is a viable option until the new Macs get here—if you're already invested in MacOS.

The modifications can be easily made with a little patience. The Mac Pro forum at Macrumors.com has all the answers.

Obviously, for people who enjoy Windows, there is great price/performance when building a PC.
 
  04 April 2017
Little example of benefits of custom hardware..
I built my machine in late 2009, i7 930, 12gigs and ATI 5770.

Fastforward to now, I picked up a Xeon 6 core which runs at 4.0ghz (with a small boost) for $150 from eBay, another 12 gigs, and a GTX 960.

So with a few upgrades a 7+ year old machine beats the latest iMacs.

But I would never give up macOS. The few times that I do boot into windows, I'm quickly reminded by virus checker pop-ups, malware scanners, inevitable frustration of nondescript error windows, and the temptation to waste hours tweaking settings and installing 3rd party utilities to make it nice, that Windows is a place you only want to hang out as long as you have to.

Windows is fairly good these days, and if thats all you know you'll probably love it. But if you're used to macOS, just bare in mind you're going to feel a sacfrice has been made.
 
  04 April 2017
I don't see the point of having a Mac, if most plugins only work in windows... and yes you can install Windows on a Mac.. and again.. whats the point in having a Mac if you are doing that?
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  04 April 2017
Originally Posted by IceCaveMan: CheeseGraters don't need eGPU. They have 3 plug and play PCI slots...two of the slots that can hold a 1080 e.g.


Good call. Earlier I was thinking the driver's OS requirement was later than what the cheese graters run but apparently 2009 or later still run up to 10.12.x? Am almost positive I read (around the time of its release), that most 2009 and earlier Macs won't run 10.12.x. Been a long time since I tried installing an OS on any of those models though.
 
  04 April 2017
Originally Posted by Blinny: Good call. Earlier I was thinking the driver's OS requirement was later than what the cheese graters run but apparently 2009 or later still run up to 10.12.x? Am almost positive I read (around the time of its release), that most 2009 and earlier Macs won't run 10.12.x. Been a long time since I tried installing an OS on any of those models though.


Just this week I just upgraded my 2009 MacPro to Sierra (10.12). That is necessary to get the Nvidia drivers w/CUDA. No issues at all. Just worked. The new Nvidia drivers even work w/the aging Nvidia 680 that's inside.
 
  04 April 2017
Originally Posted by luisRiera: if most plugins only work in windows

Show us the number. I work with Cinema since version 5 and my experience tells me that most plugin do work also on Mac and only a small percentage are Windows only. I know that you can easily cherry pick up a few that doesn't work but the vast majority will run fine.
A developer must not be that smart to leave on the table the money from almost half the Maxons user base(this are actual number).
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  04 April 2017
Originally Posted by luisRiera: I don't see the point of having a Mac, if most plugins only work in windows... and yes you can install Windows on a Mac.. and again.. whats the point in having a Mac if you are doing that?

Most plugins that are only available for Windows or OS X but not both depend on OS specific libraries that are just not available on other operating systems. The rest is usually due to the developer not having access to a compile system for the other platform, but in the past there were several example sof other developers helping out with this.
By far the majority of all plugins is available on both platforms and yes,as sirio points out, despite Apple not pushing their workstations as much as they used to the number of OS X and Windows Cinema 4D users is pretty much en par.
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  10 October 2017
So guys,

This has been asked before (probably by me!), but as someone who is till running a Mac Pro 2010 12 core, with a Radeon 5770, and getting really fed up with viewport lag, is there any advantage at all investing in one of the Nvidia 9xx or 10xx cards? - GPU rendering is not really a major consideration, although it might become useful via ProRender if one of these newer cards makes better use of it than the old Radeon, but I am seriously in need of better viewport speeds!!

Incidentally, I can't find any comparison Cinebench scores between my older card, and these newer ones - anybody got some to share?

Adam
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  10 October 2017
Is this with millions of polys or lots of objects (or both)? And is it due to C4D – which we all hope will be rectified with R20 - rather than the GPU? I run a GTX980Ti in my Mac Pro and it generally feels pretty quick. But I know C4D just can't cope with certain types of scenes (of course I don't have a PC to do an A-B comparison). Crazily, I can pan around a multi-million-poly scene in Octane faster than I can in OpenGL! I generally turn those scenes to bounding box while I work in Octane.

Personally, I'm right on the cusp: the new HP Z8 workstations look knockout, but the iMac Pro might also be a good interim machine until the new Mac Pro arrives.
 
  10 October 2017
Originally Posted by kromekat: So guys,

This has been asked before (probably by me!), but as someone who is till running a Mac Pro 2010 12 core, with a Radeon 5770, and getting really fed up with viewport lag, is there any advantage at all investing in one of the Nvidia 9xx or 10xx cards? - GPU rendering is not really a major consideration, although it might become useful via ProRender if one of these newer cards makes better use of it than the old Radeon, but I am seriously in need of better viewport speeds!!

Incidentally, I can't find any comparison Cinebench scores between my older card, and these newer ones - anybody got some to share?

Adam
This do not depend on the OS and there's no point in upgrading your GPU if the real bottleneck is in your CPU. Even a simple iMac or a recent Macbookpro will fly in your viewport compared to an old MP. Single thread speed is "all" that matter for editing and unfortunately you can't upgrade that.
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  10 October 2017
Originally Posted by kromekat: So guys,

This has been asked before (probably by me!), but as someone who is till running a Mac Pro 2010 12 core, with a Radeon 5770, and getting really fed up with viewport lag, is there any advantage at all investing in one of the Nvidia 9xx or 10xx cards? - GPU rendering is not really a major consideration, although it might become useful via ProRender if one of these newer cards makes better use of it than the old Radeon, but I am seriously in need of better viewport speeds!!

Incidentally, I can't find any comparison Cinebench scores between my older card, and these newer ones - anybody got some to share?

Adam
I have a Mac Pro (Mid 2010) with currently a Nvidea geforce gtx 780. I haven't looked into 9xxx or 10xxx cards but moving from a 5770 was a real big improvement for me.

At the moment I'm waiting with any investments and keep all my fingers crossed that Apple's forthcoming MacPro will be not a dead end like the trashcan. If it's another barely upgradable thing like last MacPro, I'll see what to do then. For now the 2 I have work for me and OS X uses software that is not available on windows so I'm not switching, except for playing games under win 7. 
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  10 October 2017
So I am running a Hackintosh - 3 of them in fact... Way faster than a Mac Pro for a lot of things - you are limited to 4 cores with a 'standard' build.  but that's fine for me as I render at a farm most of the time. 

Really easy and perfectly stable if you buy the right bits (really important  that - tempting to got off track and buy something not recommended but really don't! )

i7-7700K ( Not the newest Intel chips - but at some point apple will upgrade to the latest then I can )
1080ti
I have 5 SSDs and 1 HDD 
64GB Ram
USB 3
Thunderbolt
Bluetooth and Wifi does mean having a PCI card - but that was cheap and works perfectly for everything Mac... the only issue I have is iMessage needs a method to make work correctly - I've just not had time to go though it.  But Handoff - All bluetooth devices work fine. 

Also have a teeny tiny mackintosh workstation with  a nano Fury.  Picture attached which I can take with me... also faster than a Mac Pro 2013 for most things!

https://www.tonymacx86.com - has really simple buyers guides and installation tools.  It's basically a USB stick install...  Could be a little easier but not impossible to follow.   Still nice place to be working than windows!   Interested to know what C4D Plugins are windows only?  I can't think of any in my scope..  but we all do differ things right!?

The added benefit of this of course is you can run windows too at full speed.  If you have the patience!! 

This is still a stop gap until Apple do bring out the promise Mac Pro replacement next year...   I am hoping for a Modular system  - with a small base unit with add on cases for GPU - SSD and other cards.


 

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