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  04 April 2017
Originally Posted by EricM: This is clearly a venting thread, this isn't really constructive or related to C4D.

I'm a PC user, I don't mind a couple of threads in here talking about the future of Macs as a 3D platform, as it could impact me in the longer run, but really "Windoze sucks" is neither C4D related or constructive.

Windows is obviously perfectly capable of running C4D or any other 3D apps, it does so quite fine for the vast majority of people and they don't have magically appearing viruses unless they do something foolish or forgot to have a proper anti-virus.

Some might have a different experience due to bad luck or an unfortunate combination of events, but that doesn't really make this thread any more relevant.


Thank you for your input Eric. Frankly this thread is not for PC users but for Mac users in transition to PC. I wanted to provide some sobering experience one might have when transitioning from PC to Mac. I was never trying to assist longterm PC users in this thread.

As we've witnessed C4d and the broader 3d world is driving a lot of migration from Mac.

I do agree the thread title was ill-advised, but I expected readers to be good-natured about things.

There are several issues discussed in this thread that would have been exceptionally helpful for me to have known to assist in my migration.

So...to sum up here is my advice for those moving to the windows world:

-Asus is likely a vendor one might want to avoid for motherboards

-If you don't want to have your computer hijacked and upgraded to Windows 10...with a possible disaster in a failed auto-installation...read up and be sure your system is properly locked down from Microsoft's hard push towards migration.

-Get yourself not only virus protection but malware protection. They are two different things and you need both. There are free options.

-More generally...Be prepared to need to learn lots of new things...boot codes, and bios upgrades and keyboard shortcuts for important processes. You won't need all this knowledge when things go well...but it's quite likely at some point you'll get a crash course.

In my opinion the far greater performance and better pricing are worth it...but it can come with other "hidden charges."

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  04 April 2017
Myths and Mac folklore.

Originally Posted by IceCaveMan: Issues?
-Viruses and malware (not porn induced!)

I don't know how you do it. I've never had in years an issue with a virus. once in a blue moon a file is flagged, automatically quarantined, end of the intermission.

Originally Posted by IceCaveMan: -Nonexistent Asus tech support

Americans don't realize how pampered they are . . . Tech support (the american way) is virtually inexistent in most countries.
All questions have been answered in forums. Google is my tech support.

Originally Posted by IceCaveMan: So...to sum up here is my advice for those moving to the windows world:
-Asus is likely a vendor one might want to avoid for motherboards

That's a senseless blanket statement, any manufacturer will produce defective products or lemons. Apple had it's share too. Maybe you should have gotten a dell, they have excellent tech support, and later a custom built once you were familiar with PCs

Originally Posted by IceCaveMan: -If you don't want to have your computer hijacked and upgraded to Windows 10...with a possible disaster in a failed auto-installation...read up and be sure your system is properly locked down from Microsoft's hard push towards migration.

The installations/upgrade to 10 are reversible, and sure among the hundred of millions of PCs out there some had problems but our civilization isn't disappearing so the numbers must be very low, a fraction of a percent at most.

Originally Posted by IceCaveMan: -Get yourself not only virus protection but malware protection. They are two different things and you need both. There are free options.

That isn't necessary, Win10 is perfectly able to defend itself. Microsoft Security Essentials is integrated, it's regarded as one of the best virus protection & firewall available. installing bloat/spyware like Avast or Mcafee will at best slowdown your machine.

Originally Posted by IceCaveMan: -More generally...Be prepared to need to learn lots of new things...boot codes, and bios upgrades and keyboard shortcuts for important processes. You won't need all this knowledge when things go well...but it's quite likely at some point you'll get a crash course.
In my opinion the far greater performance and better pricing are worth it...but it can come with other "hidden charges.

Of course you'll have to learn new things were you really surprised? Boot codes, never needed them. Bios upgrade? common, as complicated as formatting a drive, then again, if the computer works there is no need to ever upgrade bios.
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  04 April 2017
Originally Posted by laurent:
I don't know how you do it. I've never had in years an issue with a virus. once in a blue moon a file is flagged, automatically quarantined, end of the intermission.


You are fortunate. Look, I've only had one virus/malware issue and it happened recently. It took me maybe 4 or 5 hours to resolve. I'm actually pretty lucky. Here are the global costs of a few viruses/malware:
Conficker Worm: $9 billion
ILoveYou virus: $15 billion
Sasser Worm: $18 billion
MyDoom Worm: $38 billion


Originally Posted by laurent: All questions have been answered in forums. Google is my tech support.


Google has largely been my tech support too. I've given google a workout on a few occasions with issues that I never had w/a Mac. I've adapted and survived. I just need to emphasize the fuss factor is greater with windows, true not only in my experience but in larger sample sizes at corporations like IBM. (see link earlier in thread)


Originally Posted by laurent: That's a senseless blanket statement, any manufacturer will produce defective products or lemons. Apple had it's share too. Maybe you should have gotten a dell, they have excellent tech support, and later a custom built once you were familiar with PCs.


I'm sure some Asus customers are happy. But even several other posters in this thread concur that it's probably not the best choice. Their customer support is widely known to be weak...to non-existent. I won't bore people w/the details, but I found the boot, sleep and software suite problems I've had w/them are remarkably common in threads like those at Tom's hardware.

Originally Posted by laurent: The installations/upgrade to 10 are reversible, and sure among the hundred of millions of PCs out there some had problems but our civilization isn't disappearing so the numbers must be very low, a fraction of a percent at most.


Perhaps if I'd had a proper disk image backup rather than just a data backup...Microsoft's forced installation might have been less of a debacle. Again...something transitioning Mac users should be mindful about. Regularly updated bootable disk images are a good thing.


Originally Posted by laurent: That isn't necessary, Win10 is perfectly able to defend itself. Microsoft Security Essentials is integrated, it's regarded as one of the best virus protection & firewall available. installing bloat/spyware like Avast or Mcafee will at best slowdown your machine.


Not from my experience... Though we all have our own experience. LinusTech recommends running virus protection and malware protection.


Originally Posted by laurent: Of course you'll have to learn new things were you really surprised? Boot codes, never needed them. Bios upgrade? common, as complicated as formatting a drive, then again, if the computer works there is no need to ever upgrade bios.


Yes...if the computer works there is no need to ever upgrade bios. And if it doesn't you may need to learn to reset your bios or upgrade it.

I like learning so it's not all been bad. When using a Mac things just work...you ride along without having to think about what is going on inside your system. With PC my experience is that you have to be willing to go inside your hardware and system settings much more.
 
  04 April 2017
I had only Apple computers until about 20 years ago, now I use PCs and the grass is so much greener now.

Stay away from the really cheap parts, and the really expensive parts in my opinion. The cheap parts are garbage, hence the bad customer service. Expensive parts are great, but not usually worth the price they are charging.

Learning how parts work and what settings do, is in your best interest. Learning how to quickly diagnose and repair problems is going to save you time and money in the long run. Windows software is harder to use at first because it's far more sophisticated than Mac OS. Mac OS does general things very well without much input from the user, but Windows is made to do everything and so it is sometimes necessary to tweak settings so it fits your needs.
 
  04 April 2017
Originally Posted by PhoenixCG: Mac OS does general things very well without much input from the user, but Windows is made to do everything and so it is sometimes necessary to tweak settings so it fits your needs.


I can agree with this but it's still hilarious, for this very reason many users are shifting from Vray to easier engine like Corona and similar(especially before 3.4version). Most of the new engines out there can do far less things than Vray(and often much slower) but they do that easily and all users agree on the fact that they prefer to spend their time creating CG stuff rater than messing with thousand settings.
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  04 April 2017
Not comparable. If people doesn't need the "whole" capability of Vray then they have more choice and can choose a more performer tool for the more specific job they do.
But the simpler thing needs to perform, that Mac isn't.

Also i don't think there are "cheap" problems, neither company problems.

But there are model problems.
HP, Acer, Asus etc all have had lemons and good products. My brother have a 300 euro HP laptop for 3 years or so and it is still going okay.

The major important choice in hardware is the motherboard. That should be chosen carefully and be made a web search for feedback.

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  04 April 2017
Hi,

I was using Mac Book Pro 17" and I still remember, in 2004 when I took last PC system from my wife. I gave her also Mac Book Pro and left PC system completely and after that till now... she never complained my system is hang or email not working....!!!

Many years now, using Mac Pro (tower case) old system but still like a "Arabian Horse". Many times I thought for new PC system for 3D but no idea.... mind is not going there. I know its expensive but peace of mind is important....!!!

Fully trust on Mac.


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  04 April 2017
Originally Posted by iac: ... "Arabian Horse".... I know its expensive but peace of mind is important....!!! Fully trust on Mac....

The melodrama is now full grotesque. Nobody here is forcing you guys to use PCs, could the sobs and whining stop? Isn't there a dedicated support group? Are these threads here absolutely necessary?
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  04 April 2017
Originally Posted by laurent: The melodrama is now full grotesque. Nobody here is forcing you guys to use PCs, could the sobs and whining stop? Isn't there a dedicated support group? Are these threads here absolutely necessary?


Why are you sensitive? All products have good and bad. You are personalizing this way too much.

I see a similar reaction from a couple of users here when I criticize Mac. We are just talking about computers, not somebody's mother. Lighten up.
 
  01 January 2018
So my take on this as a home worker†is that if one of my machine blows up I can pop to the local Apple store, buy a new machine and be up running ina few hours. My experience with pc failure is days out and lost clients. You canít just go buy a new workstation.†

As for horsepower...a renderfarm makes buying a crazy †multi core machine a bit redundant in some ways. I only use all my power for test renders then itís off to the farm while I do something more productive than have my machine out for days

I do have multiple machines now pc and Mac but one thing I.ve decided is looking after a machines drivers etc is really really boring so Iíd rather pay Apple to just keep it running for the most part. Definitely something to be said about controlling the hardware and software. †now if they can just keep up a better update cycle but with this new c4d and E-gpu update coming we may have a short term solution!

as as for the cost of Apple machines. If you are using it for work reasons....itís tax deductible and well even the iMac Pro is not that expensive compared to a self built with a 5k screen... but people do gasp when you say youíve just ordered a £10,000 computer... but people buy a 30k taxi or Van and they wonít have Apple resale value in a year when the modular Mac Pro arrives

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  01 January 2018
I really do not give a lot about this pc mac war.

I worked on both systems.

But what I do not understand is, why a lot of† the apple people that switch to pc don't buy propper workstations like HP's for example with propper service. Like 24 Hour service and so on and then complain about bay quality hardware and bad support.

I don't want to blame anyone but I really would like to know. For a mac they would have just paid it.

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  01 January 2018
Originally Posted by Jops: I really do not give a lot about this pc mac war.

I worked on both systems.

But what I do not understand is, why a lot of† the apple people that switch to pc don't buy propper workstations like HP's for example with propper service. Like 24 Hour service and so on and then complain about bay quality hardware and bad support.

I don't want to blame anyone but I really would like to know. For a mac they would have just paid
it.

best regards
Jops
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  01 January 2018
Fair comment..,†

just had a look on the UK Hp workstation site... they boast a 44 core machine or 2 but nothing in stock beyond an 8 core... donít even have an option to build ?!

I suppose itís a uk thing? I had an Armari pc that was very good but you had to send it back and it took a week
 
  01 January 2018
If you really need a gold standard service contract, i can recommend Hardsoft. They'll build you a custom PC to spec, check compatibility, and provide support. It's all on lease so you'll pay more than if you just bought and built yourself, but IMO it's worth the investment.
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  01 January 2018
Regarding service, there are all levels from absolutely nothing where you build the machine yourself, up to same day service. When My Dell screen started making a whining noise, I phoned them up at lunch time and they had a new screen at my house 3 hours later. If your work is so vital that a day without a machine is the end of the world, then buy the support package.
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