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Old 08-12-2013, 12:43 PM   #1
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Petition to get MSA memebrs access to late stage Betas

It would be nice if one of the perks of the MSA program was to be able to get access to later builds of the beta software prior to release. Especially now that it has been officially announced.

Has this ever been brought up? Worth a formal request to MAXON?

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Old 08-12-2013, 01:29 PM   #2
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The beta stage of an app's development is sometimes FAR from a release. Working with a small group of Beta testers help identify game stopper issues, but if you have too many testers you may not be able to get thought all the feedback coming in.

People have accused Autode$k of doing this very thing. Their Maya 2011-2012 releases were VERY buggy, and it was suspected they just pumped out the latest BETA as a final build just to make there NAB trade show date. Then we got 3-4 service pack updates to fix stuff that they KNEW was broken.

C4D is ROCK STABLE. What ever Maxon is doing in their beta program is working, I would not mess with it.

Last thing we want to have is "C4D R15.ServicePack8.Beta12052.Rev12.Master.82363.real ase34."
 
Old 08-12-2013, 01:39 PM   #3
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I can't see any value in that... Maybe you have a positive point I cannot see.
Here are my morose views on it:
It takes Maxon a lot of effort to set up a mechanism to provide that release.

There will be no one to listen to comments because the release plan is in place.

The beta team is in place doing a great job for quite some time on the new release.

And a thing or two can/will change till the last second. So whatever I install and play with is probably not what I will have in the end. Time wasted on my end...

So... nahhh... I am not really interested in an early release of the pre-release of the beta-release of the final-release 8)
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Old 08-12-2013, 02:33 PM   #4
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during the beta testing phase the actual file format is not locked down. this means that from day to day the work you do in one version can be made incompatible with newer/older versions of the software. for this reason it would probably be unwise for maxon to allow beta-versions into the real world. you can imagine the problems if people managed to loose their work even if the beta version came with some kind of disclaimer.

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Old 08-12-2013, 03:01 PM   #5
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I doubt it would be beneficial, as most people wouldn't take advantage of it in production anyway (too risky).
So, that'd be a lot of efforts for a minimal impact.
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Old 08-12-2013, 03:08 PM   #6
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Howdy,

Be patient. R15 will be here soon enough.

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Old 08-12-2013, 06:12 PM   #7
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If you look at the past, roughly a month or two after most major releases there's a point update that fixes a ton of bugs, so you could almost say the boxed version is a 'late beta' in a way.

That's not a dig at Maxon though, it's the same for Maya, ZBrush etc etc. The fact is that there are simply not enough hours in the day for beta testers to check every possible permutation of setting and situation (remember that most testers are working professionals, they don't get paid for the time they invest in testing). So in some sense it gets to a point where a company just has to release their app as is and let the user base have at it and find the bugs the testers missed. The important thing is that they respond quickly with that first point update and solve as many issues with it as possible. (Which traditionally they have).

For this reason I almost never start a major project with a 'V1' of any new release from any developer, it's usually just not worth the trouble. Of course it's important to use the V1 in some context though so that the bugs can be found, I just tend to tread lightly with them

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Does anyone know how they chose their beta testers? For example do you have to take a blood test, wrestle a bear, or be able to read and write?
 
Old 08-13-2013, 04:32 AM   #9
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Does anyone know how they chose their beta testers? For example do you have to take a blood test, wrestle a bear, or be able to read and write?


You have to be exceeding good looking and modest. Also helps if you know a thing or two about C4D and have some sort of public profile using C4D. That can either be using it professionally or being knowledgeable and helpful to others by answering questions.

The topic suggestion isn't a starter and there's no way Maxon would contemplate releasing a Beta version publicly. Maxon are to be commended for the way they deal with bugs and releasing robust versions. Sure a few bugs will get through but when you look at Luxology essentially using the public as beta testers as they release their new versions far too early and with limited testing all you end doing is pissing people off and having lots of complaints in the forums that xyz function doesn't work properly.
 
Old 08-13-2013, 07:30 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by nibeck
It would be nice if one of the perks of the MSA program was to be able to get access to later builds of the beta software prior to release. Especially now that it has been officially announced.

Has this ever been brought up? Worth a formal request to MAXON?

_mike

all that Maxon would need to do is not announce it until its ready.
so instead of waiting until September Maxon gave you a sneak peak
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Old 08-13-2013, 07:49 AM   #11
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Does anyone know how they chose their beta testers? For example do you have to take a blood test, wrestle a bear, or be able to read and write?


Blood test and bears, yes, but reiding and raiting is not nesiseree... neither is zpelling.
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Old 08-13-2013, 07:56 AM   #12
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Old 08-13-2013, 08:01 AM   #13
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Propellerheads do this with Reason (selected public beta testers). Everyone is aware that its not production ready and it does provide another layer of bug chasers. Personally think its a good idea as most MSA holders are more likely to test real world jobs (copies of) rather than just tinker.
 
Old 08-13-2013, 08:32 AM   #14
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it is a charming idea, but it is also very unlikely that maxon will adopt it. the main reason (and generally the only one too) why companies do not permit open access to their betas for existing customers is simply protectionism. they fear that either other companies will steal their precious ideas/work or problems of their product are revealed to their customers before they have bought it.

that the users inability to distinguish between a production ready final version and a WIP / beta version is the reason is a ridiculous explanation. there are numerous examples where companies successfully use an open bata process to evaluate their software. most prominent examples for 3d software would be rhino (McNeel) and of course blender (blender foundation). also that the c4d 'rock solid' stability (which i would question for the recent versions) is a direct result of the closed beta process, is a rather questionable statement, as experience and logic actually indicate the opposite (open betas do result in more stable products).
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Old 08-13-2013, 08:57 AM   #15
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Outside of the default NDA thing being easier to manage with people they know, it's also about managing expectations. Like it or not, a lot of people see betas as a sneak peek instead of bug hunting. And these aren't always about new features. You're supposed to pick up bugs of existing features as well, most of which aren't being brought up in the forums.

Discussions in forums are brought up in the beta, and that's actually where most of the violent arguments come from. Imagine if anyone can just go in and start raging for every little thing that they don't like about the software. They have parts of the software that they need to prioritize development time on, so it's near-impossible to find that you'll be testing features you've been waiting for ages. Mostly it's just frustration over frustration.

You can still try sending emails to Maxon reps and ask about getting in the beta. Just make sure that you have a good profile that shows you're proficient enough in C4D that you can chase bugs because they're real bugs, not just tagging things as bugs just because you don't know how to use a feature.
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