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Old 11-09-2012, 12:07 PM   #16
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yes I believe it will do. Although I think the RT upgrade might be a bit off yet and last time I read the 600 series weren't as optimised for GPU rendering but that might have changed. Im planning on getting a couple of shuttles and overclocking them using a H60 cooler when the next vray update is out with DR.
 
Old 11-09-2012, 12:50 PM   #17
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Those Shuttles look quite nice. If it could run as a Hackintosh I'd seriously consider it...

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tough one imo but overall I'd agree a shuttle is a better option. It's twice the height and a little wider, but for the same cost I can put a 3.4ghz quadcore. which isn't actually twice as fast, but it is faster. Id persónally opt for the power and configurability and most importantly upgradability, but if space was a more serious concern I could fit a lot more mac mini's in a tight space, assuming decent cooling.
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:05 PM   #18
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Those Shuttles look quite nice. If it could run as a Hackintosh I'd seriously consider it...

Please note that a serious number of crashes reported from OS X systems come from not correctly working hackintosh systems. Maxon can not provide support in those situations.
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I guess they're swell if your a hotshot freelancer who needs to carry around 2-3 units in a sleek and sexy case to impress clients.

I cant imagine Mac Minis are very cost effective against linux/windows based solutions, but they sure do look cool.

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Old 11-09-2012, 01:23 PM   #20
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Thanks for the heads up, Srek. Guess I know the easy answer to that then.

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Please note that a serious number of crashes reported from OS X systems come from not correctly working hackintosh systems. Maxon can not provide support in those situations.
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:24 PM   #21
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I guess they're swell if your a hotshot freelancer who needs to carry around 2-3 units in a sleek and sexy case to impress clients.

I cant imagine Mac Minis are very cost effective against linux/windows based solutions, but they sure do look cool.

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That's an insult, period.

Couldn't we once and forever agree on -not- to turn every
possible/impossible topic into a never ending Mac/PC discussion?

I'm sure people are informed more than enough what the
options are and adult enough to decide on what hardware/OS
they want to run.

Please, mods, be much harder on this.

The topic is the MAC MINI 2012 Specs.
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:38 PM   #22
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I apologize if that came off as an insult.

They are nice for small scale setups, and I do think the cases and the presentation are great.

I probably should have used a less sarcastic smiley face.
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What I wanted to write is that idea is very inspiring as I am
a "hotshot freelancer"(*) working my butt off at locations and one of
the big issues with that is transports.

I've been toying with the idea of a MacBook Pro's cluster
keeping travelling easier, but this MacMini rack looks like the ticket.

So far it's been that case that bringing at least two MacPro
work stations has been the only viable solution, getting rendering
power enough and also have the studio library within them (24TB).

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I agree, Lennart, that's exactly what I thought when I saw Graham's pic. You'd have x24 i7 cores in that one enclosure which looks about as big and probably as heavy as a Mac Pro. And 6 Mac minis, if you total up the RAM and storage, won't even cost as much as a top end Mac Pro!

What I like about the latest Mac mini is that it has shed the discreet graphics and has quad core without having to get the server edition. It's very small and very energy-efficient. Right now I VPN to my studio network to render on my minis when I'm out with my MBP, but that enclosure would make them very portable indeed. Having said that though, I've got this sinking feeling that the next rev Mac Pro that is supposed to come next year is going to be much smaller too...

I'm no system/network admin by any stretch of the imagination, so my personal preference for OSX is mainly because it lets me do things that would require far more technical knowhow on other platforms.
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Cool man,

I again apologize if I came off as too sarcastic. I didn't mean hotshot as an insult.

If your not tied to a Mac for FCP, you can get a PC alternative that's almost the same size as the Mac Mini.

http://www.neweggbusiness.com/Produ...N82E16811321017

This case would hold the intel 3770K 3.5gz, 16GB of RAM, and 2 HDD's for around $650. That chip scores a 7.5 in CB11.5. Since its unlocked, you might be able to squeeze more out of it.

It's 8" x 9" x 2.25", while the Mini is 7.7'' x 7.7'' x 1.4''.


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Old 11-09-2012, 03:58 PM   #26
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This is one situation where the mentality of pc's being cheaper just isn't accurate and misses the point a fair bit. Shuttle is the only model currently that comes even close to the Mac mini being the only miniitx supporting ivy bridge that I know of at double the size of a Mac mini. If you consider the cost of ram and os and CPU to put in that case/board it can have notably better specs but where they talk a out 6 of these you'd only have 3 in the same space. Even if you went with 6core ivy's the cost would go up considerably so you wouldn't be much cheaper than 6 Mac minis, while only having 18cores instead of 24. Your added speed per core would probably reach a similar final bench speed though.

I think the new Mac mini is an impressive little system and PC manufactures are. Of coming close to directly competing with it. Asus and dell and the likes that have a "competitor" model are relying on atom and m processors that simply don't cut it for our needs.
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Also, that mobile rack is just a box that holds 1U form factor server cases.

They do make dual ITX shallow form factor server cases that would give you the same level of density. If you know what your doing, you can most certainly come up with a PC or Linux based alternative for the Mini.

You could put two 3770K's in each case, and then put three cases in that box.

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Here is a picture of the back of the rig. It isn't that much to look at. There aren't any fans, the rack shelves have slots in them for the Mac Mini airflow. I could keep stacking these things up as needed. And this rig has one huge benefit over lugging around Mac Pros...it has wheels! No more slicing into your hands while lugging around the aluminum beasts.

Yes, this discussion isn't about anything other than Mac Minis. I'm busy. Time is money. I plug these things in, as many as I need, and they work. Hit render, and away they go. I don't have time to build and install and test. Also remember, the power supply is internal on the Mac Mini. Most other solutions have external power supplies that take up more space, generate more heat, and are just another point of failure.
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That's a neat setup! I'm one of those geeks that enjoy looking at well constrained cabling.

I'm not trying to troll the Mac Mini thread, I'm just passing on that there are high density mobile alternatives.

The PSU is always a point of failure, and most high end servers have a redundant PSU. When you start adding more and more nodes, your chances of a failure increase. The advantage of the openable cases is once a blade fails, you can pull it, swap the part, and get it back in service.

When its time to upgrade, you can also recycle most of the parts.

And yea, I had to haul around a lot of MacPro towers from my old job, and I sill have the red line marks on my hands .

Keep in mind that there are those of us who find building computers fun. If you can befriend one, and buy him or her beer, they might be happy to help you out.

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Here is a picture of the back of the rig. It isn't that much to look at. There aren't any fans, the rack shelves have slots in them for the Mac Mini airflow. I could keep stacking these things up as needed. And this rig has one huge benefit over lugging around Mac Pros...it has wheels! No more slicing into your hands while lugging around the aluminum beasts.

Yes, this discussion isn't about anything other than Mac Minis. I'm busy. Time is money. I plug these things in, as many as I need, and they work. Hit render, and away they go. I don't have time to build and install and test. Also remember, the power supply is internal on the Mac Mini. Most other solutions have external power supplies that take up more space, generate more heat, and are just another point of failure.


that looks super cool
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