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Old 09 September 2012   #16
Ebook/pdf/portable manual would be so much nicer than the Help-thingie (though it has its good uses also). Creating one oughta be Maxon's job, as its pretty painful to make one (I made one from the Xpresso and TP back in R11/11.5-days).
Edit: We're the only software with manual like gizmodo.com's commenting system: After thousands of unnecessary clicks you're utterly lost.
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Last edited by Hilt : 09 September 2012 at 07:34 AM. Reason: Add
 
Old 09 September 2012   #17
It might help if everyone interested in getting the manual in PDF made a request to Maxon.

Here's the english link:
http://www.maxon.net/en/support/suggestions.html
 
Old 09 September 2012   #18
Acrobat is still running through the conversion here but it's already way beyond page 3780.
Memory usage shows I have over 2.8 Gb to spare.
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Old 09 September 2012   #19
Acrobat has processed the help file but has reported the following errors:
Quote: General Error file:///Applications/MAXON/CINEMA%204D%20R13/help/US/html/__temp_.html
General Error file:///Applications/MAXON/CINEMA%204D%20R13/help/US/html/__temp_11563.html
General Error file:///Applications/MAXON/CINEMA%204D%20R13/help/US/html/__temp_5592.html
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General Error file:///Applications/MAXON/CINEMA%204D%20R13/help/US/html/ZMULTIPASS-ZMULTIPASS.html
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General Error file:///Applications/MAXON/CINEMA%204D%20R13/help/US/html/__temp_MOWORLDOBJECT.html
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General Error file:///Applications/MAXON/CINEMA%204D%20R13/help/US/html/__temp_OSCENEINSTANCE.html
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General Error file:///Applications/MAXON/CINEMA%204D%20R13/help/US/html/__temp_TCAWEIGHT-ID_CA_WEIGHT_TAG_JOINTS_GROUP.html
General Error file:///Applications/MAXON/CINEMA%204D%20R13/help/US/html/__temp_OMUSCLE_OBJECT.html
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General Error file:///Applications/MAXON/CINEMA%204D%20R13/help/US/html/__temp_TOOLBRUSHMORPH.html
General Error file:///Applications/MAXON/CINEMA%204D%20R13/help/US/html/__temp_11088.html
General Error file:///Applications/MAXON/CINEMA%204D%20R13/help/US/html/TLWORLD.html

I have no idea what that means but assume that perhaps some links within the pdf will fail.

Final file stats are: 225.5 Mb; 7,531 pages; dimensions 612 X 792.
I'm running size reduction at the mo but I'm not confident it will reduce much. When done I'll look at zipping it but how would I make this available?

OK, after size reduction and zipping I now have a file of 162.8 Mb. Now what?
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Last edited by avgas : 09 September 2012 at 12:59 PM.
 
Old 09 September 2012   #20
Sorry, this is a little off-topic, but I'm terribly curious. What exactly are the advantages of having a monolithic PDF over the currently tabulated, context-sensitive, hyperlinked, searchable and indexed help system, with sharp, zoomable images?
 
Old 09 September 2012   #21
@eikonoklastes:
I like to have the manual in PDF to, for example, carry it with me in my iPhone and do proper searches.
Also, in PDF format, I can segment it in different subjects.

@Avgas
Can you provide us/me with the resulting PDF?
You can send it over with wetransfer to rui_mac(at)ruimac.com
I will try to clean it up as much as possible.

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Old 09 September 2012   #22
Originally Posted by eikonoklastes: ...What exactly are the advantages of having a monolithic PDF over the currently tabulated, context-sensitive, hyperlinked, searchable and indexed help system, with sharp, zoomable images?


Toilet training.
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Old 09 September 2012   #23
Rui, did the file arrive?
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Old 09 September 2012   #24
No, not yet, Avgas :-(

@ernia
You reminded me the first time I read the whole Cinema4D manual (version 5.6)
It was all read in the toilette ;-)

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Old 09 September 2012   #25
Guys, the help is copyrighted by Maxon. While you are free to store it in any way you want for personal use you are not allowed to distribute copies to others.
So please just share the method, not the result of any conversion.
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Old 09 September 2012   #26
Ok, Björn. I will try to convert it again.
Anyway, could you tell us (if you know, of course) if the manual master file is done in an application like inDesign?
If it is, isn't it possible for Maxon to provide a PDF version to download?

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Old 09 September 2012   #27
Sorry, i don't know the details, but afaik the help is beeing created using a custom build database application that handles all version specific information, translation synchronization etc. It goes well beyond anything you can do with Indesign. We stopped using Indesign a couple of years ago (when we switched to online only help) since it was simply the wrong tool for the job.
The help realy isn't a linear document anymore so any attempt to convert it to a PDF will very likely make it less usefull.
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Old 09 September 2012   #28
Quote: Guys, the help is copyrighted by Maxon. While you are free to store it in any way you want for personal use you are not allowed to distribute copies to others.

Just as well then that wetransfer failed on several attempts. It never got beyond about 16% before it would reset back to 0%. Sorry, Rui.
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Old 09 September 2012   #29
e.g. for Sketch and Toon I printed the pdf manual from C4D 9.5 and I can completely use it also for R14
Jiri
 
Old 09 September 2012   #30
Same here, I printed S'n'T and TP and them nodes. Good for me they are not updated every decade.

Some prefer video tutorials, some the Help-thingie. I prefer oldschool manuals and written tutorials (I'm reading Vue 10.5 manual at the moment and learning way faster than if they had implemented C4D-style Help).
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