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Old 10-02-2013, 04:48 PM   #1
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Hey everyone! So this is my first attempt at a character model (head/bust, for now), well, technically my second, but that was back in '05 so I don't think it counts lol Anyhow, I've been a hard surface guy (cars mostly) for quite a while so I thought, why the hell not give something organic a try.

After maybe 6 or so hours, this is what I have so far. I plan on doing a little bit more refinement to the proportions tonight when I get home, but I'm pretty happy with those so far. The big thing I know needs work right now are the more subtle details, around the eyes, lips, nose, etc. Some I'll tweak with the existing topology and some I will take care of in ZBrush once I'm brave enough to take that leap lol Right now I don't want to get in too deep trying to actually re-work the topology because overall I'm pleased with the smoothness of the mesh.

So, what do you guys think?
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Old 10-02-2013, 05:21 PM   #2
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Nice job so far but...

Nice looking model, I can see the resemblance though I did think the topology in the lower jaw and corners of the mouth could be better, I'm just wondering how they will end past what you have so far, but as you are going into ZBrush I dunno how much difference this will make. As I'm still experimenting with my own topology this is just an observation.
 
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Nice looking model, I can see the resemblance though I did think the topology in the lower jaw and corners of the mouth could be better, I'm just wondering how they will end past what you have so far, but as you are going into ZBrush I dunno how much difference this will make. As I'm still experimenting with my own topology this is just an observation.


Thanks! Glad I'm on the right track then lol Yeah, the subtle crease just behind the corner of the lips just before the cheeks are something that I'm going to try to take care of in ZBrush. I thought about trying to take care of it in Max but I would have to reflow my topology and I'm trying not to get too side tracked with things that could easily done later with some brush strokes

So what part of the lower jaw are you referring to? Right now the side shot I found doesn't really show much past where I have it so I'm going to have to find another one or wing it to define the back part of the jaw and up to the ear itself.....that's going to be fun lol
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Your topology around the the lower chin area (below the bottom lip) flow towards the back of the head in a straight direction rather than rounding out chin area, but as mentioned this may not be a concern if going into ZBrush. I hop this explanation is more clear.
 
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Your topology around the the lower chin area (below the bottom lip) flow towards the back of the head in a straight direction rather than rounding out chin area, but as mentioned this may not be a concern if going into ZBrush. I hop this explanation is more clear.


Yes, very much so, thanks! I'll have a go at trying to tweak that in Max when I get home tonight. Nudging stuff around is fine, I just didn't want to fuss with cutting in new edges and working out where they go lol
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Old 10-03-2013, 06:50 AM   #6
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Definitely looks like her, nice start and great subject if I may add

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Thanks! Glad I'm on the right track then lol Yeah, the subtle crease just behind the corner of the lips just before the cheeks are something that I'm going to try to take care of in ZBrush. I thought about trying to take care of it in Max but I would have to reflow my topology and I'm trying not to get too side tracked with things that could easily done later with some brush strokes

So what part of the lower jaw are you referring to? Right now the side shot I found doesn't really show much past where I have it so I'm going to have to find another one or wing it to define the back part of the jaw and up to the ear itself.....that's going to be fun lol


Your model looks good, but I have to disagree about trying to take care of the crease in Z-brush.

I am a firm believable of always starting with a good topology, especially for deformable & animatable meshes like the human face. I would go as far as said, go for a proper mesh topology before even attempting to make it looks like the person you wanted to model.

Also, a tip, unless you are very pro, the best way to work, base on my personal experience, is the maximise what you can do in the base mesh, divide it, then repeat on the higher mesh to make it as close as your desired face, before divide, repeat until the desired detail are realise.

The mistake, is to make very dense model (multiple sub divisions), from a basic mesh, & try to do all the detailing on the highest level. (Unless you are pro of course)

Also to note, in order, in very simplify terms,
1) Form & proportion (General shape, e.g. Is eyes right place in the face, right size. right shape? done normally in base and lower res meshes)
2) Features (Here, character take the form, Done normally in mid res meshes)
3) Details. (Like wrinkles, the lines on the lips etc. Done normally in higher res meshes)

I would advice as a first step, to add some loops around the eyes & mouth.
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The likeness is good. I have to agree with PKD here. Basic details like larger creases and folds can be added quite simply on an organic Sub-D model. 3DS's Graphite tools make it easy to insert and space extra loops so they don't interrupt your overall mesh flow.
 
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Yeah, I think I'm going to work out a few more things as you suggested lol I tried bringing it into ZBrush last night and it uh, didn't go so well I'm still going to do the super subtle things like skin irregularities and the vertical details in the lips, but that will be later.

I'll do everything I possibly can in Max first for this one. Maybe for my next project I'll bring it into ZBrush sooner, but when I'm better at using that software.

I think I'm going to start by doing a (near) complete re-topology, building in better support for the areas around the mouth and eyes.

@Telemachus

Yes, Graphite, formerly know as Polyboost are an amazing set of tools I've been using them since before Autodesk bought them. Oddly enough, I never really used anything under the freeform tab. Paint deform has been quite invaluable for making adjustments that soft selection and FFDs haven't been able to help me with. It's like ZBrush for noobs. Very basic, but still so useful!

Thanks for the feedback gents!
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Oh and cobra6, I agree I figure hey, if I'm going to stare at a face for hours on end, I could certainly do worse lol
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Once you have a good base topology, you can always reuse it to shape your next characters. So your next character can get into detailing much faster.

Except for my first few models, all the rest, I have reuse mesh asserts in some way or another, refining them as I see fit, or when required.
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