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  02 February 2009
Originally Posted by Saurus: I find Emily Carr students more rounded.


As artists, not in 3d/CG.

Originally Posted by Saurus: VFS doesn't have art background requirements, they only require you to have the money.


These days plenty of talented people walk into VFS with enough cash. They pick the most promising from that pool. Cash is the cover charge, but you have to prove you're not going to be dead weight.

Originally Posted by Saurus: Only those who are already good in art accelerate in VFS.

People with strong art backgrounds have the advantage in areas that are considered strictly artistic such as Modeling or Matte painting. Rigging, Effects, Comp and (In my opinion) even character animation evens the playing field slightly.


Originally Posted by Saurus: Plus, some companies in particular game companies with corporate background requires people to have bachelor degree...*snip*

Degrees come into play when looking for work internationally. As does citizenship and residency. Emily Carr would help you with the former, not the latter. To get work in Vancouver, residency and citizenship is the key. I have worked with exceptionally few people that have degrees.

Originally Posted by Saurus: *snip*... to move up to position like producers

You are just as likely to become a producer from going through a business school as you are an art school.
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  02 February 2009
Originally Posted by VisualNightmare: Having attended Emily Carr myself, I can say its a great Fine Arts School, in a fantastic location. I cant speak for there 3d program, or its requirements, but Fine Arts at Emily Carr is not easy to get into without a substantial background in art, or some serious self taught skills.



So do you recomend Emily Carr for a bachelor and a good preparation for VFS?
I see that you are studying at VFS, do you applied there more with your empirical knowledge or more with the knowledge adquired in Emily Carr?

Im not excellent in drawing, but i learn easily with practice, and what i want to do is work more in the computer than drawing.
 
  02 February 2009
Originally Posted by nkr10: Hi, im a 18 year student and since 2months ago ive been wondering about my future and i cant make up my mind.


Im looking for a school for 3D animation and vissual effects, im aplying for EMILY CARR in vancouver, but my real goal is to go to VFS or GOBELINS.
The problem is that VFS is just a diploma and i want to have a bachelor documents, just for any situation that it would be helpfull, like if i want to teach, or if a job oportunity ask me for it.

If somebody can advice me i will apreciate it very much. I have 2 principal options:


EMILY CARR - Vancouver, CANADA

FULL SAIL - Florida, USA

What do you think about that schools?

And in terms of animation learning what would you choose: Canada or USA?

If you have any other suggested school please tell me.

Thanks


depends on where you want to work. if you have a time to spend
get real school with bachelor on it.
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  02 February 2009
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Originally Posted by Saurus
I find Emily Carr students more rounded.


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Originally Posted by MikeRhone
As artists, not in 3d/CG.

You should go to emily carr and check out their stuff during graduation day.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Saurus
VFS doesn't have art background requirements, they only require you to have the money.



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Originally Posted by MikeRhone
These days plenty of talented people walk into VFS with enough cash. They pick the most promising from that pool. Cash is the cover charge, but you have to prove you're not going to be dead weight.

That's right. If you got talent, you should excel in VFS. I feel sorry for those people who spends thousands of dollars and go no where because they don't have what it takes to be in the industry. VFS doesn't have any screening. All they require is that you have the money and I think that is wrong.


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Originally Posted by Saurus
Only those who are already good in art accelerate in VFS.


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Originally Posted by MikeRhone
People with strong art backgrounds have the advantage in areas that are considered strictly artistic such as Modeling or Matte painting. Rigging, Effects, Comp and (In my opinion) even character animation evens the playing field slightly.

Don't know about rigging, but Effect and comp can use a bit of artistic knowledge. When you take composition, colour theory, etc, I think knowledge of art helps. Character animators can use a bit of acting knowledge. I know a couple of animators who took acting because of animation. To think about it, it would help riggers if they know a bit of acting since they have to mimic facial movements.

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Originally Posted by Saurus
Plus, some companies in particular game companies with corporate background requires people to have bachelor degree...*snip*


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Originally Posted by MikeRhone
Degrees come into play when looking for work internationally. As does citizenship and residency. Emily Carr would help you with the former, not the latter. To get work in Vancouver, residency and citizenship is the key. I have worked with exceptionally few people that have degrees.

Actually it's happening in Vancouver too. In order to be a producer at Radical, you have to have a degree. And I wouldn't be surprise if this is the same case for EA because they also have a corporate structure. Small FX studios , which Vancouver has a lot and privately owned game companies doesn't require any sort of degree.

I least if you don't make in the industry, I sure that degree should help you else where.


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Originally Posted by Saurus
*snip*... to move up to position like producers


Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeRhone
You are just as likely to become a producer from going through a business school as you are an art school.

Read my comment above
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  02 February 2009
Originally Posted by nkr10:
Im not excellent in drawing, but i learn easily with practice, and what i want to do is work more in the computer than drawing.

Hmm the art school that I got my BFA at did have entry portfolio requirements.
I would thinks EC would be the same. Do you have anything like one?
 
  02 February 2009
Originally Posted by circusboy: Hmm the art school that I got my BFA at did have entry portfolio requirements.
I would thinks EC would be the same. Do you have anything like one?




Yes, one of the requirements is a portfolio with 15 works.. I do have a portfolio, well I think i'm missing like 4 works but this week ill be working on it. The advantage is that it could include works like photography, sculpture, computer art(photshop, etc.)..

But, how strictly is the revision of it (when you sent yours)?
 
  02 February 2009
Originally Posted by nkr10: So do you recomend Emily Carr for a bachelor and a good preparation for VFS?
I see that you are studying at VFS, do you applied there more with your empirical knowledge or more with the knowledge adquired in Emily Carr?

Im not excellent in drawing, but i learn easily with practice, and what i want to do is work more in the computer than drawing.


Emily Carr, or any art school is good preparation for a learning environment like VFS, in my opinion. I cant speak for the program at VFS, as I'm still a few months from starting. But my advice would be to figure out how you learn and what type of learning environment you need to get better at what you do. Then decide on a school that best meets your need.
 
  11 November 2009
Originally Posted by kelgy:
I knew someone who was expelled because he did a prosthetic makeup appliance for one assignment.



A quick preamble, now I'm studing at Emily Carr, it is just the foundation year but I like it, I've been improving my drawing skills and also my english, but the latter is still bad.

Is that true? that somebody was expelled for that? a teachers told us that a girl did a sculpture out of crap for an assignment and for another "project" she ran naked carring something damaging the walls, then she stopped at the front desk, she peed and menstruated on the floor; and of course recorded everything. And I think she is still there, she just got a lecture for not filling a form-permit to use the building instalations.
 
  11 November 2009
Originally Posted by nkr10: a teachers told us that a girl did a sculpture out of crap for an assignment and for another "project" she ran naked carring something damaging the walls, then she stopped at the front desk, she peed and menstruated on the floor; and of course recorded everything. And I think she is still there, she just got a lecture for not filling a form-permit to use the building instalations.


thats gross...

i'm glad i went to vfs
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  11 November 2009
If you really want a bachelor's degree, don't rule out Sheridan College in Ontario (I think it's the only one in Canada that offers a bachelor's in animation). I would suggest you check out their site and gallery and decide if its something you're interested in as well.
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  11 November 2009
Originally Posted by nkr10: And I think she is still there, she just got a lecture for not filling a form-permit to use the building instalations.


** I'm glad I wasnt there. I know in the mid 90s someone had made a lamp out of a road killed cat and I heard someone else in Foundation did a project where they set up a car battery with a bucket of water and shot themselves in the arm(with a gun) and then dared people to knock over the bucket and electrocute them. I assume that sort of thing goes on more in Foundation year than later on.

I think it tolerates traditional art if its "clever" but if its "craft" they dont like it-although the guy who got expelled was in the 1980s. And the guy who told me about it teached at VFS later on.
EC still doesnt have a traditional plasticine figure sculpting and moldmaking course according to their calender(unlike Toronto's major art school). EC used to be Vancouver School of Art--always wondered why they changed the name, seems kind of exclusive to name it after a particular artist.
If it was accomodating to traditional art then it wouldnt have such competition from VFS and others. And now its a university isnt it?


Well the campus is nice at least.
If you drop into Dragonspace, look for some mermaid birdbaths--I know the artist well.

Last edited by kelgy : 11 November 2009 at 06:41 AM.
 
  11 November 2009
Originally Posted by kelgy: ** I'm glad I wasnt there. I know in the mid 90s someone had made a lamp out of a road killed cat and I heard someone else in Foundation did a project where they set up a car battery with a bucket of water and shot themselves in the arm(with a gun) and then dared people to knock over the bucket and electrocute them. I assume that sort of thing goes on more in Foundation year than later on.


EC still doesnt have a traditional plasticine figure sculpting and moldmaking course according to their calender(unlike Toronto's major art school). EC used to be Vancouver School of Art--always wondered why they changed the name, seems kind of exclusive to name it after a particular artist.
If it was accomodating to traditional art then it wouldnt have such competition from VFS and others. And now its a university isnt it?
Well the campus is nice at least.
If you drop into Dragonspace, look for some mermaid birdbaths--I know the artist well.




That is sick :|, I have to ask that to somebody in the school, there are some strange things there and all the school is full with painting and graffiti (that is not always nice, specially if you are new, as me the first time I saw the campus).

Is Dragonspace the store next to the public market? It is full with medieval and fairy art right? I've seen it just passing by, I will go there tomorrow thank you.

And I will start sculpture this week but I'm not sure about the focus of the course.
 
  11 November 2009
Originally Posted by nkr10: That is sick :|, I have to ask that to somebody in the school, there are some strange things there and all the school is full with painting and graffiti (that is not always nice, specially if you are new, as me the first time I saw the campus).

Is Dragonspace the store next to the public market? It is full with medieval and fairy art right? I've seen it just passing by, I will go there tomorrow thank you.

And I will start sculpture this week but I'm not sure about the focus of the course.


**yep that's the store.

Hopefully they will let you use oil based clay and not just ceramic clay in the course.
 
  11 November 2009
nevermind, didn't realize how old this thread was.
 
  11 November 2009
I hope so, and I went to the store and didn't find the birdbath " ( haha but I really liked all the stuff there.
 
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