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  07 July 2011
Sand Splash Effect

I've been working on a shot were an SUV lands on sand and the tires shoot the sand up and out as the tire lands, but whatever I try it doesn't look right.

I've tried setting up a pflow and plugging that into FumeFX, but it comes out looking to much like smoke (maybe I'm using too much turbulence?). I've also tried using the pflow to plug into Krakatoa but it doesn't look right either, it's not staying together like sand does.

A clip I'm using for reference (starting about 0:34), http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCW0mY9fyWw

Any suggestions on a good approach to this would be very much appreciated.
 
  07 July 2011
Particles - Fume - Particles follow - Krakatoa is the usual route for these. You have to make sure your particles emit the fume smoke in an interesting enough pattern - I usually do that with a cell-displaced geosphere slice. Then do a realtively low-res fume sim, and run a lot of particles through it with fume follow in PF. Then you partition these with Krakatoa, and you'll need a lot of partitions to get the right particle count. Then render up with the right lighting in Krakatoa, and it will work
 
  07 July 2011
Thanks Hristo for the workflow, that was my initial idea for what I should do. Can you explain what you mean by the "cell-displaced geosphere slice"?

And do you have any tips for the pflow->fume part to make the movement act more like sand than smoke?
 
  07 July 2011
I often use for emitter a geosphere, that i slice withe the slice modifier, to get the piece facing in the direction of the splash. Then I put a displace on top, and put a cellular map in it. Then I place particles on it, and i give them velocity by the distance to the pivot - so I get a nice shaped splash. That's in TP or box3, its tougher in vanilla pflow, but you still can use just the geosphere with the cell map on top, to place particles on it and shoot it from the surface, it will still give you some better splash shape.
 
  07 July 2011
Thanks for the explanation, I'll try to put it to use in my scene.
 
  07 July 2011
Also try emitting A LOT of smoke, like 1000 from the emitter or so, then putting your render opacity down to 0.01 or whatever you need. That will give the smoke more mass. Maybe the variable density solver could help here too, but I haven't played around enough with it to know.
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  07 July 2011
There is a pretty cool Box#3 preset for sand splashes that i used extensively on Priest called PeakOfSpawn by depleteD:

http://www.orbaz.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1427

That one in connection with the KeepApart operator with negative forces gets you pretty decent splashes without even simming any fluids. The trick is to spawn a few particles with the peakofspawn > spawn a LOT of particles and use the KeepApart pointed at the first event with the small amount of particles but the nice motion. Renders crazy fast. I rendered Krakatoa passes and a geometry pass as well with just sphere shapes, then it's mushed all together in comp...

EDIT: added a viewport preview. needs love on the keep apart but you get the idea. viscosity fake and clumping without plugins pretty much (if you handle your spawn without box#3). did that on my notebook, its super fast...

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Anselm
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  07 July 2011
@floopyb: Thanks for the tips. I'm getting some nice motion in my tests, but it still looks like smoke more than sand.

@PsychoSilence: That looks awesome. I'll have to play around with that workflow and maybe do a fume sim to add some wispy sand to it.
 
  09 September 2011
Hey Mike, I was also trying some r&d sand splash, not getting so fancy results as with the box tools that Anselm mentioned above but maybe could help.
What I did was create a wetmap of the surface, so everytime a bullet shell hitted it, it bumped particles. Easy uh? here is a video of the preview, you can try krakatoa to render them..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW_rW2cnKH4

here is a ss of the thing so u guys can check.. raw preview render (barelly can see the sand but trust me its there, maybe a vid of it could help to see the motion of it..)

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-image...s07dcgtalk.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/846/shells07dcgtalk.jpg/

imageshack always tricks me :t

cheers guys
 
  09 September 2011
That looks promising. Could be cool to see it rendered with krakatoa
 
  09 September 2011
Originally Posted by PsychoSilence: There is a pretty cool Box#3 preset for sand splashes that i used extensively on Priest called PeakOfSpawn by depleteD:


This looks pretty interesting but the preset and scene file are both crashing my max 2010 64 on load - is it something to do with it being box 3 1.0 instead of box 1.5 pro?
 
  09 September 2011
No, the Setup from Andrew was done with the old Box#3 but i would update it regardless. Well worth the update price!
 
  09 September 2011
Just paid for the upgrade now - hopefully this'll work nicely! At the minute I'm in object on sea surface spash hell with realwae not being great for some aspects and speed by surface to make sloshing effects being really sluggish with my machine power and the number of particles I'd need for a decent render - eek!
 
  09 September 2011
Might make a tut for that TP/Krakatoa/PF/FFX approach
 
  09 September 2011
And for the surface - you might make a sim in a plane, with some turbulences and so on, then project it on the surface - place it above, then shoot a ray down, get the pos.z and give that to the particle - will work faster and be partitionable. You can even do it in Krakatoa, there is raycasting in KCM too
 
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