Deepfakes (inserting another person's face into video) is causing Fake-Porn problems

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Deepfakes (inserting another person's face into video) is causing Fake-Porn problems

As most are probably aware, there is now a deep learning app that lets you put celebrity faces into videos and movies they were not actually in:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42975101

Problem is, lots of people on the internet have started inserting famous faces - including Daisy Ridley of Star Wars and Emma Watson - into highly explicit porn videos.

A number of online video hosters have announced a blanket ban on the non-consensual XXX videos including - perhaps surprisingly - Pornhub.

Personally, I am concerned that this technology will be eventually be used to frame people for crimes they did not commit.

For example, you have CCTV footage of someone committing a violent crime. What happens when someone else's face is pasted into this CCTV footage, and the wrong person is accused of the crime as a result?
 
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Originally Posted by skeebertus: Personally, I am concerned that this technology will be eventually be used to frame people for crimes they did not commit.

For example, you have CCTV footage of someone committing a violent crime. What happens when someone else's face is pasted into this CCTV footage, and the wrong person is accused of the crime as a result?
I see deepfake as a kind of inoculation against this. It was already possible, but the effort restricted it to a very few. Now with the publicity deepfake got it will be hard for anyone to push an agenda using faked footage, on the contrary i hope that the whole dunghole of revenge porn gets blown away by this. If anything can be made look real the actual reality will need more than a single voice to be heard.
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  1 Week Ago
Originally Posted by skeebertus: Personally, I am concerned that this technology will be eventually be used to frame people for crimes they did not commit.

For example, you have CCTV footage of someone committing a violent crime. What happens when someone else's face is pasted into this CCTV footage, and the wrong person is accused of the crime as a result?

Simple - you claim you are a victim of a Deepfake, and then show the Jury a video of Emma Watson to prove your point (luckily I saved them for this eventuality). Perversely, Deepfake will get wrongun's off the hook now.

Edit - also I remember years ago on this very website, a guy who was producing incredible copies of celebrities. They were insanely real if I recall. And nude too. I think the only missing part was the hair. All the 'celebrities' were bald. ( as in head btw )
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  1 Week Ago
In most western societies CCTV footage alone was never legally sufficient
(in the absense other compelling forensics),to
even indict someone let alone convict them.
With this tech  it becomes even less legally credible.
 
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But I have to say some folks have been putting some Hollywood FX companies to shame with this.
It took Hollywood 100,000s or millions to remove Henry Cavill's mustache and it took folks a few pictures an a 500 dollar PC to do almost as good if not better in some areas than Hollywood.

This technology can be used for good but of course every technology is moved forward by porn.    Video, Internet, Streaming, DVDs, VR etc all advanced by porn.  Now AI and robots are being advanced by and for porn.  
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We all know is quite different a 1080p compressed video and a movie screen. It looks good on a pc monitor but will it look as good on a movie screen?
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  1 Week Ago
probably will be no different than photoshopped pictures

Not many people believe they're real
 
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It's our industry. If you can't spot a fake almost immediately, you're in the wrong field.

Spoiler alert: almost everything the mainstream shows us is already fake, altered, or doctored in some way. From photos of Hitler to JFK's autopsy to Sharon Tate's murder to 9/11. This has always been true, throughout history. All the major events of the century have been altered in some way or another - look at any photos or footage of the fake nuclear bombings and tests sometime, for example. If you study them and watch them with a critical eye and still think they're real, sorry. You suck at CGI.
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  1 Week Ago
Originally Posted by ilovekaiju: It took Hollywood 100,000s or millions to remove Henry Cavill's mustache and it took folks a few pictures an a 500 dollar PC to do almost as good if not better in some areas than Hollywood.


There is a Cavill mustache joke about this in the Deadpool 2 trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiEThbdN7qA

To be fair, deep learning software can do some things in seconds that would take a human team a month to do.

Once you have developed the right technique, just about anything can be automated.
 
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Originally Posted by grrinc: Edit - also I remember years ago on this very website, a guy who was producing incredible copies of celebrities. They were insanely real if I recall. And nude too. I think the only missing part was the hair. All the 'celebrities' were bald. ( as in head btw )
I think I remember that guy. There was a discussion about fake actors or something and I remember people saying he had already created perfect doppelgangers and he said something like they aren't as real-looking as people think--photo wrapping--but they did look amazing.

And there was a voice creation software that can do something similar with people's voices.
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Originally Posted by sentry66: probably will be no different than photoshopped pictures

Not many people believe they're real
Apparently many people DO believe that "photoshopped" pictures are real. One word: Instagram!
 
  1 Week Ago
I am still disappointed that I haven't yet seen any clips from Star Wars in which the entire cast have been replaced by XXX performers. I've personally never understood the fascination with celebrity likenesses, or the desire to replace a perfectly attractive face with a more recognizable one. I wonder how many people are using this to put their own face onto the performers?
I also agree that as this tech becomes more widely known it should raise awareness of just how many ways there are to manipulate images and video. I haven't messed around with this yet (mainly because I have an AMD GPU) but does it only work on human faces?
 
 
  1 Week Ago
I watched a detailed tutorial of it.
You are supposed to have around 5000 photos for best results--screen captures of different angles, facial poses,  lighting conditions.

Interesting how automated it is--there appears to be no artistic requirements or manual tweaking.
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Originally Posted by kelgy: You are supposed to have around 5000 photos for best results--screen captures of different angles, facial poses,  lighting conditions.

This is why @moogaloonie idea won´t work. The facial poses of male porn actors are quite limited I guess. On the other hand, if you are going to replace Arnold in any given movie, you are good to go.
 
  6 Days Ago
Originally Posted by masterofacid: This is why @moogaloonie idea won´t work. The facial poses of male porn actors are quite limited I guess. On the other hand, if you are going to replace Arnold in any given movie, you are good to go.
There are a few that have went semi-legit or simply have been around so long you should be able to easily find them outside of their explicit works.  I bet there are enough pictures of e.g. Ron Jeremy, from mainstream cameos and interviews, to replace Arnold.  And who wouldn't want to see Ron Jeremy as the Terminator? (ewwww!) But I see where you are coming from here, and it gives me a better sense of how this works...
I just worry that this tech will get such a bad reputation that it won't mature as fast as it otherwise might. I do think this is the tech that leads us eventually to the holodeck though... "Computer: Star Wars.  Replace Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford with Burt Reynolds and Dom Deluise, circa 1977. Replace John Williams' score with songs in the style of Jerry Reed. Make it funny. Run program."
 
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