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Old 11-04-2013, 02:37 PM   #16
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Wow! I’m... just.. thanks very much for all your responses.

About the passport and getting past the borders, I have actually been to England before without a visa, A “Right of Abode” is a nifty little stamp thing that basically lets you go and come as you please, just like a citizen. You can “live and work here without restriction”(UKBA).

@ liegh :I realize bureaucracy is universal but Nigerians get very bad treatment in this department (‘cause of all the er ..(whispers)fraud). My mother only got her citizenship a few years ago in England after being unable to get it from Nigeria for decades- very long story- anyway, a British lawyer helped with it and his advice about mine was to use the “Right of Abode” to get across and apply from there. I would have liked to apply years ago, but it really is very hard to be taken seriously from here, even with all the right documents.

About the reel: Thanks for all the advice, darkherow, leigh, dneg, I will choose more sensible, realistic pieces for my reel and will spend time learning match move/tracking. I guess it’s up to me to make it good so I’m not the guy who stays a runner for years. The word politics scares me, I’m an introvert, and a foreigner. Good to know so many successful people started as runners though, that’s encouraging.

Yeah, London is expensive can’t be overstated, fortunately, I’m grateful to have a solid offer of some financial help to get started. And as per leigh’s advice I’ll try to get some kind of job as quickly as possible while I try break in.

Thanks again for all advice, encouragement, and good wishes.
Hope you're all doing great!
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Old 11-04-2013, 06:16 PM   #17
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What actually is a 'runner' anyway? I am assume it is a skivvy right? What does one have to do to break away from runner status and move on up? What qualities are looked for and how common or rare is it for a runner to break through?


They're definitely not skivvies, and I would strongly advise anyone working in the VFX industry to disabuse themselves of that idea.

In terms of advancement it depends on the company. The big London VFX houses hire runners with an eye to their potential as future VFX artists/producers. If we just wanted cleaners then we'd just hire cleaners - at interview it's important to show aptitude and enthusiasm for VFX. In terms of how often people make the jump from runner to production crew - just this week alone three people are moving permanently from the runner staff at Dneg into the roto department.

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Old 11-04-2013, 06:28 PM   #18
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They're definitely not skivvies, and I would strongly advise anyone working in the VFX industry to disabuse themselves of that idea.

In terms of advancement it depends on the company. The big London VFX houses hire runners with an eye to their potential as future VFX artists/producers. If we just wanted cleaners then we'd just hire cleaners - at interview it's important to show aptitude and enthusiasm for VFX. In terms of how often people make the jump from runner to production crew - just this week alone three people are moving permanently from the runner staff at Dneg into the roto department.


Does that mean you have positions available?
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Old 11-04-2013, 06:29 PM   #19
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What actually is a 'runner' anyway? I am assume it is a skivvy right?


Just a note: Using one euphemism to describe another euphemism is probably not a good idea. "Skivvy" in UK apparently means some kind of maid or cleanup service, while in USA it means "underwear."

BTW, OP's last response is a good example of how anyone should respond when asking questions on any forum (instead of the usual "asking a question, getting tons of responses, and never posting again or thanking responders').
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Old 11-04-2013, 08:57 PM   #20
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The word politics scares me, I’m an introvert, and a foreigner. Good to know so many successful people started as runners though, that’s encouraging.


The good news is that most people is this industry are introverts. If you're always polite and eager, you don't need to be particularly gregarious. It's important to get to know people, but if you listen more than you talk, that's totally ok. Just be sure you don't totally fade into the woodwork; make a point of asking people how there day is going and so on.
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Old 11-04-2013, 09:19 PM   #21
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The good news is that most people is this industry are introverts.

I can't comment on the regions you worked in, or companies you worked for, but I strongly disagree about the "most" if you relate it to the whole industry.
The staggering majority of the people I've worked with are anything but your stereotypical introvert/shy artist or Asperger's engineer.

Australia possibly doesn't count, since this is a country that due to a mix of phenomenal weather, abundant beaches, and a mix of European food and Brit pub culture has people spending more time outdoors than they do sleeping, but even everywhere else I worked it was always a very small minority of the staff that was people shy, even the most junior of staff.
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Old 11-04-2013, 09:20 PM   #22
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The good news is that most people is this industry are introverts.


I don't think I agree with that, actually. In my own experience, most of the people I've worked with over the years have not even remotely been anything like the stereotypical CG geek. Most of my peers have been sociable, friendly and outgoing. It makes it a nice environment to work in.
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Old 11-04-2013, 09:21 PM   #23
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Ha, Raff and I replied at the same time.
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Old 11-04-2013, 09:52 PM   #24
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I can't comment on the regions you worked in, or companies you worked for, but I strongly disagree about the "most" if you relate it to the whole industry.
The staggering majority of the people I've worked with are anything but your stereotypical introvert/shy artist or Asperger's engineer.


I haven't had a quarter the industry experience of either you or Leigh, and it's certainly possible chance and geography have skewed my view (the Bay Area is kinda a nerdy place). That being said, it's perfectly possible to be introverted without being anywhere close to your stereotypical Asperger's engineer. I've never worked with anyone I'd consider anti-social, and things were always relaxed and friendly during lunch or other breaks. However, most of the people I've met are definitely on the quite side, and definitely need quite a bit of time alone to be happy.
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Don't get me wrong by the way, it's the generalization across the industry I disagree with; I'm sure that as far as your experience goes you were sincere, I see no reason for it to be otherwise.

I haven't worked in the Bay Area, but LA, even Cali in general, was a fair bit more insular and "boys club" (being a foreigner contributed) than anywhere else I've been though I wouldn't go as far as saying people were introvert as much as had more of a tendency to cluster up in interest groups of sorts.

Considering the OP is talking about London though I'm quite positive he won't have the problem If it's even a problem anyway. London is a city most people live through rather than live in, the VFX scene there is massively international, nomadic, and generally fairly social, with each shop "owning" one or two pubs. It's not a shy city and it tends to lead people to being the same in my experience

I'm not posting this for the sake of arguing on the internet by the way, it's more that in London networking socially is a major part of chasing work, so it's healthy to know that you shouldn't approach it like you would a bunch of introverts.
Only "warning" I would give to your average person coming from African or Mediterranean cultures is that on average people aren't quite as physical as you might be used to.
Outside of the tube or some pubs, where efficient packing and uncomfortable armpit2nose scenarios are inevitable, it's best to remember that the British culture isn't quite as used to the patting, hugging, arm linking, kissing and all that which might be considered the norm in some other countries, it's therefore good to observe and adjust how you relate to others' personal space when you're new to it.
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Old 11-05-2013, 01:12 PM   #26
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However, most of the people I've met are definitely on the quite side, and definitely need quite a bit of time alone to be happy.


That's definitely not the case here! Not to say that introverts aren't welcome or would necessarily feel uncomfortable though, but London is definitely a very social place, and the VFX scene here is pretty active in pubs around Soho every day. Like Raff said, the socialising aspect is actually quite important for networking around here too.
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...into the roto department.



Lucky, lucky them...

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Old 11-05-2013, 07:36 PM   #28
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@dneg That's very encouraging, good for those three!

@ Artbot: Thank you!

@leigh, thE_Jaco, Meloncov: I appreciate the balance of views on this. I'm not super retiring, so I guess I'll be okay once I get used to used to things. Looking forward to meeting people with similar interests, as that hardly happens down here.

Oh, and no problem about the non-touchy culture, IMO West African cultures are more physical but not really in a touchy way. In fact excessive touching and public displays of affection are mostly associated with western culture and British influence. North Africa is probably different though.

Thanks for all responses everyone, I appreciate them all!
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Old 11-06-2013, 10:11 PM   #29
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Does that mean you have positions available?


Check out the home pages of the London VFX houses - they're always ready to accept speculative applications:

http://dneg.com/jobs/runner_595.html
 
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Lucky, lucky them...

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It's either that or they get appointed to co-VFX supervisor and have to go explain themselves to the director
 
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