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  06 June 2013
Originally Posted by Lunatique: Generally speaking, when the gratuitous/exploitation aspects become too prominent, they start to dilute and distract from the more serious aspect of the message behind the storytelling.

I think the tone is really important. Look at Boogie Nights; it's about porn stars, but there's no gratuitous exploitation, regardless of the sex scenes and nudity.



Of course you're right... I'm just balancing from the people who might be thinking the message is to make sure all the films from now on feature nothing but happy families having tea.

I always tell my guys that a film is built in layers.... You have this element for the young crowd, these elements for the older crowd.... something for the people who want explosions... And then later you have something for them to think about.. a question or something that they might relate to - even if that wasn't the original reason they tuned in.

And it's not about selling necessarily.. It's because ... in Communication Art... you need the audience to LISTEN to you... and sometimes that means you need to find that "language" that gets you in.

It's like if you start with Leather-wearing bikers and women in shorts... but what you're really doing is talking about maybe Status Quo issues, or "putting down the little guy", or it's a star-crossed love story thing and the gangs the boy and girl joined up with to enable them against an "oppressive system" become the things that stand in the way of them being together...

And of course if that was your story maybe there might have to be some kind of violent end.. Or maybe they leave their old lives behind? It all depends on the creator.

Every creator is like a mixer at a switchboard. You got all these dials you can turn up: Sex, Violence, Romance, Betrayal, Opulence, etc. etc. Only the narrow-minded would always have to turn Sex and Violence to zero.... but of course if you dial it up to 11 you make things harder for yourself.
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  06 June 2013
Originally Posted by Lunatique: I think a lot of the whining about the lack of "mature" animation is simply that people want to see more realistic stylizations (instead of cartoony ones) and more extreme action/violence/sex, as well as more genre-specific tropes they enjoy (sci-fi, fantasy, horror, action/adventure). It's really the smaller minority that actually wants "maturity" instead of simply more visceral excitement.


Great point, and that's exactly what I think of when I want more mature animation. I want to see more films like Jin-Roh, Magnetic Rose: Her Memories, or even American Pop, none of which resort to extremes, but all of which are mature in content. Compare that to, say, Heavy Metal, which is a film I love by the way, which uses extrem sex and violence as its "mature" elements, but is otherwise quite juvenile.

The Incredibles, when you delve into the family aspects of it, is more mature than most cartoons in existence. Still, I would like to see more 3D shows like Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, which lean on the realistic side.
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  07 July 2013
My greatest disappointment as an adult was seeing what they did to the Heavy Metal franchise. So much potential to do something great for the adult animation genre and they wasted it with animation that was of the same quality of Saturday morning TV programming. I suppose it's not bad if you're drunk or stoned. But, by comparison to the animation and craftsmanship of any Disney film created decades earlier, it was painful to sit through.

This is what it could be. And until someone has the balls to put the proper time, money, and talent into the genre you'll continually get crap in return.
 
  07 July 2013
Nah, This is what it could be.
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  07 July 2013
Originally Posted by CGIPadawan: Nah, This is what it could be.

Meh, really don't care to watch a video game at the cinema. Especially one with a character that already has his own series of CGI heavy movies available. We really need new ideas and new techniques to showcase if there is any hope of sparking public interest.
 
  07 July 2013
Originally Posted by Kirt: Meh, really don't care to watch a video game at the cinema. Especially one with a character that already has his own series of CGI heavy movies available. We really need new ideas and new techniques to showcase if there is any hope of sparking public interest.


No.. I was talking more about the motion and the abstraction of reality..

But I can see why this appears like a "no go" for some people.

Ironically we are already watching "video games" at the cinema.
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  07 July 2013
Originally Posted by RobertoOrtiz: Rob note:

One of my pet peeves is that I love reading about how a lot of animation fans want more mature content. Hell they almost demand it.

But when pressed of what they think is "mature" their definition is more anything but (Extreme Sex,Violence).


Right off the bat I see a problem:

Immediately we take something subjective and apply a standard that only applies to some and automatically renders all other opinions as wrong.

Examples the people cite for "mature" animation end up being adult content that might not be suitable for kids. So then if that's not a valid response then tell everyone to watch the old Star Trek: TAS. Roddenberry went with Filmation because they had a more mature approach to the subject which made the animation take a back seat.

I watched a serious CG animated feature that was very mature and never once resorted to gratuitous violence or sex... but FF: The Spirits Within was just too boring.

Point is, if people equate maturity with adult content, don't automatically dismiss them.
 
  07 July 2013
Originally Posted by redbellpeppers: Right off the bat I see a problem:



Immediately we take something subjective and apply a standard that only applies to some and automatically renders all other opinions as wrong.

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I tend not to work at all way with the people I know and work for. I am sorry if
you felt that U I came across that way.



Originally Posted by redbellpeppers: Examples the people cite for "mature" animation end up being adult content that might not be suitable for kids. So then if that's not a valid response then tell everyone to watch the old Star Trek: TAS. Roddenberry went with Filmation because they had a more mature approach to the subject which made the animation take a back seat.



I watched a serious CG animated feature that was very mature and never once resorted to gratuitous violence or sex... but FF: The Spirits Within was just too boring.



Point is, if people equate maturity with adult content, don't automatically dismiss them.




My take on it, is that a pattern I see is the opposite. One were pushing boundaries and going over the top (for better or for worse) equates to some thing being mature.
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  07 July 2013
Originally Posted by Kirt: My greatest disappointment as an adult was seeing what they did to the Heavy Metal franchise. So much potential to do something great for the adult animation genre and they wasted it with animation that was of the same quality of Saturday morning TV programming. I suppose it's not bad if you're drunk or stoned. But, by comparison to the animation and craftsmanship of any Disney film created decades earlier, it was painful to sit through.

This is what it could be. And until someone has the balls to put the proper time, money, and talent into the genre you'll continually get crap in return.


And there was nearly the HM version we all wanted-

Quote: Plans to make another Heavy Metal film surfaced around 2008, which was to be directed by David Fincher. This sequel would feature segments directed by James Cameron and Kevin Eastman, and it was revealed that Zack Snyder, Gore Verbinski and Guillermo del Toro wanted to direct some segments. Mark Osborne and Jack Black (Tenacious D) were also set to direct a segment. Sadly, this project was canned. Apparently no distributor was interested in it. Paramount rejected it because they felt it was too risque for mainstream audiences.

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http://kylesanimatedworld.blogspot....tal-part-3.html

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  07 July 2013
Chomet's films (Tripletts, Illusionist) are perfect examples of animated films I wouldn't consider kids/family films. No extreme violence or sex, just more mature subject matter and no slang slinging goofy punch line side kicks.

It can be done, but when so much money is invested in these cg films risks are rare, especially a risk on an entire market that might not pull through in the states.
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  07 July 2013
Personally, I don't think adult animation *should* be anything. Animation can be anything people want it to be. We have a lot of off the wall, "immature" live action comedy that many people enjoy, and animation can be funny, adult, immature, mature, serious, abstract etc as well. I don't see a problem with that. Everybody has different tastes.
 
  07 July 2013
Originally Posted by Romanthony: Personally, I don't think adult animation *should* be anything. Animation can be anything people want it to be. We have a lot of off the wall, "immature" live action comedy that many people enjoy, and animation can be funny, adult, immature, mature, serious, abstract etc as well. I don't see a problem with that. Everybody has different tastes.


Adult animation *should* be one thing. It should be made! Right now we don't have animation that is "funny, adult, immature, mature, serious, abstract etc". People are scraping the sides of the plate to find examples like The Illusionist, and even if you can find more examples than you can count on one hand, you will still find 10X more Pixar/Dreamworks style, talking animal, happy, family comedy films or moe moe anime series.

You say animation can be anything people want it to be, but that's not what we are getting. We are mostly getting one thing. You say everybody has different tastes, but they are not being catered to. Mostly one taste is being catered to.
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  07 July 2013
Originally Posted by RobertoOrtiz:


I tend not to work at all way with the people I know and work for. I am sorry if
you felt that U I came across that way.

My take on it, is that a pattern I see is the opposite. One were pushing boundaries and going over the top (for better or for worse) equates to some thing being mature.

Ya know, my post came off as kinda dick-ish... and that was not my intention at all. Altho I stand behind my statements, I didn't mean how it come across.

I apologize.


Quote: Plans to make another Heavy Metal film surfaced around 2008, which was to be directed by David Fincher. This sequel would feature segments directed by James Cameron and Kevin Eastman, and it was revealed that Zack Snyder, Gore Verbinski and Guillermo del Toro wanted to direct some segments. Mark Osborne and Jack Black (Tenacious D) were also set to direct a segment. Sadly, this project was canned. Apparently no distributor was interested in it. Paramount rejected it because they felt it was too risque for mainstream audiences.


Well, I guess that's what happens when you use other peoples' money instead of ponying up yourself.
 
  07 July 2013
Originally Posted by redbellpeppers:

Well, I guess that's what happens when you use other peoples' money instead of ponying up yourself.


One of the oldest nuggets of advice in filmmaking is: dont finance your own films.
But studio patrons/financiers used to be more willing to fund a variety of films.
If a Heavy Traffic or Watership Down or Adventures of Mark Twain could get funding and distribution then surely a Heavy Metal could have (in the days when there were more studios and distribution channels and it didnt cost as much).
 
  07 July 2013
Originally Posted by kelgy: One of the oldest nuggets of advice in filmmaking is: dont finance your own films.
But studio patrons/financiers used to be more willing to fund a variety of films.
If a Heavy Traffic or Watership Down or Adventures of Mark Twain could get funding and distribution then surely a Heavy Metal could have (in the days when there were more studios and distribution channels and it didnt cost as much).


Lucky for me, I live in a country where producers are so tired of rom-coms, a number of them actually want a dose of "Heavy Metal"....

Mature should be about "anything that would fly over the heads of children below 18".... and that's from the basest things to the more high-end things.

Teruchan is hitting the issue on the head - The problem is nobody tries. America is stuck in "talking animals singing happy music" land.

I wonder what happened to the animated film Thunder Run ...
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