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Old 04-02-2013, 08:19 PM   #16
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Hey there,

just giving my two cent about Montreal. I went to the NAD Centre (before it was an university, it was a 1 year intensive program but now as a university it,s a 3 year course) and everyone in our class who bothered to try got a job when they got out.

Right now they are pushing (I think) 60 students per term out of the school. Mostly half vfx and half in games...and from what I hear most of them find jobs. There is currently a huge boom in job opportunity since some major studio are openning here (framestore and mpc, but also Mikros, digital district, buf and Macguff..without even mentionning the studios already in montreal).

I'd say that one of the downside of the NAD Centre is that they teach you the local software (in the past fifteen years Montreal has been one of the few Softimage userbase) and with the arrival of the internationnal cities...probably this will change and I dont know if the NAD centre will change his curriculum quite that fast. But well, if you can learn Maya by yourself on the side, then this isnt really a problem.

Montreal is a great city, you'd like it. But, yep, as other have said if you don't have some basic experience it could be hard to find a job depending what you want to do. As a junior comp artist you might find one real fast as a roto artist (doing some plate prep, etc..)..but for 3d work...they usually try to find people that are already production ready, even junior.

Good luck
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:33 PM   #17
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So all in all you think the best option would still be to acquire local experience before taking my chances abroad?

ps: Since you are from Montreal, how do you anything about Centre NAD? And how are the job opportunities for juniors over there?

For your first question: Depends. If your Brazilian CGI schools are a lot cheaper than VFS and you still haven't proven to yourself (and to others) that this is where your future is. Maybe you want to take the most economic route to see if you have 'what-it-takes' before putting yourself in debt.

For you second question: I've been working in Montreal for years and now call it 'home'. But studied CGI at Sheridan College (Ontario) back when it was pretty much the *only* place to go (late 80s/early 90s). Sheridan is cheap-but *hard* to get into. I had a fine art degree portfolio to apply.
I would say NAD has a strong reputation. But it is not cheap. And Montreal for CG is very strong in games and seems to be getting stronger in VFX.
For junior artists its like anywhere. Good juniors kind find work *especially* if they are local. Providing visas (and all the immigration effort it entails) for foreign juniors is rarer anywhere methinks.
 
Old 04-02-2013, 09:57 PM   #18
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I would definitly recomand you to don't borrow too much money with your formation, especially if you are aiming a carrer in High end VFX for movies, has you have no warranty to be able to make big money in VFX ... especially at the moment

I would also recommend you to stay away of big companies like DD , MPC , SPI when you've just finish school. It will be of course a personnal POV, but the best CG artist i've met has always start in generalist - not ultra specialise job ! In big companies , many start with matchmove or roto and spend 2 years doing this to go where they want. I think its a far better idea to work as a generalist in small place making lot of various task and discover many aspect of VFX. In small place you will find that people will always try to help, in big companies there is a lot of politics involve and sometimes competion beetween artist (in a non productive way). In small shop you will get a clear idea of all the steps involve. In big companies all is pretty obscur you do your small piece of the puzzle but you have no idea of how the enviroment or lighting guys work ...

Exception to the rules is Animation or Concept art career, in those 2 case if you want to be good you have to practice as much as you can and the road will be pretty long to master your subject ... so you have to specialize !

all this is very subjective so take it with a grain of salt ...
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Old 04-03-2013, 12:58 AM   #19
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But guys, isnt there another way to get visas that would take the company out of the equation, so they wouldnt need to sponsor me? Then they would hire me as a "local" in terms of experience, without the heavy weight of my needing for a visa.

I've been reading some stuff and apparently the government of Quebec is still accepting a lot of immigrants, but I'm still not sure if I would need to have a work offer already.

In that sense Australia seems to be much harder to settle down. :/
 
Old 04-03-2013, 03:13 AM   #20
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But guys, isnt there another way to get visas that would take the company out of the equation, so they wouldnt need to sponsor me? Then they would hire me as a "local" in terms of experience, without the heavy weight of my needing for a visa.

I've been reading some stuff and apparently the government of Quebec is still accepting a lot of immigrants, but I'm still not sure if I would need to have a work offer already.

In that sense Australia seems to be much harder to settle down. :/

As am unemployed, unskilled artist? Hardly a chance in hell you will get a visa without sponsorship. Mind, you might, but it will take a while.

If you're under 30 Australia offers a working holiday visa actually, which is a free one year pass with limited hours work that can very easily be converted to a 457 or other visas once you're here.

I've worked with more than one person, in the low-end of pay jobs, here in Oz that came on one and then got employed once the company had confirmation they could be "promoted" by immigration.

You would still face the same fundamental issue either way: You are not local (you don't count towards subsidy/rebate quota), and you have nothing to show for your work. Even with the hassle reduced you are still not a prospect.
That is the chief reason why everybody's telling you to get a portfolio, a job and a CV locally in that order.

You seem hellbent on leaving the country ASAP, and I guess you're fairly young.
Don't buy into the pipe dream that everything is better elsewhere for CG. You can be as stimulated and learn just as much in your own country by getting a headstart early, possibly more, than wrestling with national boundaries and overseas living for potentially years before landing a junior role.

There will be time, plenty of it, when you will be away from your home country, wishing you weren't in such a hurry to leave when you were a teenager. Skill up and enjoy what time you have in proximity of your family and friends.

You're not from a war-torn country where they massacre families, Brazil is a fantastic place to be, with things hard to find in many other places (wait 'til you'll live in a place like Vancouver or London, with more days than not a year of rain). Enjoy them before you leave it behind.

It's nowhere as bad as being a carnie, that's an exageration when you generalise it, and I picked, and lived for years at an end and always by my choice, what countries I lived and worked in, as did many of my friends, many of which have a family, property and kids, but stability is a matter of years in the modern world with intellectual work, not of a lifetime, and you will one day have to accept that and might not find it in your home country ever again.
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Old 04-03-2013, 03:16 AM   #21
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Well as a recent graduate here in Australia, I can say to you that finding work here will be hard. I rarely even get replies to the applications I send here. Knowing the right people helps a lot but I don't really know that many people in the industry so it is difficult.
Funnily enough I was thinking about looking for work overseas with Brazil and Canada as my top choices.


Brazil I've heard to be on the grow right now and I've always wanted to live there. Since I don't speak Portuguese though I'm not really sure if it's a good choice..


Canada on the other hand may be better. I have heard Vancouver is the place to go for work at the moment. I speak a fair bit of French as well so Montreal could be another option.


As others here have said though I'm not sure of my chances considering I have no experience and am looking for an entry position...
 
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I speak a fair bit of French as well so Montreal could be another option.

This is something I forgot to mention. In Quebec speaking French is a huge plus. A lack of it is not supposed to be detrimental to finding a job-but as a unskilled foreign worker a complete lack of French is not going to do you any favors here. For example if you wanted to attend the NAD-I'm not sure if/when they facilitate courses in English. It maybe French only.
There are some English schools sure-but for a world renowned CGI education I'm not sure they are the best choice to leave Brazil for...
 
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This is something I forgot to mention. In Quebec speaking French is a huge plus. A lack of it is not supposed to be detrimental to finding a job-but as a unskilled foreign worker a complete lack of French is not going to do you any favors here. For example if you wanted to attend the NAD-I'm not sure if/when they facilitate courses in English. It maybe French only.
There are some English schools sure-but for a world renowned CGI education I'm not sure they are the best choice to leave Brazil for...


Im not sure I followed you. In Brazil there's only one school that could be considered "good", like on par with regular CG schools in NA or EU. And it's new, so no one actually knows what kind results it will deliver in the end.

So far, I'm studying by myself. But actually that's one of the reasons I was thinking of moving out. I could profit from a good education, make contacts and try to have some kind of CG related work experience over there.
 
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Well as a recent graduate here in Australia, I can say to you that finding work here will be hard. I rarely even get replies to the applications I send here. Knowing the right people helps a lot but I don't really know that many people in the industry so it is difficult.
Funnily enough I was thinking about looking for work overseas with Brazil and Canada as my top choices.
Brazil I've heard to be on the grow right now and I've always wanted to live there. Since I don't speak Portuguese though I'm not really sure if it's a good choice..
Canada on the other hand may be better. I have heard Vancouver is the place to go for work at the moment. I speak a fair bit of French as well so Montreal could be another option.
As others here have said though I'm not sure of my chances considering I have no experience and am looking for an entry position...


Sorry to hear about your situation but Vancouver is not the place to get a job if your a junior with zero experience.
 
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Where are all the locals who recently finished their studies going to get jobs in Canada?
 
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Where are all the locals who recently finished their studies going to get jobs in Canada?


Welcome to the reality.I graduated from college 7 years ago and last time I checked , 4 out of 20 people form my class are working in the industry.
 
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Im not sure I followed you. In Brazil there's only one school that could be considered "good", like on par with regular CG schools in NA or EU. And it's new, so no one actually knows what kind results it will deliver in the end.

So far, I'm studying by myself. But actually that's one of the reasons I was thinking of moving out. I could profit from a good education, make contacts and try to have some kind of CG related work experience over there.

Do you speak French? If not maybe that makes Montreal not the best foreign city to take CGI courses in if you want to study abroad.

As others have said taking the course does not 'give you' the job.
Even when I graduated back in 1991 the number of folks that 'made it'
in the industry was about 20% of the class (and that is a guess). I can only 'confirm' two other folks besides myself whom I've come across in
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Do you speak French? If not maybe that makes Montreal not the best foreign city to take CGI courses in if you want to study abroad.

As others have said taking the course does not 'give you' the job.
Even when I graduated back in 1991 the number of folks that 'made it'
in the industry was about 20% of the class (and that is a guess). I can only 'confirm' two other folks besides myself whom I've come across in
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Oh Im not fluent in french but I can handle it well I guess, fortunately.

I understood that it doesnt give me the job but I'm still trying to figure out if attending a school in another country makes it easier by any means to get a job there, further down the road you know. Or if it really wont make a difference whatsoever and all I have to care about is getting a reel and experience.
 
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It will make it marginally easier compared to now.
Does it make it three/four years and dozens of grands in debt/expenses easier, when you could spend the same time and less resources getting ACTUAL work experience and a reel? Statistically speaking, no, not really, not for either country.

Do you even have any guarantees there WILL be a healthy industry in those countries in a few years? Not really. Subsidized countries can last decades, or some times only years.
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