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Old 12 December 2012   #16
What, so it's rude to disagree with something that someone says? Really? Sorry but no, it's not. The notion that you need to be a decent modeller in order to be a great texture painter is bollocks. Hogwash. Garbage. Nonsense. End of story. Note that I'm calling an opinion bollocks, as opposed to insulting the poster as a person. The former is fine, the latter isn't.

Now perhaps instead of splitting hairs and expressing moral outrage on behalf of someone who didn't even take offense in the first place, you could just stick to the topic at hand?
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Old 12 December 2012   #17
I think Leigh's error is using a Colloquial English phrase that she's picked up. Not at the moment of typing remembering that this is an international forum, and the vast majority of people wouldn't ever heard of it, and so may consider it rude.

But back to the topic, surely understanding (not necessarily doing) the UV mapping and unwrapping of any model should be a skill of the texture painter. Because ones efficiency in texture painting would be effected by these UV's.

Be interested to hear thoughts on that. As soon I'll be looking for a texture painter.
 
Old 12 December 2012   #18
Originally Posted by leigh: There's absolutely nothing rude about what I said.
Among friends and colleagues pretty much every other word that comes out of my mouth is swearing but I'd be hard pushed to think of a situation where responding to someone's opinion with "that's bollocks" would be seen as anything other than rude.

If a man exposed himself, pointed to his crotch and asked "What's this!?" then that's a whole different matter.
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Old 12 December 2012   #20
Originally Posted by leigh: You may have noticed that the person I was talking to rightly didn't take offense


Actually it didn't sound right to me (I'm not even an native English speaker, let alone from UK), but I know better than just to pick on stuff like this on the internet as it usually leads to nothing good. So, while language can affect the way people understand what and how you're trying to express an opinion I think it's also a mistake to dwell much on this.
I say let's move along, the OP got a few opinions and POVs and he'll take into consideration what it has been said.
 

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Old 12 December 2012   #22
Originally Posted by cojam: But back to the topic, surely understanding (not necessarily doing) the UV mapping and unwrapping of any model should be a skill of the texture painter. Because ones efficiency in texture painting would be effected by these UV's.

Be interested to hear thoughts on that. As soon I'll be looking for a texture painter.


Understanding the concept of UVs is needed to understand how texture mapping works, but that concept is not hard to teach on the job. However, knowing how to unwrap UVs is a different thing. Many texture artists do have basic 3D background and know how to unwrap UVs, but it is by no means a required skill.

I know there are some studios where the pipeline is so strict that only the modellers have permission to work on the maya file, and the texture artist's job is to paint and paint ONLY. Not every studio is that strict though, and knowing UV mapping is a plus.

Unless you are an asset generalist... as a pure "Texture Artist" you definitely don't need to know modelling. It sounds like you do have some generalist background though, and it won't hurt to put your modelling work at the end of the reel.

Other than the final render, some studios like to see the actual textures you painted in your portfolio. Not that you have to show high res textures for every pass you painted, it's just to get a general sense of your understanding of textures.
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Old 12 December 2012   #23
Originally Posted by th3ta: Do you think the textures on Gollum were good? They recruited some airbrush artist who had never even used a computer before to paint them. Don't need to know how to model to be able to paint.


Not really a good example to use. Gino (the airbrush artist) is quite a skilled special effects makeup artist and he is pretty good at sculpting.

However I do agree with the point that you don't need to be able to model in order to be a texture painter (at any skill level).

This applies to any job in CG, it may help to know other artistic (drawing, sculpting, photography, etc) or technical (programming, maths, physics, etc) skills, but you don't have to know these other skills in order to do one particular skill to a high level.

If your looking for additional skills as a specialist texture painter then I think compositing is much more beneficial for a texture painter to learn than modelling.
 
Old 12 December 2012   #24
Originally Posted by th3ta: What Leigh said was rude, she says stuff like that all the time. Not a big deal, you just get used to it after awhile.


Just like I've gotten used to you trolling me over the years. It's getting pretty tiring you know. At least I actually contribute around here and help people, which is more than I can say for you. You sit there, anonymously, on the other side of the Atlantic, taking personal potshots at someone that you know absolutely nothing about whatsoever - you know what? It's pretty pathetic and I've had enough. How hypocritical that you sit there slinging your little barbs at me when you're the one who is an out and out troll.

If people want to start crusading over their perceived attribution of moral value to words irrespective of their context, please do it somewhere else. Did I insult anyone? No. So let's move on and get back on topic.
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Old 12 December 2012   #26
If you people don't get back on topic, this thread is going to be closed. Do you really want a thread closed just because some of you were determined to derail it in order to grind your axes?

Originally Posted by AndyCGS: Correct. But disagreeing in a rude way is rude. [/obvious]

And yes I agree with the other posters. You are frequently rude, or condescending. In 90% of your posts. I've never seen you really help anyone. I've lurked for many years and can't really believe you're still at the helm to be quite honest.
It's also a little sad that you chose to hide the posts that highlighted this, as if they were spam. I guess mine's next, ho hum. :(


Wow, the hyperbole of this is absolutely astounding. 90% of my posts are rude? Seriously? You've never seen me help anyone? Amazing. Then you've either barely read anything I've ever posted, or you're just posting this to troll. Honestly, the tiny, tiny number of people who occasionally crawl out of the woodwork and sling these ludicrous, hyperbolic accusations at me never cease to amaze me. You see that little "helpful" button below each post? Do you know who, by far, has the highest number of clicks from users on that? Me. Because I have spent countless hours on this site helping people, whether it's answering queries about the forum, posting advice about the industry, or posting critiques. The great hypocrisy here is the way you're basically attacking me, accusing me of being rude, when it's your posts which are personal and insulting. You came into this thread with the sole purpose of derailing it to grind your own little axe, but I'm the one with the problem? Grow up, seriously. If I'm so offensive, then please, do yourself a favour and just go somewhere else instead of derailing people's threads because you have some personal problem with a total stranger.

Funny how these comments always come from people hiding behind anonymity who have very few posts on the site. You trolls are all alike.

Now kindly get back on topic.
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Old 12 December 2012   #27
Originally Posted by leigh: Funny how these comments always come from people hiding behind anonymity who have very few posts on the site. You trolls are all alike.
I'm not hiding behind any anonymity and I certainly have no axe to grind but I think it would be nice if people could give their opinion even if it's wrong without getting shot down.

I'm sure a great number of users (including myself) have been guilty of snapping back at people we feel are offering bad advice but I think those same people (definitely including myself) are just as guilty of asking stupid questions and offering stupid answers in the past and I think it would be good to remember that when correcting someone.

My apologies if this gets the thread closed, hopefully the good advice from people like Will, Leigh and David have helped the OP.
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Old 12 December 2012   #28
I can't believe all this fuss has been kicked up over the word bollocks, a word I use daily in all manner of company, whether friends, colleagues or strangers, because it's just not an offensive word. In fact, I consider it a slightly humourous term, and I've used it plenty of times here on this site in the past too - to me, it's a totally normal, day-to-day term which equates to hogwash, but has a more amusing ring to it. If I'd replied saying "what a load of bullshit, STFU" then people would have been right to be annoyed. But that didn't happen.

Instead, AndyCGS (who has, unsurprisingly, been banned under another username before) appeared, long after the person I was responding to have replied again and not even taken offense, clearly with the sole purpose of derailing this thread with some personal beef of his. The hypocrisy of these individuals never ceases to astound me, and although I've tolerated this thankfully tiny minority of troublemakers in the past, my patience with them has run out. These broad character judgements from total strangers who think it's okay to make false, personal public accusations to people they know nothing about may have been mildly amusing before but not anymore.

To the OP, I'm sorry that this thread is being closed, although I think your question was answered anyway.
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