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Old 10-30-2012, 06:02 PM   #16
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I dont think war films ever change people's perception of war. Was it Truffaut who said that war movies cant help but glamorize it?


The Godfather likely changed the way people working in the mafia regarded their "special thing."

Jaws is said to have led to the targeted hunting of great white sharks--and Benchley eventually regretted writing the book since it demonized sharks.

Capricorn One helped push the Moon landing was fake idea.

JFK led to a greater belief in assassination conspiracy theories.

ET caused a big jump in reese's pieces sales.


Just like every Disney movie or romantic comedy makes women think that the perfect mate will magically appear (eventually) and make them happy because they are incapable of making their own happiness.
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So yes, a well made war film can change your perception of war. A lot, imho.


Well people can come to regard war as hell through channels other than a movie but if we are talking about movies then they said the same thing about All Quiet on the Western Front in the 30s.
I dont think its a seismic shift in society to realize "war is hell."

And in the case of Ryan at the end the soldier gets a heroic shot through a tank barrel to kill the enemy which is exactly what Truffaut was talking about.No matter what, war gets glamorized.I didnt know about allied soldiers looting and raping across Europe since I had never seen that depicted in movies--found that out through historical articles. WW2 was called the "Good" war.


Apocalypse Now and the Ride of the Valkyries sequence is another example where war is glamorized.
 
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A Trip to the Moon (1902)
Talk about inflential. Most of the visual efffects techniques (that BTW we still use today), were shown in this film.

The Birth of a Nation (1915)
The movie was incredibly influential about how the US South saw itself.
Incredibly racist film by D.W. Griffith that brought the resurgance of the KKK in the

Triumph of the Will (1935)
It has some of the iconic cinematography in the history of documentaries.
Leni Riefenstahl was definetly a master of cinema. too bad that her subject matter was the Olympics in Nazi Germany.

Gone with the Wind (1939)
It is the MOST SUCESFUL film ever mande
$6,501,038,381.29 (adjuster for Inflation)


And belive it or not , the book and the film is incredibly popular in NORTH KOREA, of all places.

Citizen Kane (1941)
If is difficul to explain this film but it use of film language is impressice.
Casablanca (1942)
The storytelling of this film was groundbreaking. I personally love this film.


Some more influential

Seven Samurai (1954)

Influnetial films for the civil rights movement:
To Kill a Mockingbird (1962)
Guess Who's Coming to Dinner (1967)
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966

Anti war films that defined how war is portrayed:
Apocalypse Now (1979)
Platoon (1986)
Black Hawk Down (2001)

The birth of the blockbuster:
Jaws (1975)
Star Wars (1977)
Road Warrior

And of course I have to mention:
Alien(1979)
Blade Runner (1982)
And of course
The Matrix (1999)
Basic Instinct (1992)
Robocop (1987)

If is funny that I am having problems listing films for the 0's.
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:12 PM   #19
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So how it's CG-related?

Everything and nothing Mister 3d, other than many here work on movies, some heavy on the CG.
There are films that changed their perspective and like I mentioned may have got them into what they now do for a living today.

There are other films that some of our fellow CGtalkers have been involved in and at the time they did not know the impact their film if any would have. Imagine someone here working on a film that helped define a generation, helped inspire young ones, or played a part in something bigger.

So that is the question.

Like music9ians, which has helped change the world and inspire that change, visually movies can and have done the same. Just sparking the question on that point. So yes it does relate. Directly and indirectly.
 
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Apocalypse Now and the Ride of the Valkyries sequence is another example where war is glamorized.

Funny i always have seen that sequence as an ironic view on how the US viewed itself when fighting a war. and picking the Ride of the Valkyries considering its WWII relation with the invasion of Poland.

Another films that made a STRONG impression on the hell that war is is Full Metal jacket.
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One flew over a cuckoos nest, admittedly a novel first but the films success resulted in substantial reform and a very marked shift of opinion towards mental institutions, one which maybe has gone too far.
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One flew over a cuckoos nest, admittedly a novel first but the films success resulted in substantial reform and a very marked shift of opinion towards mental institutions, one which maybe has gone too far.


Definitely.
The ending of that film is a blow to the chest.

Believe it or not Frank Sinatra was responsible for a bring into the public consciousness the effects of the abuse of drug use. The Man with the Golden Arm (1955) Sinatra played a heroin addict.
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:26 PM   #23
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Moon

movie about just one guy stuck there on the Moon in the
terribly boring job getting so tired only think he can think of
is going back on Earth. Beautyfly made, great atmosphere,
great movie.
 
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Funny i always have seen that sequence as an ironic view on how the US viewed itself when fighting a war. and picking the Ride of the Valkyries considering its WWII relation with the invasion of Poland.


Its the scene always highlighted the most. More so than anything with Brando.
Its even on some of the posters--the helicopters.
The big glamor shot.

I first heard the theory when watching Paths of Glory--despite the nature of the court martial they still had scenes of Kirk Douglas being heroic. Pretty much unavoidable.

Havent watched Full Metal Jacket in a while but what I remember best is the murder suicide of the training officer. I dont think that is a glamor war shot.
 
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So how it's CG-related?


Most CG jobs are about storytelling.
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'Saving Private Ryan'. Those bullets made that impersonal whizz and clang, scything through meat as uncaring as can be would be as unromantic an example as you could want of war. Good Morning Vietnam was another that left a deep impression as a commentary on bureaucracy and war.

Someone wrote the Cuckoo's nest, yeah my favorite film that would have helped change the way people view others, the cuckoo and non cuckoo.
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I'm surprised 2001 hasn't been mentioned, it set the bar for FX until Star Wars came along.

Another is Metropolis.
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Apocalypse Now and the Ride of the Valkyries sequence is another example where war is glamorized.


On the contrary, that scene is one of the most horrifying scenes of callous inhumanity ever to grace the screen. It doesn't glamourise war, it does the complete opposite by showing viewers how war transforms people into husks of their former selves, so devoid of empathy that they napalm civilians while thinking about surfing.

The entire film shows war in a very negative light. Willard's narration is one of increasingly fragmented introspection amidst the horror, and the cloying, oppressive atmosphere and increasingly sinister and bizarre environment further enhances this negative image. The film's story is a metaphor for the emotional journey experienced by many soldiers - as Willard's boat moves further upstream, he and his companions become increasingly detached from reality, moving into darkness (the "Heart of Darkness" which the original novel, from which the film was adapted, was named).

I really can't imagine how you could say this film glamourises war. It's the complete opposite, not only anti war in general, but also quite specifically critical of the Vietnam War.
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