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  01 January 2012
Poser is the DV Camera of 3D Animation

This is not a thread to knock Poser. I actually use it where it works for me. In the right hands it can be a very fast and powerful tool. The problem is that we see far too many examples of it in the wrong hands. What do I mean by that?

When the low cost DV cameras began to flood the market, people said, "Everyone can be a filmmaker!" Well, by now we have all seen the result of that. It is true that anyone can pick up a low cost camera, even in HD these days, and shoot something, but that doesn't mean they will be able to shoot something anyone will want to watch. The technology may have opened the door to everyone, but that doesn't mean that everyone who walks through it should.

In the early days of film, Thomas Edison and Charles Eastman (Kodak) kept such strict controls over the motion picture creation process that they made it nearly impossible for anyone to make a film without going through them. Cameras could only be rented. Kodak could decide who they would and would not sell film to. The became gatekeepers.

While there are no physical gatekeepers in the world of 3D animation, the attitude seems to persist, especially in relation to new tools. It is like the old guard protecting their secrets because of the blood, sweat and tears they put into creating something from scratch using a somewhat difficult workflow. The reality is that such a defensive attitude is wholly unnecessary. Just like the DV camera didn't allow everyone and their brother to become Stanley Kubrick, new and easier 3D tools will not create artists.

Many professional and skilled film directors have embraced DV cameras and have done great work. You only need to go on Youtube to see what everyone else is doing with them. You don't find too many people knocking DV cameras anymore. It should be the same for these new and easier 3D tools, because they are only going to get better, allow for the creation of higher quality faster, and probably get cheaper, allowing more people into the door.

The thing is, even if the concept of the "make art button" were ever to become a reality. It would only make real artists more powerful, while the rest will simply click the button and all of their stuff will continue to pretty much look the same.
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  01 January 2012
I Dont understand the purpose of this thread Mate.

Poser is not the" DV camera of 3D"

It is just one program based around the paradigm of premade
content ( Figures, props, Lighting, textures, poses ,animations etc.)

But we already knew this sooo........?



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  01 January 2012
WHO ****ING CARES. Seriously.
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  01 January 2012
I agree with the original poster, so I dont really have anything to add. When something become accessible and easy to do, you will get a massive increase of crap. Cheap cameras lead to a flood of horrible home movies, poser lead to an abundance of horrific 3D porn being spread around the internet. ..and the occasional scantily clad barbarian female posted on these forums
 
  01 January 2012
How totally random can you get.. Ha ha
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  01 January 2012
Ahh, the monthly Poser debate.

I still maintain that good, sound, talented artists are unwittingly led down a depraved path when they use Poser - it really does have a corrupting power.
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  01 January 2012
I thought Poser was the unemployed basement-dwelling 30-something gaming addict son of 3D.
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  01 January 2012
Quote: WHO ****ING CARES. Seriously

Warm, inviting and professional.

Still, even considering, the make human and animation easier button of Poser, suprising how still few animations, series and web shows are out there in the indie cg market.
 
  01 January 2012
Sounds quite "Gear Snobbish", you know'em. Its about the talent behind the tool, be it shot on an iphone or one of those -red- things.
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  01 January 2012
ambassador has nailed this - it's gear snobbery. I see it all the time on photography websites too - people getting their panties in a twist because some people use point-and-shoot cameras instead of high end Canons and Nikons, and for some reason this phenomenon needs to be discussed at length in elitist tones on a regular basis. People need to focus on the work, not the tool. If people are having fun, what's the problem? I'm all for people expressing themselves in whatever way they see fit. I remember a recent discussion on one photography site I visit, where people were saying that people who shoot photos "aren't photographers". Sorry, but if you take photos, you're a photographer. End of story. Whether or not you're a good one is another discussion entirely but getting precious over titles like that is pointless, elitist and frankly a bit pathetic.
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  01 January 2012
The original post has even less relevance than this one.
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  01 January 2012
what

reading the original post while watching your avatar eyebrow really give me a strange feeling

Don't blame the software. Even with ZBrush, people complain about to NOT slap out a T-Pose character anymore. It must have story, it must have action, it must have...

It is strange nobody complain about Vue - despite anyone that push pixel can generate beautiful scenery (while those with experience can generate even greater scenery).

You really need to look at youtube to watch "interesting" 3d animation made using other software (remember, houdini is free, so is blender, and autodesk have free student version - no matter how old the student is). it about the skill, not the tools. I mean, we all know that FF: TSW was made using Maya 2. Right?
 
  01 January 2012
Originally Posted by leigh: ambassador has nailed this - it's gear snobbery. I see it all the time on photography websites too - people getting their panties in a twist because some people use point-and-shoot cameras instead of high end Canons and Nikons, and for some reason this phenomenon needs to be discussed at length in elitist tones on a regular basis. Sorry, but if you take photos, you're a photographer. End of story. Whether or not you're a good one is another discussion entirely but getting precious over titles like that is pointless, elitist and frankly a bit pathetic.


Haha, funny you mention that, I asked a guy who shoots a lot of photography (more portraits/wedding stuff) about micro 4/3cams and he had a cow, said "they are toys, but they are not professional quality, you need a dslr for good photos". We chatted about that of coarse, hehe, but I made the point that my photos from my point and shoot turned out fine so far. I just picked up a micro 4/3rds cam (sony nex3) since I do more nature photography while running (using this pack), and the smaller the better when running 30+.mi through woods/mountains. I was just interested in a bit more powerful but still small cam to use while running/hiking/biking.

Something tells me in 5 years, he will think his current gear is garbage, and you need this "new thing" to take great photos.
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  01 January 2012
Originally Posted by ambassador: ....I asked a guy who shoots a lot of photography (more portraits/wedding stuff) about micro 4/3cams and he had a cow, said "they are toys, but they are not professional quality, you need a dslr for good photos".

Something tells me in 5 years, he will think his current gear is garbage, and you need this "new thing" to take great photos.


So true.

After a ton of exhaustive research, I replaced my old busted DSLR with an M4/3 camera (Olympus E-PL2) and I love it. I love this format, the weight, the size, the features. You can easily get professional results from it, and it's a lot easier to carry around than a DSLR. I felt vindicated when I read an interview with some top NatGeo photographer who, when asked about his gear, said something like "I have this DSLR and that DLSR, but I always have my E-PL2 handy and find I use it almost non-stop."

To be fair, a wedding photog probably needs a crazy-large gear setup since they are being paid for the job and if people saw him totong an M4/3 around, they might think they they are getting ripped off. Sad, but that's the public's perception of tech.

And I hope we/I have sufficiently derailed this thread, since it so badly needed derailing.
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  01 January 2012
Originally Posted by Artbot: And I hope we/I have sufficiently derailed this thread, since it so badly needed derailing.


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