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Old 03 March 2006   #61
great to see that new matte forum on cgtalk! its time ...
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Old 03 March 2006   #62
Hey CGTALK Team,

now this is a real improvement to your boards
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Old 03 March 2006   #63
Matte painting has been around since the early days of motion pictures. Gone with the Wind has many shots where matte paintings were used. Watch the film and you will see how well the guys did back then. It's a great movie and masterful matte work.
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Old 03 March 2006   #64
damn, lots of people asked me the same question over and over: if it's not integral painted it's not a mattepainitng.
indeed, it's not a mattepainting, it's a digital mattepainting.
when it comes to mattepainting there are no laws. you can do whatever it fits, the result matters.
for example I saw the other days some unbelievable stuff from framestore guys.
they shot a pudding, a freackin' pudding, for the background mountains. the ideea is that in digital mattepainting you're allowed to do anything in order to simulate reality.
Painting? yeah, sure, for the concept sketch, when the producer wants to see where you're going with your concept. Or for different ellements that are very hard to reproduce in 3D.You can use all your skills.
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Old 03 March 2006   #65
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It's about time. I'll be checking in soon.
 
Old 03 March 2006   #66
empy: sure I'm going to create a new post all about WIP's , where we can give advices and of course we all can get them as well.

thanks all for your support, and let's make this forum a state of the art in digital creation
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Old 03 March 2006   #67
Sweet. I have been waiting for this moment for so long.
I cannot wait to start posting my works.
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Old 03 March 2006   #68
I forgot to say "Great idea for a forum! Long overdue! Thanks!"

Now, I'm fully aware of what a traditional matte painting is. And I already knew that the technique of painting on glass to extend or create a new film environment goes back 100 years or more. And I also heartily recommend the book "The Invisible Art...", as well as the d'artiste matte painting book. My question was simply, why is all this digital art called "matte painting" when it was never intended to be used as an actual matte painting (that is, as a background or enhanced environment that's composited with other live or animated elements to create a finished scene)?

I suppose the "legacy" reason is the best reason. Artists saw pictures of glass matte paintings, which tended to be environments, and simply called their own environmental illustrations "matte paintings" for lack of a better word.

Gratuitous matte painting story: One of the perqs of my old job were occasional trips to the LFL archives warehouse to do research. My first trip there was mind-blowing, getting to see all those classic Star Wars models and props and costumes. But a real highlight was getting to see all the amazing McQuarrie, Pengrazio and Ellenshaw matte paintings from Star Wars & Empire - real paint on actual glass! What was shocking was how they were stored - leaning one against another, probably 10 or 15 in all, against metal shelving at the back of the warehouse. It seemed awfully risky - one careless person could have destroyed all those priceless film artifacts in one fatal swoop. But what struck me most was their crude, almost impressionistic simplicity. The draughtmanship, perspective and color were perfect, but the brush strokes were rough and almost sloppy, but overall the image held up perfectly at film resolutions, just as the artists had planned.
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Old 03 March 2006   #69
Just goes to show, don't do what can be eliminated :-). Make things large and simple, when compressed, they are detailed :-).

This forum is just what the Dr. Ordered.

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Old 03 March 2006   #70
It's about time!

I really don't think you know how happy you have just made me!

This is far too long coming, but I am really happy and excited to know that I have a REAL area to direct my questions and show my work.

Good luck to everyone who partakes in this forum.

cheers!
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Old 03 March 2006   #71
This will make a nice addition to CGTalk.
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Old 04 April 2006   #72
I wonder if one of u can run a separate forum where u provide the images to all and everyone has to come up with a matte painting what do u guys think? It is only a suggestion. peace!
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Old 04 April 2006   #73
Originally Posted by beelow: I wonder if one of u can run a separate forum where u provide the images to all and everyone has to come up with a matte painting what do u guys think? It is only a suggestion. peace!


a contest ? it think there was one, not sure if it got off the ground. hhhmmm.

maybe now i will happen.
 
Old 04 April 2006   #74
Super! Im very interested .
 
Old 04 April 2006   #75
Talking

That sounds like an good idea for a cool contest. Have everyone start with the same images, and have a the theme for the contest. It would neat to see what everyone comes up with.
 
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