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Old 12 December 2005   #61
I know it's difficult to comprehend the idea of being hard wire genetically to behave in a certain way, but this is not a breaking new.There is a whole field of research in Genetics that studies culture, genetics, and social behaviour. This field of research is about hundred years old

All what I'm saying is do not dismiss it based on speculation or conclusions out of observation.

Genes are turned on and off, and culture and environment are factors. most genetic studies that deal with biological disorders like cancer, autism, tobacco addiction, etc have proven that. A person could carry the genes that causes cancer, but could never get it.

A study of population behaviour; that is not a clear cut and obvious disorder; is very difficult indeed. It requires huge amount of statistics, data inquisition to be abe to determine that.

I urge you to go to these links below from the human genome project, and read and listen to what scientists are doing.
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Old 12 December 2005   #62
Originally Posted by jukke: to: PhantomDesign
hmm do you think homosexuality is a reason for a psychologically destructive behavior?
or did i missunderstood you, sry my english is not that good

I think it's often a symptom (effect) of psychological problems, however I'm sure in some cases it's a reason (cause) of psychological problems.
Originally Posted by jmBoekestein: Quite insightful, I recognised this as a kid, but simply went ahead to indulge in similar behavior.
Simply for the fact that the rest of the world was shrouding itself in normality in my eyes. The comments overall and anywhere were mostly 'ah well, that's just life... you gotta go on'. I mean, doh... Could be an answer but I don't believe that.

Yes, I too saw this as a kid. Another thing I saw as a kid is government funded art, where my opinion was "An artist that can't make a living isn't much of an artist." Entertaining thought!

A good number of people choose different simply to be different. It's a big reason why many become goths, hippies, or whatever. It is my opinion that being different just to be different is a waste. It seems that if one wants to be different they should have a purpose or reason for it; otherwise you're just weird and not more intelligent, unique, or creative than the rest of society.

We’ll just see if these opinions get me in trouble...
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Old 12 December 2005   #63
Even within a single culture, there will be contradictions. For example, most people wouldn't associate Asians with showing affection physically in public, but it's extremely common to see men in Asia walking with their arms around each other's shoulder (especially after a few drinks) to express their friendship. They have no issues with fearing that others might think they're homosexuals--it just doesn't cross their minds. In southern China (specifically Fuzhou), I actually see men wrapping their arms around another guy's waist from behind while hanging out on street corners or in front of stores--but these are straight men just being demonstrative of their affection for a buddy of theirs--no sexual overtones at all. It was hard to get used to for me at first because I grew up in the U.S., where men keep their distance from each other except for greeting/good-bye hugs (and even those aren't exactly universally common in the States--many prefer just a handshake), and American straight men are especially protective of their manly image and hate the idea that anyone would think they're gay. You see the same thing with women in Asia (especially the young ladies)--they love to walk around holding hands. You don't see that in the U.S..

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Old 12 December 2005   #64
PhantomDesign -

You know, some of the sweetest, gentlest and most mentally stable people I know happen to be gay. Beyond their taste in partner, most behave, act and live pretty much exactly like everyone else around them. They are just like people all around them – some have issues, some do not.

Your statement comes off as very hostile and unfriendly towards guys and girls who just happen to have a different sexual bend than you do.

As for the reasons to why many become "goths, hippies, or whatever"... whoah, ease back on the generalising. I highly doubt that most goth kids have the same reasons to choosing their lifestyle as the hippies do. As for the 'whatever', well... let's just say that the same way that people have different tastes in some things (hey, some people enjoy the taste of olives, and others – like myself – almost yak at the mere smell of them), people also have different tastes in how they want to live their lives. If they 'choose' not to be part of your norm, it might be because they disagree with your way of living, thinking, and acting. To some, what you think of as normal might seem discomforting, or even strange and weird. You do not know their reasons. Not to want to be just like everyone else might be a big deal for someone and in itself a reason – who are you to say that it is a waste?

If we're talking about teens, I think there are far more destructive behaviours than black makeup and pasty white faces. Think, alcohol, anorectic behaviour, bulimia, plastic surgery, violence, mood swings, teen pregnancies, drugs – stuff that a lot of kids get into, and not because of listening to Marilyn Manson or whatever might be the latest craze.

So, what am I saying? Don't judge someone else's choices as 'waste', and don't judge someone else's tastes as psychological issues. Many of these groups are mini-cultures in on themselves, with their own set of rules and morals – as long as they're not actually hurting anyone... what's wrong with that?
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Old 12 December 2005   #65
Ok people, I made a little research about the topic, and I found some interesting facts.
Lets go back to the main question, how can emotions affect our art.
as all of us know, emotions gave birth to Expressionism and the art of portrait.
Expressionism is defined a movement or tendency that strives to express subjective feelings and emotions rather than to depict reality or nature objectively. Well, from here we can see that our emotions are the main key to the chamber of art we have within our souls (very poetic). Ok let's get down to reality; I believe that all the work that kicks in the world of art is the one containing emotional issues.
Let's take an example of that, Leonardo's master piece the Mona Lisa. Recently, researchers were able to reveal secret behind her dumb, ugly, yet mysteries smile. By using high tech analysis software (as I read in the newspaper) that study the face's expression and give some rough estimations for the emotional situation.
They found out that depression was 80-somting % in her face. Ok, am not trying to right an essay here, but my point is that emotions play a vital rule in art, especially the art of portrait.
For those who create a work full of nudity, what is the main emotion affecting your mood while working with that body in the picture? Am just wondering!
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Old 12 December 2005   #66
Very well said Enayla, Thanks
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Old 12 December 2005   #67
Originally Posted by Kargokultti:
Sure you might end up with a slew of interesting conditions, e.g. ulcers, cancer and whatnot.


off topic!
Ulcer is a bacterial infection not caused by depression..and cancer; well; as far as today it is considered to be a genetic mutation bla bla bla
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Old 12 December 2005   #68
Originally Posted by s_sbaa: ....
For those who create a work full of nudity, what is the main emotion affecting your mood while working with that body in the picture? Am just wondering!


For most artists here and just about everywhere nude figures are probably the greatest challenge that exists. It's a head study with the difficulty factor multiplied by 8. Whether it's 2d or 3d I would dare to say that our mental and emotional state while working on nude figures is one of utter concentration.

However! One way that cultural frustration or repression is taken advantage of is the production of kinky or pornographic art. This artform and market has always excisted and some extremely beautifull art has been created in that genre. Without an indepth study I would venture to say that all cultures have and do produce this art except that the (quote) 'touchy feely' cultures appear more comfortable viewing it, thus lessening its power.

I won't mention any examples as it will generate a taste war and that is not the point of this discussion.

I see some of the best art that is shown here is not only technically superior but radiates an emotional atmosphere that gives it that extra charge. Without intention in many cases these pieces adress or represent interactive issues making viewer identification easy, entertaining, thought provocing or even educational.

It has been obvious to me from the start that CGTalk has actively encouraged artists to think about what they make and foster an approach that will take our art to 'a higher level'. Words like emotive, evocative and every challenge I have seen here or taken part in has been aimed at pushing us to the story telling edge. This is particularly true of the 3D genre as the majority of us poly jocks are up to our nuts in technology and tend to forget any kind of message. I'm not dissing still life studies but if you could model a car an inject emotion into it that would really be something!

On a personal level I have really enjoyed reading all your responses. Rants about sexuality, religion and politics have been tollerated more recently here and I feel the Art Discussion Forum is a perfect place for them as they are an integral part of what makes us what we are. If I stand back and look at the 3D art I have made then I am quite pleased with my technical progression but miss emotional expression.

The very next piece I make I will ask myself: 'So I am a frustrated wierd individual, what do I have to say about that and how can I use it to make something far more powerful?'.

Cheers Chris.
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Old 12 December 2005   #69
Originally Posted by ashakarc: Regarding your first point, I think you are pointing out to certain population, by assuming this. From what I know for example, Russian culture is very warm and passionate, yet it's grown in a freezer climate. Irish culture is the same, very close and friendly.
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That's because Irish people traditionally live very close to one another and hang out in the pub rather than in each others' houses. Also, children used to practically grow up in the pub, where it was warm and there was a fire in the cold nights. This means that people grew up considering everyone in 'the crowd' their friend. From what I've seen, countries which are sparsely populated tend to produce people who aren't comfortable with immediate friendliness.

Scandinavian countries are a lot more densely populated now than they used to be, so I think eventually people are going to lose that fear of small talk and craic... and become more personable.

Think about it: visitors coming to your farm now and again during the cold winter- you entertain them and are very pleasant and nice etc but if you contrast that to a big crowd coming over to a 'makeshift' pub every night, you can see where personality clusters in countries come from.

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Old 12 December 2005   #70
Originally Posted by Enayla: PhantomDesign -

You know, some of the sweetest, gentlest and most mentally stable people I know happen to be gay. Beyond their taste in partner, most behave, act and live pretty much exactly like everyone else around them. They are just like people all around them – some have issues, some do not.


I have have a few gay guy friends. Before I found out they were gay, I actualy fancied them. I was attracted to their sweet, gentle behaviour. Kind of annoying sometimes that a lot of guys (not all), feel the need to act 'rough'. But then again I'm sometimes attracted the the rough guys, I guess you can't have it all

Originally Posted by Enayla: (hey, some people enjoy the taste of olives, and others – like myself – almost yak at the mere smell of them)


Haha I used to love olives when I was younger but can't stand them now
 
Old 12 December 2005   #71
Olives kick ass I could eat them all day...

British people are quite odd about this whole thing in my experience. We seem to be very open towards verbally communicating what we feel, whereas we shy away from physical contact - like you can scream and shout and swear till you are blue, but touch someone and they wince. I also find that we seem to be very cautious about brushing against strangers in the street etc.

I personally happen to be a very touchy-feely person who cries a lot (not necessarily out of sadness), so I guess I am somewhat of an national oddity there . My best friend (not British, Dutch) also happens to be like me, and from our very open physical behavoir towards each other in this enviroment it is often assumed that he and I are together.

Not really much input into the actual thread there, just thought I'd share my own personal experiences on this matter. I'm enjoying this thread, interesting views people...
 
Old 12 December 2005   #72
You know, some of the sweetest, gentlest and most mentally stable people I know happen to be gay.


yea and some nice people bend to kill others , but they can be otherwise fine people too,
mostly


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Old 12 December 2005   #73
Well, the year I passed at the Philipines Islands the only thing I missed from Spain (my homecountry), were the olives. At Spain you are the whole day eating olives with everything. Instead of peanuts, we have olives with a beer...go figure!

About touching. I am from a country where everybody tends to touch a bit too much to everyone. In fact sometimes I feel really uncomfortable about this because I am from a province where we are less friendly in our behaviour. Here everybody will kiss you when you are introduced to a woman (always twice), and personal contact is continous between everybody. When people come here I have to warn them about this (mainly those who come from Britain), as here it is not considered something offensive helding someone by his arm, or touching him/her to attract the attention or remark something while chatting.

I remember when I was first started to work I was introduced in Madrid to a nice Japanese woman, who was going to be my colegue for some time. Without giving her time to say "Hi", I kissed her twice. She ran off nearly crying, as I later knew not even her mother had kissed her ever. She was really embarrased and I was sad I had caused so much trouble without knowing it. Well, such is life!
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Old 12 December 2005   #74
Originally Posted by ashakarc: off topic!
Ulcer is a bacterial infection not caused by depression..and cancer; well; as far as today it is considered to be a genetic mutation bla bla bla

Yeah and the levels of stress hormones in your blood have nothing to do with your state of health. Sure.

You just keep on believing that.

Originally Posted by Squibbit: yea and some nice people bend to kill others , but they can be otherwise fine people too,
mostly


Jaysus! Dude, you do get the difference between 'homosexual' and a 'homicide' right?

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Old 12 December 2005   #75
Originally Posted by Kargokultti: Jaysus! Dude, you do get the difference between 'homosexual' and a 'homicide' right?


sure different but

both broken



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