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Old 06 June 2005   #1
What Isn't Art?

OK,

With the Roadkill thread and others recently there have been many people ready to leap to defend the artist. Claiming that whatever the artist was doing (no matter how distastful the poster personally thought it was) should be considered art.

My question now then is - What isn't art?

Is there anything at all that you would put in the "It ain't art, no matter who did it" category?
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Old 06 June 2005   #2
poop



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Old 06 June 2005   #3
Originally Posted by Squibbit: poop



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I bet a million dollars someone has molded poop into a sculpture and called it art..

But yeah, definetely not poop, or vomit, or snot or any other item that emits from a human oriface.

Also hatred is not art, it is ignorance

Oh yeah, child porn is a common no no norm shared by all the world, so that falls into not being art. Although Anime sometimes seems to suggest otherwise

(Hm me thinks finding a list of things that are not art will actually be hard)
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Old 06 June 2005   #4
my nans left nostril !!!...
cant think of anything else...
i bet theres a snot sculpture somewhere in the world
 
Old 06 June 2005   #5
For me, the best thing about 'art' is that it's kinda indefinable as far as restricting 'it' to our common notion of boundaries... For me, if it expresses , or invokes a feeling or thought, it's art... Then again, if it 'doesn't' express, or invoke a feeling or thought, it usually just means I don't get it... Art is usually very personal to each individual member of it's audience...

I love taking my kids to the art gallery here in Sydney, and getting their interpretations of all the abstract stuff that has no obvious meaning... It's always very interesting to hear our different perceptions of the same things...

I guess for me... Everything is art... You could take one one of my caned running shoes and hang it on a gallery wall... People will get stimulus from it... Suddenly, it's art...

Sorry, for not being able to really answer the question... I guess art is an experience... What we each define as 'not art' is probably the result of our own culture and belief systems.
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Old 06 June 2005   #6
Originally Posted by Squibbit: poop
http://home.sprynet.com/~mindweb/can.htm

http://www.monpa.com/ba/art.html

http://www.anecdotage.com/index.php?aid=13133

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Old 06 June 2005   #7
u probably think I'm gonna check one of those out.



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PS. special thanks for not posting any images, my world is better for it

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Old 06 June 2005   #8
should'nt every piece of art have a meaning to it?
That's what they learn in school ...

Like a symbol or a description or someting
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Old 06 June 2005   #9
Originally Posted by Cyborgguineapig: I bet a million dollars someone has molded poop into a sculpture and called it art..

But yeah, definetely not poop, or vomit, or snot or any other item that emits from a human oriface.

Cant remember the exact details.. but a few years back some artist made a life sized model of jesus on the cross out of feces and had it suspended in a tank of urine. Was on display in new york.. pissed off a LOT of people.

But it was in a prestigious gallery if i remember right, so someone important saw it as art.
 
Old 06 June 2005   #10
art1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ärt)
n.
  1. Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.
    1. The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of BEAUTY, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium. The study of these activities.
    2. The product of these activities; human works of beauty considered as a group.
  2. High quality of conception or execution, as found in works of beauty; aesthetic value.
  3. A field or category of art, such as music, ballet, or literature.
  4. A nonscientific branch of learning; one of the liberal arts.

    1. system of principles and methods employed in the performance of a set of activities: the art of building.
    2. A trade or craft that applies such a system of principles and methods: the art of the lexicographer.

    1. Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.
    2. Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties: “Self-criticism is an art not many are qualified to practice” (Joyce Carol Oates).

    1. arts Artful devices, stratagems, and tricks.
    2. Artful contrivance; cunning.
  5. Printing. Illustrative material.
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Old 06 June 2005   #11
Everything is art. Everytime I move my head, my eyes frame a set of objects in a new composition. I disagree with you, igorstshirts, because beauty is completely subjective, as are aesthetics. Which is why everything is art. One man's trash is anothers treasure.
 
Old 06 June 2005   #12
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Originally Posted by Nathellion: Everything is art. Everytime I move my head, my eyes frame a set of objects in a new composition. Which is why everything is art. One man's trash is anothers treasure.


Excellent news, now anyone can be an artist regardless of skill level, talent or hard work.
 
Old 06 June 2005   #13
Originally Posted by SpeccySteve: Excellent news, now anyone can be an artist regardless of skill level, talent or hard work.


Excellent news, SpeccySteve completely missed the point. You're acting like the concept of 'being an artist' is some exclusive club. If someone calls themself an artist, it doesn't mean anything other than that they create. The label has no bearing on the artists 'skill level, talent or hard work,' although it is oft used with and defined as having a positive connotation. There is a subjective "good" standard that you or I might judge art by, but does that mean everything that doesn't meet the standard isn't art? I think art is basically anything that incites pattern recognition. That's not to say all art is good art by any means.
 
Old 06 June 2005   #14
I would respond but I am too busy forging art with my moveable head and remarkable "art-eyes".

The compositions fly from my brain, it's almost painful to be filled with so much art and yet to the casual bystander I'm just a bloke "framing art with my eyes".
Unfortunately I must sleep, all those compositions ....lost....like tears in the rain...
 
Old 06 June 2005   #15
Originally Posted by Nathellion: Everything is art. Everytime I move my head, my eyes frame a set of objects in a new composition.


You're not creating art every time you turn your head. You're not even creating art every time you take a photograph. I think art requires communication between artist and audience even if it's an audience of one.

Originally Posted by Nathellion: I disagree with you, igorstshirts, because beauty is completely subjective, as are aesthetics. Which is why everything is art. One man's trash is anothers treasure.


I agree that beauty is subjective. Isn't art subjective, too? I agree that beauty is too narrow a standard for "art", though. It totally excludes Heironymous Bosch.

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