who can call themself an ARTIST?

Become a member of the CGSociety

Connect, Share, and Learn with our Large Growing CG Art Community. It's Free!

THREAD CLOSED
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 05 May 2005   #31
Photography went through the same struggle that digital art is going through now...
__________________
DEATH TO THE LURKING TROLLS! MAY THE STEEL OF BELLS BLEED YOU THROUGH THE EARS AND THE CURSE OF RAVENS FLY YOU INTO OBLIVION.




 
Old 05 May 2005   #32
Originally Posted by Enayla: Nah. What he said, loudly and angrily -- was that no one who does not create something fresh and new and challenging has the right to call themselves an artist.


Linda, this was more the less the definition I had in mind when I made the thread.. The idea of what and who is the artist (en konstnär hörs mycket mer i den riktning jag menade )

The word artist is very much used, especially in the online art forum. I personally think we should be more aware of what 'art' is becoming at the online stage.. After browsing sites and communities I find headings like:
Decorate your home with Real Art - daprints.com
Ofcourse this quote can be doubtful.. especially when you got some what idea of what real art is.. I dont know yet, but there are certainly some expectations out there.. and i believe in some of them..

-
But yeah..
everyone who creates something creative like paint, write poems or create interresting creatures in the cornflakes have the right to call them self an artist.. or atleast call their actions artistic.
__________________
.personal gallery.
www.EGILPAULSEN.com
 
Old 05 May 2005   #33
Oz. I didnt start this thread concerning what art techniques are used and what is acceptable. Digital art is also used much by "Artists"
__________________
.personal gallery.
www.EGILPAULSEN.com
 
Old 05 May 2005   #34
Everyone is an artist.
 
Old 05 May 2005   #35
anyone can call himself an artist if he wants to and anyone can call u an artist..i personaly see myself as a begginer artist and i don't care much what people think of me..it's how u see yourself in an honest way that really counts

as far as the questions in the first post..hmm i guess u just use common sense..but the word artist have nothing to do with who gets paid for what he does..also the word artist is just like the word art..what is art and what is not..i guess people can argue about this forever..everyone see art in a different way..same thing for the word artist, it's all about opinions
__________________
Master & Servant 2d challenge
 
Old 05 May 2005   #36
Yeah, as if this topic hasn't been debated ad nausium since the begining of the usenet.

In general, art is a deeply personal expression through any avialable medium, even light, the earth, anything. So if what you do is express yourself through a medium then you're an artist. You may or may not be a very good one, or not have anything interesting to say, but you're still an artist.

Illustration is a commercial transaction and the work in question may or may not be "art" as defined above. In recent times, there has been a fashion for designers and commercial artists to be more "artistic" but it's hard to tell how long this fashion will last. A good example might be in the magazine "Cooks Illustrated", my favorite cooking mag. Inside the magazine steps in preparing a certain dish are often illustrated in highly rendered pencil drawings. These are, in my book, illustrations. They lack any emotional content at all. The cover of the same magazine is often a nice pastel of a featured dish inside. These occupy a sort of grey area in my mind, they are nicely done and convey a certain mood but I wouldn't call them fine art.

It's something of a common place to denigrate fine art these days. Mainly, I believe, because people are ignorant in the arts because we don't teach art in the schools anymore. The teachers are too busy ducking the gunshots and feel lucky if they can graduate a student who is moderately literate. Another reason is that many people, especially artists, being uneducated in the form and history of their trade, are insecure, so some people fall back on a defense mechanism of bad mouthing what one doesn't understand. Worse still, jingoism is all the rage these days.

Personally, I like high and low brow art, insider and outsider, fine and commercial art, anything. But it has to speak to me or reach out and slap me upside the head. Something! As for myself, I consider myself an artist, but recently I've been through a rough period and havn't produced much.

If you put your heart and soul into something, you're and artist, period.
__________________
Silly rabbit, tripping is for teenagers, murder is for muderers and hard drugs are for bartenders. -- The Hold Steady
 
Old 05 May 2005   #37
This is one of the few references on "art" I could find, besides there being little comprehension as to why we even have the word I find the most unsettling the little undertsanding that is found as to the effects of it. Only the specific artforms that can be found lucrative are seemingly held in high regard. Above that, I see actually no purpose in holding any value to a word which can be as easily spoken as a dog can pass wind. But what the hey, we try to be civilised don't we.

Well I believe in the context of this thread I'd like to point out number 7.b, allthough a comes into play equally I think it holds the most truth. Equally valuable perceptions at that.

Enjoy your self-criticism.

[source: web: the free dictionary.com]


Quote: art

Word:
art
1 Pronunciation (ärt)
n.
1. Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.
2.
a. The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.
b. The study of these activities.
c. The product of these activities; human works of beauty considered as a group.
3. High quality of conception or execution, as found in works of beauty; aesthetic value.
4. A field or category of art, such as music, ballet, or literature.
5. A nonscientific branch of learning; one of the liberal arts.
6.
a. A system of principles and methods employed in the performance of a set of activities: the art of building.
b. A trade or craft that applies such a system of principles and methods: the art of the lexicographer.
7.
a. Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.
b. Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties: "Self-criticism is an art not many are qualified to practice" Joyce Carol Oates.
8.
a. arts Artful devices, stratagems, and tricks.
b. Artful contrivance; cunning.
9. Printing Illustrative material.
[Middle English, from Old French, from Latin ars, art-; see ar- in Indo-European roots.]
Synonyms: art1, craft, expertise, knack, know-how, technique
These nouns denote skill in doing or performing that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of rhetoric; pottery that reveals an artist's craft; political expertise; a knack for teaching; mechanical know-how; a precise diving technique.

art

2 Pronunciation (rt; ärt when stressed)

v. Archaic
A second person singular present indicative of be.
[Middle English, from Old English eart; see er-1 in Indo-European roots.]
__________________
modelling practice #1

Last edited by jmBoekestein : 05 May 2005 at 02:49 AM.
 
Old 05 May 2005   #38
Originally Posted by eparts: this was more the less the definition I had in mind when I made the thread..


here's something to think about... "fresh and new" doesn't really mean that much in the long run. in 400 years people looking back on the work of artists of today will not be thinking so much about what was fresh and new, but what is good.

take Bach as an example. he did nothing new. while other composers were starting to move from counterpoint to chordal harmony, bach stayed with counterpoint and perfected it more than any other composer. people of his time thought he was stuck in the past and not doing anything "fresh and new and challenging." now when we look back on music of that era, we recognize that he was a great composer because style is just style, and when you're far far removed from the trends of the 18th century like we are, you actually just see what's good.

you can even notice this with film... movies like seven samurai and citizen kane, that were very innovative.... if you show them to someone now, who's seen all of the things that were new about them in hundreds of other movies since... they'll like them because they are good movies, but probably not realize, or care about the historical importance of them.
__________________

 
Old 05 May 2005   #39
Originally Posted by NOOB!: huh? wha?

aight,so i'm gunna avoid all the cheesy crap about *its in ur heart* and instead say WTF!

cos,the question itself i feel is a bit....*hey use ur common sense*-ish if u follow me,heh.

anyone can call emself an artist,cos its what u do.

its like saying, *when can i be called an actor*....ehm...when u start acting maybe?

when can i call this a chocolate bar,uhm....WELL JUST LOOK AT IT! lol.

when can i call myself a male?.....look...in the mirror...whats that...a penis...thats right.hehe

i think u guys get my point.if not,feel free to kick my ass when u see me in the street one day



If I ever see you on the street I will kick you in the ass

It wasn't meant to be chessy just trying to simplify everyones misguided theories on wha an artist is

Tha being said...

This might be the lamest thread on all of CG talk.. Why don't all you "artists" get back to... what ever the hell it is you do....
__________________

MAKE!


 
Old 05 May 2005   #40
How's the spelling coming along NOOB, are they letting you out of the third grade this year?

Would be fun to play with grown ups wouldn't it. Yes I bet you would.


For crying out loud, first I skip the post for the silly language then it gets quoted and it still is a ghastly example of ignorance. If you take everything at face value where would we be? Next thing you know we'll be flung to the stone age again because it ain't got no jiggie wih it! com-mu-ni-ca-tion.
__________________
modelling practice #1

Last edited by jmBoekestein : 05 May 2005 at 02:38 AM.
 
Old 05 May 2005   #41
Hypercube:

I didn't say such things, if you read both of my posts they will seem contradicting but related, just like modern and neo-classic art.

I only said that true Artists are actually quite humble, and try to specify if not deny the art the produce. in addition, the ancient masters joked about their artistry...

I feel quite ashamed that modern artists blab to everyone about being artists...

cheers
__________________
Quote: Originally Posted by urg
Didn't I tell you? I'm rowing over to save money. Wish me luck!


Latest Work

Last edited by cha0t1c1 : 05 May 2005 at 03:24 AM.
 
Old 05 May 2005   #42
found on encyclopedia:
Artist is a broad term. This is because the activities of artistic production are many and various. Often we speak of writers, actors, dancers, musicians, filmmakers and singers as artists. A more restricted meaning is one who makes (usually visual) art, i.e. a Fine Artist. This also distinguishes Artist from one who makes objects that can be categorised as being works of Applied Art.

The broader meanings of the term artist are cited in the Oxford English dictionary as follows:
  • A learned person or Master of Arts.
  • One who persues a practical science, traditionally medicine, astrology, alchemy, chemistry.
  • A follower of a pursuit in which skill comes by study or practice - the opposite of a theorist.
  • a follower of a manual art, such as a mechanic.
  • one who makes their craft a fine art.
Visual Arts can be sub-divided into two-dimensional media (Painting, Drawing, Printmaking, Photography, Graphic Design, Typography, Textile Design or Surface Pattern Design), three-dimensional art can be sub-divided into (Sculpture, Ceramics, Architecture) etc., four-dimensional media into (Performance Art, Film, Video, Movement). There is another category that does not fit comfortably into any of these three areas, namely Conceptual Art.


We all are artists in a way.. but maybe more humble artists, like "artisans" wich mean craftmen in french

For my part the Artist (with the big A) is someone who inspires others by his talent, or imagination.
__________________
-- pascal blanché --
- - " If only you could see what I've seen with your eyes... " (Roy, Nexus 6). - - -
---BLOG---

Last edited by pascal_blanche : 05 May 2005 at 03:30 AM.
 
Old 05 May 2005   #43
Originally Posted by cha0t1c1: I didn't say such things, if you read both of my posts they will seem contradicting but related, just like modern and neo-classic art.

I only said that true Artists are actually quite humble, and try to specify if not deny the art the produce. in addition, the ancient masters joked about their artistry...

I feel quite ashamed that modern artists blab to everyone about being artists...
Well, I wasn't specifically only addressing your posts, I was simply saying what I thought in general.

I definitely don't feel it's right to run around talking about how awesome you are either, and some people take the 'artist lifestyle' thing way too far as well, like it's some kind of chip on their shoulder, and they have to be more bohemian and more 'into it' than the next guy.

But I don't think you have to be completely apologetic about it and shirk it either, most artists if they care about what they're doing are their own worst critics anyway, and will be the first to note things they could improve, or take reasonable criticism, and are always trying to learn more. But if you're happy with how something turned out, saying so isn't necessarily runaway ego either. If you don't get some kind of enjoyment out of it or can't take even a smidgeon of pride in some of what you create, then you kind of have to wonder why you'd be doing it. Regardless you should be able to say it's what you do, if it's what you do, on the most basic level.

Anyway I think there should be a balance of both, all things in moderation..it's bad if no one ever takes you seriously at all, but at the same time you can't take yourself too seriously.

Hope any of that made any kind of sense.
 
Old 05 May 2005   #44
art is art,
trying to classify it is without merit.

anyone who does anything creative can call themselves an artist if they want.

I've been drawing all my life,
been into cg for some of my life,
and I rarely call myself "an artist"

but doesn't mean i'm not one,
just don't like barfing the term out at everyone to try and act spiffy.

to ask who/what is considered an artist almost makes it seem like you want to label it,
and that isn't something it needs really.
__________________
-Tomi
portfolio: TOMIAJAYI.com
 
Old 05 May 2005   #45
Originally Posted by jmBoekestein: How's the spelling coming along NOOB, are they letting you out of the third grade this year?

Would be fun to play with grown ups wouldn't it. Yes I bet you would.


For crying out loud, first I skip the post for the silly language then it gets quoted and it still is a ghastly example of ignorance. If you take everything at face value where would we be? Next thing you know we'll be flung to the stone age again because it ain't got no jiggie wih it! com-mu-ni-ca-tion.


lol,using the *spelling bashing* technique are we,so many people bash ur spelling when they can't back up their points with sumthin better.and its fun too cos i admire ur art jim.

half of forums type like this to save time maybe?

*jigge with it* ??? i'm loving the prejudice attitude man.

great job on losing a fan.

p.s. ur telling me about ignorance? u just typed the most ignorant thing ever,i don't speak the way u do so that automatically means my point is worthless?

anyway,i'm gunna shrug this off and go for a jog,i've come across too many *hey this guy isn't speaking the queens english,so he is nothing* types to let it frustrate me.

bye bye.

Last edited by NOOB! : 05 May 2005 at 09:45 AM.
 
Thread Closed share thread



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
CGSociety
Society of Digital Artists
www.cgsociety.org

Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2006,
Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Minimize Ads
Forum Jump
Miscellaneous

All times are GMT. The time now is 09:34 AM.


Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.