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Old 04 April 2005   #16
i seem to be going through a BROM phase that has lasted a couple of years now
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Old 04 April 2005   #17
I've copied Sargent primarily, but also Bouguereau, Charles Bargue, Vanderpoel, Bridgman. It is immensly helpful to do so becuase it has helped me acquire taste as well as problem solving skills when doing my own work.
 
Old 04 April 2005   #18
Copy of a copy

Copy ?? . Even if you have a great idee, someware in the world, somewone has done a look alike
or done an original before without you possebly knowing it. But the trick is to give it your personal touch, look an feeling. Thats wat makes something exeptional.
Thats the way I think.
 
Old 04 April 2005   #19
I think that there is a great difference between being influenced by other artists work and copying it consciously. Being influenced can be understood as a healthy sign, it tells the world around you that you respond, reflect and investigate the exterior world, at a conscious and subconscious level. Its almost impossible not to be influenced by the time we live in unless you make a real hard effort and stay in a hut in say northern Canada with no abilities to communicate with anyone All Im trying to say is that I think its great that people get influenced, its also quite important from an evolutionary stand point. Perpetual feedback loops of visual information distorted by humans over and over again, its wonderful.

Copying however, I still dont see the point unless its to gain specific technical skills and learn about the "laws" of art. Its just a dangerous path, for me. I get locked in the belief that what I am presently doing is right and it starts shaping the way I think and process my own ideas, hence further increasing the gab between my art and whats true to me. Im not saying other people cant benefit or add to their total potential this way, I just get confused and lose sense of what I really want to achieve.

> cipher yes, I have done lots of tutorials, and they dont confuse me in the above mentioned way at all, but they might take away some of my own initiative for finding alternate solutions, or worse let me believe that this is the smartest way to do it. They are a great way to learn specific workflows and techniques, love them!

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Old 04 April 2005   #20
I disagree with Faber just for the sake of disagreement and pissing him off( j/k)...
wazzup Faber...

I actually agree with Faber Copying is useless it doesn't build your style, you just end up looking like someone else. but influence causes that slight delicious hint of difference that makes ur art unique...
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Old 04 April 2005   #21
Originally Posted by cha0t1c1: I disagree with Faber just for the sake of disagreement and pissing him off( j/k)...
wazzup Faber...

I actually agree with Faber Copying is useless it doesn't build your style, you just end up looking like someone else. but influence causes that slight delicious hint of difference that makes ur art unique...


I tend to agree, and I think the individuals speaking are all using their own definition, and interpretation of the word word copy, and it has blurred the lines of the topic a bit. I know I did.
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Old 04 April 2005   #22
I'd say that copying is highly worth it. I am still trying to learn some of the "technical" skills, especially on balancing "real style" with "fun style", but I find that whenever I try to copy an image, it always changes somewhere around.

My main tasks now are trying to build up light in my pictures. Stark colors are important to me, and I'm in a Humanities English class at the moment, so one of our often used vocab terms is chiaroscuro. I'm looking into Baroque artists now that use a lot of that, especially Caravaggio and Gentileschi. I tried to do a sketch directly copying Caravaggio's "The Calling of St. Matthew" but it changed dramatically and ended up looking in copying.
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Old 04 April 2005   #23
This is, as you say Faber, the entire point of copying another artist's work or style, to "gain specific technical skills and learn about the "laws" of art." It used to be standard practice in art schools to have the pupils try to recreate works from other great artists. In fact, even those great artists themselves would tutor under other artists by copying the master's style to help paint their artworks.
That said, there is certainly a point reached where you need to start forging your own style. However I do find myself picking up certain stylistic elements of an artist when I've been looking at a lot of their work. Sometimes you do it on purpose because you really like the way they draw a particular feature and such. It all blends together to form your own style because certainly, no two artists ever draw exactly alike...and wouldnt it be rather boring if they did.
I was rather influenced by Eric Kincaid when I was a child. I had several books he illustrated and I spent a lot of time trying to recreate his style. It gives you a groundwork on which to build your own style, I think.
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Old 04 April 2005   #24
one of my biggest regrets is not copying more when i was younger. i should have been copying everyone--the masters, comic books, graphic novels, porn, postcards, magazines, F***, whatever. but there was a big taboo about not copying work when i was drawing (from like...8 years old to about 19) and now i feel like i'm playing catch up. so copy while you can, so you can have all that pencil milage and pencil memory to draw upon when you're creating something unique. hell, if anyone gives you s*** about copying, tell them you're doing a study, then drop an elbow into the top of their soft skull, because they deserve it.

just my opinion.
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Old 04 April 2005   #25
Quote: Pavlovich one of my biggest regrets is not copying more when i was younger. i should have been copying everyone--the masters, comic books, graphic novels, porn, postcards, magazines, F***, whatever. but there was a big taboo about not copying work when i was drawing (from like...8 years old to about 19) and now i feel like i'm playing catch up. so copy while you can, so you can have all that pencil milage and pencil memory to draw upon when you're creating something unique. hell, if anyone gives you s*** about copying, tell them you're doing a study, then drop an elbow into the top of their soft skull, because they deserve it. just my opinion.


of course,what schools of art are for?
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Old 05 May 2005   #26
as a child learning a language for the first time, you learn by copying the alphabet; alphabets that have been designed centuries ago. that doesn't mean that everything you write after your initial learning process is unoriginal.
copying is pretty vital to the learning process. no one starts off with a vast knowledge of art. you start by seeing what others have done before you; you 'copy' it into your mind. you exercise the techniques you witness, and slowly adapt by changing it, making it grow, evolve from your own experiences. that's where the individuality sets in; when you let your own experiences merge with the techniques you've learned from previous masters, books, school, etc. it's where the line between influence and copying blur.
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Old 05 May 2005   #27
I catch styles like flu. Copying is a guilty pleasure, I do it sometimes in order to see if I can, but mostly it goes so that I see something I like and then it's in my head and I can't get rid of it.

Like Jamie Hewlett's Tank Girl. I don't own any of the albums, but the compositions and postures were so delicious that they're still hanging around strongly, like a gang of Hell's Angels.

I think copying is often like fan fiction: they say that you sort of 'graduate' from fan fiction into a fiction of your own, but we've yet to see an internationally acclaimed author with a background in fan fiction. Copying is a time-honoured method in art education, but there's a fine line between developing your technical abilities and not developing your own thing.
 
Old 05 May 2005   #28
Originally Posted by Faber: I think that there is a great difference between being influenced by other artists work and copying it consciously. Being influenced can be understood as a healthy sign, it tells the world around you that you respond, reflect and investigate the exterior world, at a conscious and subconscious level. Its almost impossible not to be influenced by the time we live in unless you make a real hard effort and stay in a hut in say northern Canada with no abilities to communicate with anyone All Im trying to say is that I think its great that people get influenced, its also quite important from an evolutionary stand point. Perpetual feedback loops of visual information distorted by humans over and over again, its wonderful.

Copying however, I still dont see the point unless its to gain specific technical skills and learn about the "laws" of art. Its just a dangerous path, for me. I get locked in the belief that what I am presently doing is right and it starts shaping the way I think and process my own ideas, hence further increasing the gab between my art and whats true to me. Im not saying other people cant benefit or add to their total potential this way, I just get confused and lose sense of what I really want to achieve.

> cipher yes, I have done lots of tutorials, and they dont confuse me in the above mentioned way at all, but they might take away some of my own initiative for finding alternate solutions, or worse let me believe that this is the smartest way to do it. They are a great way to learn specific workflows and techniques, love them!


I think don't think copying is a bad thing - it just has to be kept in perspective.

David Hockney has said (and I have used this paraphrase before ) "copying is a marvellous way to learn, it teaches you to see through other peoples eyes".

Itten (and I have sited this example previously) had his students at the Bauhas, and later, copy (reproductions of) masterpeices, drawing over them using tracing paper to learn about composition, rythmn, light/dark etc.

I think you can gain insights by copying, that you cannot any other way - provided that the copying is understood as merely a form of study. Ultimately you have to know when to walk away from it.

The influence of other artists, upon one, is a very important step in artistic development, perhaps copying can be understood as sub-set of that influence, to be used at the students discretion.

Oh, and IMO, artistic "principles" are more important than artistic "rules"

Gord

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Old 05 May 2005   #29
To add my own .02, copying another artist is a very reasonable approach to learning, but one has to be careful, or at least aware of the problems it can cause. Most likely that artist was also inspired by another, so your work would become even more diluted. Seek out the source instead, and you may find an even more original approach. Also, this artist has done most of the hard work for you. There are decisions to be made when starting a work that you would be bypassing if you begin from where they left off. This teaches you nothing. Analyse what it is that is exactly inpiring you in this artist's work, and go from there.

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Old 05 May 2005   #30
I geuss the right word would be inspired by or not?As most of the time whe start of by letting ourselfs be inspired by others work and try to reproduce it, but in the process you develope your own approach and style. At the end it will offcourse be your intrepetation of the piece.
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