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Old 04-06-2005, 10:02 PM   #1
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Police Raid Club Over Nude 'Art Night'

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"An Idaho strip club that attempted to get around a ban on full nudity by giving patrons sketch pads for special "art nights" was cited for violating the city's nudity rules, officials said on Tuesday"

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Old 04-06-2005, 10:36 PM   #2
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reminds me of a song: "I fought the law and the law won."

reminds me of a phrase: "You can't fight City Hall".

In all seriousness, if there is a city ban on full nudity, then either comply with the law or relocate to an area with less stringent zoning laws.

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Old 04-06-2005, 10:45 PM   #3
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I wonder if smoking is allowed indoor by that city !!

I guess the police just needed an excuse to get in.
 
Old 04-06-2005, 10:47 PM   #4
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I hope those patrons were good at gesture drawings - I don't imagine the 'models' were holding a pose for too long.

In a similar vein though, how often do you get voyeurs/perverts turning up at life-drawing classes (never been myself)?
 
Old 04-06-2005, 10:52 PM   #5
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In a similar vein though, how often do you get voyeurs/perverts turning up at life-drawing classes (never been myself)?

not that often, cause it's usually cheaper to go to a strip club.
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Old 04-06-2005, 11:15 PM   #6
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hmmm, kind of a touchy situation. Id say that if this were realy a ligitimate "art" event, even at a strip club, Id be realy upset. Actualy it sounds like a cool idea, as the women that pose in most figure drawing classes arnt.. er... good comic book babe references? But if your models are strippers chances are you are you will get good practice on "babe" drawing.

but chances are the owner was just looking for a loop hole in the system.

and no, not a lot of perverts in figure drawing classes. Honestly they would get realy bored. After staring at a nude woman for about an hour strait you get over it. LOL
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Old 04-06-2005, 11:54 PM   #7
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I wonder if the police recovered anything interesting from the sketchbooks
 
Old 04-07-2005, 01:01 AM   #8
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I've seen it so many times now that many cultures have laws against adults seeing the naked human form but have no problem showing and even promoting violence and killing on the TV.(whether real or simulated)

I'm not saying a strip club is an ideal or respectful forum for seeing the the human body either, but pointing out an interesting and somewhat sad disparity in how we see ourselves.
 
Old 04-07-2005, 01:10 AM   #9
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Old 04-07-2005, 01:23 AM   #10
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I wonder if the police recovered anything interesting from the sketchbooks


They couldnt tell, the pages were stuck together.
 
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I've seen it so many times now that many cultures have laws against adults seeing the naked human form but have no problem showing and even promoting violence and killing on the TV.(whether real or simulated)

I'm not saying a strip club is an ideal or respectful forum for seeing the the human body either, but pointing out an interesting and somewhat sad disparity in how we see ourselves.


There is a vast difference between simulated violence and real violence.

Killing on TV isn't that bad- at least on the networks. No nudity, no brutal violence.
On cable, you can show a bit more skin, and a bit more brutal violence.
In theaters, you can receive an "R" rating just as much for violence as nudity.

In short, I think your statement is incorrect: the violence that is allowed is no more objectionable than the amount of nudity. There is no disparity.

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I've seen it so many times now that many cultures have laws against adults seeing the naked human form but have no problem showing and even promoting violence and killing on the TV.(whether real or simulated)

I'm not saying a strip club is an ideal or respectful forum for seeing the the human body either, but pointing out an interesting and somewhat sad disparity in how we see ourselves.


I pretty much agree, I find naked people pretty inoffensive compared to random acts of violence and I for one would like to see our tv censorship / moderation leaning more towards that school of thought but I fully accept this might be a culture / regional thang.

Each to their own and that, I personally feel less offended by boobies than a graphic re-enactment of a brutal murder. ( ch5, I'm looking at you..)

Back on topic, I'd love to see those sketchbooks.
 
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There is a vast difference between simulated violence and real violence.

Killing on TV isn't that bad- at least on the networks. No nudity, no brutal violence.
On cable, you can show a bit more skin, and a bit more brutal violence.
In theaters, you can receive an "R" rating just as much for violence as nudity.

In short, I think your statement is incorrect: the violence that is allowed is no more objectionable than the amount of nudity. There is no disparity.

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I guess my question should be more along the lines of "Why is nudity considered as offensive as violence?" in the context of what you wrote.
I'd rather my 2 year old saw a pair of boobs on TV than someone getting shot in the chest. I know which disturbs her and which doesn't even rate a mention.

Anyway, I think we've strayed OT here a bit! My apologies.
 
Old 04-07-2005, 11:26 AM   #14
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Good points Evilgnome and I agree with both your posts.

I think this stripclub owner was just trying out a loophole although it is a pretty good idea. At Art School we had a lot of models who weren't really physically fit. I wonder how they'd feel if I turned up at Spearmint Rhinos with a sketchpad ?
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Old 04-07-2005, 04:07 PM   #15
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there is a part at the beginning of notes from a small island, where bill bryson discusses some of the little quirks of britishness. things like considering tea and cake a terribly wicked indulgence, which form the american standpoint seems rather crazy, you want tea and cake you just have it you don't expend any thoughts of guilt over the matter, it's just tea and cake for chrisakes... however he goes on to explain that after a while of living in the UK he really began to appreciate this for himself, and enjoy that part rather more, in fact as a result of changing his attitude about such a simple thing he came to enjoy it so very much more rather than treating it in a blaze manner.

i rather feel the same about nudity/sex etc. a certain ammount of prudity goes a long way to making it more special. i don't particularly want to be a person for whom it's meaningless (even in lifedrawing it's important for it to have some weight of value and meaning, to be a special situation)... but society as a whole these days certainly seems to want it to be that way, when everyone is bohemian - no-one is.
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