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Old 09-01-2010, 02:22 PM   #16
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Yeah, I think Okzorg stated it very well. Have the artist state their time but not be dictated by it.
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:33 PM   #17
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Time limits are good. This is a sketch forum, not a polished work forum. If you want to go over time that is fine, just post a w.i.p. of what you had done when the time limit hit along with your finished work.
 
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I like the TLs as they are, the 120mins could be a tiny bit more frequently (IMO).

Some random suggestions for the DSF-specials:

- pencil-courses: drawing hands, legs, torso, special landscapes, surfaces etc. (for those without a scanner: simple rules : 1 brush, 1 brushsize and black/white only)
- drawing styles (JurajMolcak mentioned lineart and "no visible line"-art all ready) I think there are a lot more to go...matte-painting, expressionism, cubism, futurism or even photomontage / retouche etc.


-mash up my sketch (this would work as a sticky thread only...)
The thread starts with one given sketch. The 1st person who replies got to post the text: locked (placeholder). Now he can nick the image and draw on top of it, change it until he's happy. After uploading, he can edit his reply and post the new version of the sketch. Now it open for the next artist to give his love or hate to the sketch. Just an endless mutation of 1 image by many artists could be fun.

Sorry for my bad english..I hope you got the point.
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:46 PM   #19
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I like the TLs as they are, the 120mins could be a tiny bit more frequently (IMO).

Some random suggestions for the DSF-specials:

- pencil-courses: drawing hands, legs, torso, special landscapes, surfaces etc. (for those without a scanner: simple rules : 1 brush, 1 brushsize and black/white only)
- drawing styles (JurajMolcak mentioned lineart and "no visible line"-art all ready) I think there are a lot more to go...matte-painting, expressionism, cubism, futurism or even photomontage / retouche etc.


-mash up my sketch (this would work as a sticky thread only...)
The thread starts with one given sketch. The 1st person who replies got to post the text: locked (placeholder). Now he can nick the image and draw on top of it, change it until he's happy. After uploading, he can edit his reply and post the new version of the sketch. Now it open for the next artist to give his love or hate to the sketch. Just an endless mutation of 1 image by many artists could be fun.

Sorry for my bad english..I hope you got the point.


I agree the 120tl is good. Not very excited about drawing style limitations. I do really like the mash up sketch idea though!
 
Old 09-08-2010, 06:31 PM   #20
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I agree the 120tl is good. Not very excited about drawing style
limitations. I do really like the mash up sketch idea though!


Good ideas guys, keep em coming.
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Old 09-12-2010, 12:45 AM   #21
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-mash up my sketch (this would work as a sticky thread only...)

Sounds fun! Things like avatar snowball fights were great fun to watch. (of course, it's a bit hard for people like me with no avatar )

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what about "line art only" and "no visible line art" challenges? Something for the sake of practise

Yes, especially if it was optional (as TheRed suggests). Just something to spice it up a bit!
 
Old 09-12-2010, 05:01 AM   #22
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drawing styles would be great. i have to admit i'm extremely lazy and i never go out of my photoshop style (i draw and paint very differently by hand, even my subject matter changes drastically), so something to force me out of it and try new things would be great.
 
Old 10-13-2010, 05:02 AM   #23
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Time Limits

I like the time limits, mostly dealing in the 30 min/60 min range. It adds to the challenge of it all, making us consider the importance of time economy in art. Orson Welles used to say 'The enemy of art is the absence of limitations' Some of my best work and improvement have come out of such limits.
 
Old 10-15-2010, 11:25 PM   #24
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I vote to keep the time limits.

I always used this challenge to throw a quick idea onto a page and flex my now atrophied creative muscles; not to produce a finished piece. I'm fine with including some extended time challenges and NTLs, though.

I also like the idea of not having the time limit so precise. I try to do these at work between calls, keeping track of exact time is difficult.
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Old 10-23-2010, 05:38 AM   #25
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Well, although I'm not one them, apparently there are enough people who find the time limits motivational and useful and since there are those of us who don't, why not have it both ways. It is already pretty much like that - a lot of people will not stop if they feel more work is needed and I don't think anyone will keep working if they feel the sketch is ready before the time limit. But to avoid deterring people who think that the time limits are not enough for their ideas, the rules should be put in such way that attracts more work to this forum.
Although I've seen a lot of artists calling their finished work sketches to describe more spontaneous art, originally and still by definition, a sketch is a relatively faster version of a finished artwork. However "relatively fast" can mean quite different things - some people may spend months on a very detailed finished work and for such projects may consider a sketch several hours or even days of work. I think it is up to the artist to decide how to consider and call their work - sketch or finished. I don't think it is a good idea to use the DSF rules to filter out work that some may consider as more polished.

Regarding using time limits for comparison - I don't think comparison is possible here and it should not be taken seriously. There are no rules for reporting what can be considered time spent for a sketch. If you are dealing with a client or employer, the time needed will start when you see and start thinking about the topic and will end when you deliver the sketch. The only reliable way to make a comparison about what different artists can make in a certain time is to put them in an environment like a school exam using the same soft and hardware. And that will be very useless information because it won't tell how an artist is capable in other environments and time limits.

Also everyone is unique and works differently. Personally I never work continuously more than 10 minutes. I have a timer program that interrupts me every 10 min and blocks the input for 60 seconds. I'm a free lancer and that's how I'm used to work on jobs, I never take long breaks but to save my hands, eyes, and mind LOL, I make frequent short breaks. However when it is not a job but sketching for fun those frequent breaks are always much longer than a minute which makes it very hard to be precise with reporting the time. On top of that I'm not sure what to report. For example I often make sketches that I never post because I don't like them at all, but I may try a few sketches, sometimes very similar, on the same topic and if I end up with a posted sketch, I know very well that this was possible because of the time spent for practicing on the previous sketches, so what time should I report for the final sketch? And funny enough sometimes I work longer and realize the an earlier stage is much better.
 
Old 10-23-2010, 06:11 AM   #26
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I also would like to share a few thoughts about time limit vs image goal. I have some practice working directly with clients and I'm yet so see a project where the time limit is priority. Time limit is often a requirement but never a priority. The priority is always the image that the client and the artist have in mind. If there is not enough time to create the desired image, the client will say "forget it, we don't have time" they will never say "we don't have time for what we want, but we will use whatever can be done".
So, in my experience, it is much more useful practice to first aim for achieving the image in your mind and then practice on speeding things up, than to do something in the time limit.

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Old 10-24-2010, 03:22 AM   #27
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I think, a reasonable broad time limit is good like "70 to 100" min, not too strict because this is not a school exam. (If you become a professional commercial illustrator, you will be forced to get used to time limits anyway.) By trying to establish a strict time plan and even adding many time categories, it will get confusing and the artist will only look at the time limit instead of creating some fun art. I really like that there is a topic for each drawing and this will make me think what to sketch and then it is up to me to choose which medium to use, be it colorful oil paint or gray scale values only. It keeps my mind fresh and i can try out new techniques and methods. The best thing is when i see what the other artists have come up with.
But i do like the idea of having a limited topic challenge every now and then, maybe once a week or 2 weeks, like draw this and that in the style of this and that artist or use only snippets from magazines to make a collage or whatever...
By throwing in some special challenges i think it can spice up the Daily Sketch.
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I think, a reasonable broad time limit is good like "70 to 100" min, not too strict because this is not a school exam. (If you become a professional commercial illustrator, you will be forced to get used to time limits anyway.) By trying to establish a strict time plan and even adding many time categories, it will get confusing and the artist will only look at the time limit instead of creating some fun art. I really like that there is a topic for each drawing and this will make me think what to sketch and then it is up to me to choose which medium to use, be it colorful oil paint or gray scale values only. It keeps my mind fresh and i can try out new techniques and methods. The best thing is when i see what the other artists have come up with.
But i do like the idea of having a limited topic challenge every now and then, maybe once a week or 2 weeks, like draw this and that in the style of this and that artist or use only snippets from magazines to make a collage or whatever...
By throwing in some special challenges i think it can spice up the Daily Sketch.


Great ideas.
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Old 11-21-2010, 01:05 AM   #29
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I'm unsure as to why time limits are such an issue....As it stands your not penalized or prevented from going over the time limit; your simply asked to post what you've done at the designated time limit AS WELL AS your final piece. I personally really like this, the reason being I'm no where near being considered a strong/competent digital/traditional painter, so by being able to see where everyone else is at the time limit, as well as when they're finished with it, I am able to break it down and analyse how that persons approached the piece and then able to learn something from it.

I think if the 15/30/etc. limits were dropped it would be a blow felt by people in a similar position to myself. The only thing i think needs working on is the amount of people submitting work....but you cant really force people to pick up a graphics tab so...*shrugs* maybe get a little box up on the main page showing the current theme for DSF to try and entice a few more people to take a look.


Edit: And i really like the idea of the image-mash-up!! Its the sort of thing i do with friends during lectures to help get through the drier periods

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Old 03-20-2011, 07:55 PM   #30
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As the feedback-thread is outdated, I post some random thoughts for the latest dsf-changes here:

I like the new topics and experiments (I wish I'd have more time to contribute)
The experiments and new "rules" make me start thinking of different ways of scribbling.
Thanks for the implant

Creeto (and a few more) mentioned a "Like-Button" like Twitter/Facebook and Co.
This sounds like a simple way to expand the network, vote and share scribbles.

Also, it was a good move to bin the old voting-system.
The monthly "best-of" thread is a good alternative, but I don't think people really like to nominate their own scribbles. As long as there is no proper voting-system... I'd choose Roberto (or any other admin) to pick some good scribbles.
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