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02 February 2010, 10:59 PM
Tony Stell is entered in the "B-Movie" update: View Challenge Page (

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02 February 2010, 11:50 PM (

My friend and I got an idea, jumped the gun and did all of the principal photg in one day. It's gonna be rotoscoping hell. Here's a 5 panel composite of one of the shots. SPOILER: There's gonna be fire and hot sauce in subsequent scenes.

02 February 2010, 05:55 PM (

Software: After Effects

Peiced together a trailer using bits of previz, going for dramatic effect. Original music also included. Models by Noggin and Digital Design from Daz3d. News graphics from VideoCopilot. Would you pay 9 bucks to see this?

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02 February 2010, 08:39 PM
It appears I got started a tad in reverse of the conventional production routine. My brother-in-law and I got together to hash out a story. The next thing we know, we're running around the neighborhood with a video camera shootin' scenes. As the fx guy, I should have known the bind this would put me in. The rough edit with voice overs, tho, was quite funny. The concept is two kung fu guys who speak a non descript langauge the audience never hears due to classic '70's horrible kung fu movie over dubs. Their town is attacked by killer chickens and they must save the day. The live action shoot, intended as a previz, wound up being a keeper.

In other news, it turns out the 3d model chicken I purchased from Daz3d (I'm not much of a modeler) has no wings. Shouldn't be too hard to rectify.

I've written a theme song and am well on my way to completing 3 background peices for the segments that I think need a boost. Can we upload audio WIP's?

More to come.

02 February 2010, 01:33 AM (

Software: After Effects

Can ya get more B-Movie that this?

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02 February 2010, 11:37 AM
haha thats fantastic! killing a mutant turkey chicken thing with a child projectile! that's about as b-movie as it gets man!
great work so far, you seam to be flying through it at lightning speed!

yes as you said in my thread, i believe we did talk during the secret agent challenge but i never managed to complete that ether as is usual with these challenges for me. but I'm sure this time i will! looks like you will this time around as well.

keep it up.

02 February 2010, 08:30 PM
hahahahahhahahahahahaahahha that was epic.....Killer Chickens..... :buttrock:

02 February 2010, 10:48 PM (

I have recorded a song that will be perfect for the end credits. If I can get through the actual movie part, this guy's gonna sing it. I figured out a cool way to do rudimentary lip synch in AE where Audio to Keyframes controls the Y scale of the mouth.

02 February 2010, 12:31 AM (

I am about to take you on a journey into hell. A self-imposed hell, I must admit. This is the dreaded "Shot 52". It was shot with a locked off camera, knowing full well that there would be digital elements behind the live action. What was I thinking? Even if I was thinking, rigging a green screen in this particular setup was not an option. The hell will unfold over the next 6 posts. I can't think of any other way to illustrate. The shot's only 240 frames, but it has been an immense time sucker, a b-movie within itself. This is the original live action plate.

02 February 2010, 12:37 AM (

I decided to render the 3d elements over top of the original footage. I guess I thought if there was any bleed, it would blend better.

02 February 2010, 12:42 AM (

On the first roto pass, I masked out the slats. Not too bad, I only had to animate where the "talent" (I put that in quotes because I'm the one in the red shirt) moves in front of the slats.

02 February 2010, 12:47 AM (

This was the best I could do. I wanted to setup a difference matte to ease the roto pain but the jackass was standing in picture when I turned on the camera. I rendered the original sequence to jpg, and produced the best "empty" plate that I could. I should mention that I came up with this bright idea after hand masking @ 100 frames.

02 February 2010, 12:59 AM (

I got a fairly tight matte of me (our hero) with some choking and blurring, etc. But I had to hand paint the mask for that other guy frame-by-frame. You know, now that I think about it, he was making all kids of faces and rude gestures at me when I was off turning on the camera. Maybe I'll post some of those. Do you suppose he did this on purpose?

02 February 2010, 01:06 AM (

This is a still of the "finished" composite. I did some color correction using Magic Bullet Looks, which came "free" with my $2500 Panasonic DVX100B camera. As this process progresses, despite the outcome, I have learned a lot during this challenge that I can apply to later efforts. Thanks for watching. There's about 3 of you so far. Don't worry, I won't divulge your names.

02 February 2010, 02:04 PM
I just love this entry, I really cracked up when I saw the trailer :)

Nice to see a little step by step of your rotoscoping :)

I think you could setup the lightning of your chicken better to match the filmed material.

02 February 2010, 02:27 PM
JockeP: I know this is an open-ended question but, any advice?

02 February 2010, 04:01 PM
what software are you using to do the 3d side of things?
and what kind of lighting setup are you using at the moment?

02 February 2010, 04:37 PM
I'm using a directional light to match the shadows in the live footage. I'm using an omni for ambient. I've tried some GI setups, but they don't seem to buy me enough to compensate for the render times.

02 February 2010, 04:47 PM
one method for geting cg to sit in live action is hdri lighting, this used in conjunction with normal max lights are a good idea. this is also a good way to get the character(or whatever) to cast correct shadows and receive nice reflections.
there is a ton of info online about using this.

using just normal lighst in max can work as well so dont scrap what you have, make sure that the lights are coming from the corect direction of the main light source and start from there. one light is not always enough.

02 February 2010, 06:15 PM
Checked a bunch of scenes and I'm pretty happy overall. The worst one, of course, is the dreaded shot 52. Re-rendering now with some tweaks. Thanks all for gettin' my juices flowin'.

02 February 2010, 06:35 PM
no problem at all! shot 52...what dose that one involve?

02 February 2010, 06:48 PM
That's the one I did the long-winded compositing break down about.

02 February 2010, 01:44 AM (

He's goin' 3d because I need him now for more than just the end titles.

02 February 2010, 05:17 PM
The art style of "Crappy" really makes me think of B-movie meets South Park. And your story/ ideas are just fantastic. Mutant poultry = Winner.

02 February 2010, 10:53 PM
Hey Metal!

You wouldn't happen to be a Full Sailor wouldja? My son goes there.

02 February 2010, 01:22 AM (

Here are our heroes sneakin' into the chicken lair.

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02 February 2010, 06:26 PM

Very good movement matching.
Can't wait to see your project ;-)

02 February 2010, 06:26 PM
The B-I-L just pointed out how awfully the shadows don't match. Back to the drawing board.

03 March 2010, 11:46 AM (

So I spent a good bit of time trying to match the shadows in 3D. No go. Wherever the fake shadows and the real shadows overlap, the real shadows get darker. So here's what I came up with: I rendered the shells right on the BG with a separate shadow pass. In AE, I used a freeze frame of the shot as a clean plate, put the shadow pass on top of that, and put the CG egg shot on top of that using a modified shadow pass as a track matte which removed all overlap. Fun, fun, fun!

03 March 2010, 12:00 PM
This is getting complicated in a hurry. As I said earlier, all of the live action was shot in a day. Cool. The premise of the peice is two guys watching a Kung Fu marathon when they discover that the town is overrun by killer chickens. Now I need to shoot the movie they're watching, a commercial that interrupts the news broadcast, and a movie that's on in the background during the last scene. I used copyrighted material in the rough edit which I obviously have to replace. The effects for the main storyline are "done", just in need of some serious tweaking and refinement. Uncle Crappy will be doing the commercial. He's almost rigged and ready to go. Lotsa work ahead. Oh, and the whole thing is currently clocking in at 13 minutes, but there's really nothing I can cut. Too long?

03 March 2010, 02:47 PM
I'm not sure if this is the venue, but I'd like to take a moment to thank the founders and operators of this site. My skill level in CG can be rated as amateur or enthusiast at best, so it is really fulfilling for me to be able to interact with professionals in the biz. The inspiration and advice from the members is immeasurable as well as their encouragement and gracious attitudes. I'm very grateful for the opportunity to "meet" everyone and be a part of this thing. Does anyone have a tissue? Ok, time to get back to work.

Just for fun, here's a link ( another idea I had for the challenge. It should be obvious why I went a different way.

03 March 2010, 06:03 PM (

Here's a bunch o' green screen shots (Just in time for ST. Patty's Day, get it?)from the filming of the teaser this past weekend. We're prolly pushin' 15 minutes now and the challenge counter ain't slowin' down. Lotsa work, yet.

03 March 2010, 06:32 PM
15 minutes... you are really pushing the envilope here >) godspeed,
but greenscreen wrinkles...!

btw what camera did you use for shooting?

03 March 2010, 07:09 PM
Luckily, Keylight rules! It's a Panasonic DVX100B. Thanks for the encouragement, I'm actually well on the way.

03 March 2010, 12:54 AM (

Composited, color corrected and enhanced stills. No wrinkles.

03 March 2010, 01:10 AM (

Software: After Effects

This is the 1st draft of the movie within a movie, the kung fu classic our heroes are watching before the chicks hit the fan.

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03 March 2010, 04:29 AM
Awesome stuff, had me rollin with laughter. Are most of your props just collected over the years, or were they rented?

03 March 2010, 09:12 AM
Thanks. Laughter is our friend. I'm not sure whatcha mean by "props". The swords are Nerf(tm) and are the only physical props. The costumes have been accumulated over the years. The white shirts and pants the "good guys" are wearing are actually from my wedding. Yes, it was a bit of a hippy affair.

If it's not too personal, I must know how you arrived at your screen name.

03 March 2010, 04:56 PM
haha this is great - and so cheesy!

I thought the good samurai teacher had the "master sword", but you say its nerf. :wavey:

good luck on the other clips you need to do!

03 March 2010, 08:25 PM
Long story short: girlfriend had a hamster and i animated a sequence for school, everyone wanted to know what my charecters name was, and since his "manly bits" were 30 percent of his body weight thus Scrotal was born. It's also my gamer tag for everything - brings livity to war.

03 March 2010, 12:05 AM (

Worlds of tweaks yet. Just thought this would be fun.

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04 April 2010, 02:07 AM (

Software: After Effects

This is the commercial that goes between the news flash segments our heroes are watching when they learn of the poultrific seige.

My project folder for this challenge has just topped 105 GB. Jeez.

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04 April 2010, 02:37 PM
Ok. Here's where I stand:

All of the "raw materials" are complete. I spent the weekend working a punch list, tweaking animation, lighting and re-rendering. (If the Easter Bunny showed up at my place, I missed him.) I also decided to do a 2d animated title sequence I'll post a roughy of later today. Am I gonna make the deadline? Well, I'll definately be submitting. Will it be good enough to win? I should atleast get a t-shirt or a coffee mug. Good luck to everyone else, especially those who said nice things about my work.

04 April 2010, 05:56 PM
Lmao, love the commercial! Fisht scene the hero's are watching...beautiful!

04 April 2010, 05:55 PM (

Software: After Effects

Concept for title sequence animation

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04 April 2010, 05:01 PM (

Software: After Effects

Well, here it is. What a ride.

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04 April 2010, 05:20 PM (

Software: After Effects

Here's the final, finished movie. I used every trick in my book on this so I hope that all enjoy. Thanks for the opportunity.

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04 April 2010, 06:01 PM
And the acting award winner is ...


04 April 2010, 07:29 PM
Hehe very funny :-)
Good luck!


04 April 2010, 02:18 AM
Racing to get a decent "Making of" up by the deadline. Thanks to all who gave me good advice and encouragement.

Beuda, there is no acting award. Are you trying to tell me something?

04 April 2010, 05:39 PM
I've successfully uploaded my final trailer and final video. I have yet to uplaod my "making of". Is this a rule breaker? Am I out of order?

04 April 2010, 08:59 PM (

Software: After Effects

Here's how i did it.

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04 April 2010, 09:16 PM
I hope to get some time to watch all those gems you have in there. What I saw is hilarious in its special way. Also I wanted to let you know, that as far as I know, your finished video should be the mix of trailer, making of and full movie in one long video file. If you dont have time to do so, upload your full movie or trailer as the last file, so it will get the exposure instead of your making of.

04 April 2010, 01:35 PM (

Software: After Effects

This is my entry for Individual Video. Per Juraj's advice, I put all of the deliverables into one file. Hope everyone enjoys.

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04 April 2010, 10:25 PM
Anyone who's done this before, do the judges give feedback, winner or not?

04 April 2010, 01:39 AM
Dvd complete

04 April 2010, 11:21 AM
Very funny and entertaining film.
Very good job.

For the problem with vegas a reinstallation repairs the problem.
My old files stay corrupted but the news work fine.
I don't know what's happens.

04 April 2010, 11:37 AM
no, i just want to say , i'm a huge fan of this king of acting ^^

good luck :):beer::buttrock:

04 April 2010, 05:18 PM
Hahaha this is great :D And so long! I'm impressed you managed putting everything together. Also it's superbrave to use so many elements, using live action footage, rigged and rendered characters and special effects. I really like the end credit animations as well.

Thanks for checking by again :)
And thank you very much for your kind words!

04 April 2010, 12:20 AM
Most of what I'm about to say applies only to the challenge environment. Most of what I've learned came from the actual process of making my movie. There are, however, some exceptions.

Balance of previz vs gettin' down to it.
I saw a lot of projects where the planning and previz were exceptional, but the entrants had to compromise their finished product. Though these projects may have been technically superior in many ways to others, the "finished" movie kinda left me flat.

Professional level / talent of other members / entrants
I had NO idea what I was up against. The quality of work of almost everything I've seen is inspiring and enviable. I've been studying special effects since Star Wars was released in 1977 and digital effects for roughly 10 years via online tutorials and trial and error. I'm still not sure what I am missing, but I don't know how some of these people do it. Staszek, adelben and Beuda, just to name a few, brought a level of quality to this thing I didn't know I'd see.

I can't light a scene to save my life
This comment speaks for itself.

More consideration for those who don't speak English Well
There were some brilliant entries that seemed to be complicated by the English thing. Kinda gives an advantage to us Yanks and other predominately English speaking types. I understand the reasoning I guess, but still...

I didn't get as much criticism as I would have liked
As I watched and rewatched and rewatched my peice, I cringed at the obvious faux paus (See comment above) and tried to correct them. I really didn't get much painfully needed crits or advice, though I saw some good stuff offered to other posts. I guess I'm whining here. Sorry.

Finishing is, well, like finishing (If you know what I mean, wink, wink, nudge, nudge)
I had attempted the Secret Agent challenge. I had some great ideas that I'd still like to finish as a personal project and did a lot of work to that end. The time of year was all wrong, blah, blah, blah, excuses, excuses, and I didn't even come close to finishing an entry. Knowing that I successfully uploaded a finished product after three months of hard work... I need a cigarette.

This is a great community
I hope to raise my standards to those I've seen in this challenge and I am already a better artist because of it. Thanks to all for the kind words, not-so-kind words and opinions not expressed. It's cool to have 2,384 views when I was making movies that were lucky to see 50. (Staszek's 20,588 and counting is, I must say, humbling and rightfully so.)

Rock on people and keep doin' whatcher doin'. We should all get together and make a feature.

Can you imagine?

04 April 2010, 02:45 PM
Lol, this group together making a movie? Wow...
Fabulous contest, lots of wonderful entries...glad Im not a judge!

05 May 2010, 07:02 AM
really great and funny b movie
cool acting ;)


05 May 2010, 10:04 PM
Thank you very much Flashgordy. The crickets were gettin deafening.

05 May 2010, 03:51 PM
Hey I have not seen your work, if you can upload it to a mirror, great, I really liked your previous thought, there are feelings than i share, like the uncertainty, the, How did not I think?, I specially feel identified with the English thing, perhaps this message still showing my bad english, I'll never know JAJAJA, but hey it's my first contest, I hope to keep in contact with several very nice people with whom I had a little contact, especially to improve my English.
I hope to see your work soon!

05 May 2010, 04:00 PM
ahh almost forgot, I would have liked to receive more criticism as well.

05 May 2010, 11:25 PM
Since we're still in the judging phase, I thought it would be pertinent to share that, due to the principal photography phase of this project, I just found out that I have been placed on the "hotlist" of my local neighborhood watch. I don't think my neighbors saw what you saw, and I think that may be part of the problem. I've got some video of the mob showing up on my front lawn with torches and pitchforks. Can I upload that here? Does this have any bearing on the judging? I didn't see "personal loss of social status" or "perpetual suspicion of deviated behavior" or "being labeled 'that weird guy down the street' " as points of consideration for a prize, but I thought that it might be assumed to be understood. Anyhoo....

PS: Still gunnin' for the T-Shirt

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