View Full Version : B-Movie Entry: Adrian Lazar
01-26-2010, 09:26 PM
Adrian Lazar is entered in the "B-Movie" update: View Challenge Page (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/b-movie/view_entries.php?challenger=19427)
Latest Update: Finished Video: The Other Side Of The Moon
02-04-2010, 06:12 PM
Great challenge we have here! Best of luck to all of you!
I'll go for the classic B-Movie look, low budged - low special effects, a lot of miniatures used, wires, and all kinds of non-cg effects. So for me the challenge will be to make the 3d stuff look real and bad. Also I'll try and simulate the errors that usually occurs like wrong scale (especially visible on miniatures that are destroyed by fire, water...), visible wires or on-set equipment being visible in the final shot.
Here is a test for overall look.
Welcome in the challenge!Wish you all the best! Bafta Adrian !
02-04-2010, 08:58 PM
MoonGun and Title sequence.
Work in Progress, new animation with better timing for the UFO's is rendering as we speak :)
Also, the scene will be greatly reduced at the final editing stage due to the very limited and restrictive 30 seconds length of the trailer. Plus the footage jumps too much and it's annoying.
Play Video >> (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/b-movie/player.php?entry_id=108624)
02-04-2010, 09:03 PM
Thanks Adrian, bafta si tie !!!
02-05-2010, 08:16 PM
Colour treatment tests
Testing different colour treatment, usually I tweak the final look from the beginning until the end of the project. This are some very early tests.
02-06-2010, 07:59 PM
WIP with an other shot from the trailer.
The animation will be ready to post tomorrow.
02-08-2010, 06:52 AM
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02-08-2010, 08:02 AM
Cool. That looks really good for the moment. Wanna see it move ;)
02-08-2010, 08:24 PM
Thanks Vincent, glad you like it.
Here is what I've animated (and rendered) so far.
- shot 2 (the one with the title) has been redone and it's rendering right now (I've tweaked a little the shaders and the lighting and also the gun from the moon)
- the last shot is not complete, after the UFO fires at the tower a "lame" explosion will produce and the tower will collapse (in a lame way also :) )
- the editing is not final, i'm trying to keep it just 30 seconds long
I'm almost at half of the way, next giant robot, the invaders base on the moon and some other stuff.
I'm having so much fun working at this project and I hope that everyone else feels the same.
Play Video >> (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/b-movie/player.php?entry_id=108957)
02-08-2010, 11:59 PM
This looks excellent. You've nailed the low budget look. Keep going - can't wait to see this finished...
02-09-2010, 01:22 PM
oh yeah :)
Models, animation and PS are so B like real old movie!
Comes along NICELY! Bravo omule,arata B-ine!:applause:
02-09-2010, 01:39 PM
Yeah..thats looking good! Keep it up!
02-10-2010, 05:53 AM
i really dig the style your doing, i think you'll pull it off extremely well :beer: good luck!
02-10-2010, 10:16 AM
Thanks a lot guys, I'm glad you like it and best of luck to you too, what a fun challenge this is!
For me the hard part is just starting, I need to do some VFX, mostly fire and smoke (burning city, burning ufo, some explosions) but the tricky part is to make them look real (I'm trying to avoid using real footage for the effects) but also at the wrong scale as you often see in movies where they used miniature props.
I have this as a reference for the B-movie look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-kCC8WUKYk
Notice the very lame explosions in the shot where the UFOs are under attack...
02-10-2010, 12:14 PM
looks great. :bowdown: I cant wait to see entire movie.
02-10-2010, 02:28 PM
wow, dude! You know what really sucks? I am trying to cut CG elements to minimum count in my entry but you nailed the look of retro B-grade better than me with real miniature. Looks like you know your job well. Good luck!
btw, is this individual entry or are there more folks behind?
02-10-2010, 05:25 PM
That's great! I can almost here the clicking of the projector. Fantastic work.
02-10-2010, 10:55 PM
Sound will be also a big challenge, I would love to have the trailer with voice over and not text just that I'm afraid that my accent will do more damage then good :D I'll try to make some tests.
JurajMolcak, it's an individual entry, I'm working alone on this project.
02-12-2010, 03:42 PM
love it dude, classic feel is amazing, you really captured the whole b-movie feel man
02-15-2010, 10:42 AM
I hope to post something new this week. Right now I'm trying to make some explosions look fake :)
02-17-2010, 01:48 AM
Pyrotechnics work in progress
02-17-2010, 01:49 AM
Pyrotechnics work in progress
02-17-2010, 01:50 AM
Pyrotechnics work in progress
02-17-2010, 07:57 AM
Your rendering looks like Melies movies rendering, especially the moongun sequence. Nice concept !
02-18-2010, 09:50 AM
but i think ure kinda killing the mood with that speculated feature.
great plot,great modeling but the grainy specs in my opinion kills it,..
this could be an iron first in this challenge man,.
02-18-2010, 10:03 AM
What grainy specs? Are you talking about the grain/noise applied over the image? If so how does it kill the mood? It's a clear characteristic of an old (~1930-1950) B-Movie.
02-18-2010, 08:08 PM
You are doing such a great job at creating the B movie look and feel. I really dig this one.
02-18-2010, 11:50 PM
In the trailer this shot will be cut so we won't see the beginning (where the fire starts).
I'm trying to go for the old explosions: little to no fire, lots of sparks and puffy white smoke.
Fire done with emFluid3 (http://www.mootzoid.com/html/XsiCorner/emFluid3.html)
Explosion done with XSI ICE
Play Video >> (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/b-movie/player.php?entry_id=109938)
02-19-2010, 01:50 AM
This is looking absolutely stunning!
You've nailed the style and feel. PROPER B Movie :D
Feels like the 1930s.
Love the shadow on the scrolling background. Awesome work :)
02-19-2010, 05:04 AM
I'm really impressed with the look and design here. It's ticking all the right boxes. Probably the most impressive entry at the moment, keep it up :)
02-19-2010, 12:41 PM
Thanks a lot for your support and good luck to you too for this challenge!
02-20-2010, 03:29 AM
I love it! The feel and "cheesy" effects are really well executed. You captured the the essence of a B movie so well. I can't wait for more updates
02-20-2010, 08:37 PM
i love it so far, the design and the execution are very B indeed!
keep it coming.
02-22-2010, 03:12 PM
Right now I'm working at the money shot with the giant robot and will take some time (around a week) until I'll have something to show.
Thanks for the support and good luck to you too!
02-22-2010, 03:40 PM
Fantastic stuff here! You're really nailing the look and feel of the period. The "speed" that the saucer is flying at is perfect. Keep up the great work.
02-28-2010, 11:49 AM
New render, the editing is of course wip, also a few shots are still missing (including the money shot and the lunar base shot). I'm not sure about the text, I'm still thinking if it's better this way or should I use voice to narrate the trailer.
- Robot destroys building 2
- Panoramic view with the city under attack by several robots and the ufo
- Humans launching rocket to the moon
- Lunar base
Let me know what do you think,
Play Video >> (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/b-movie/player.php?entry_id=110641)
02-28-2010, 12:00 PM
I caught myself thinking to kick my LCD so it would show a better reception. May be what bothers me is this vertical shifts, I cant really concentrate on action. Other noise is ok - hair and dust.
You definately nailed the 50s look. Sort of - Plan 9 from Outer Space :)
Brilliant I like your work in every aspect here.
keep it up!
02-28-2010, 03:51 PM
very nice !
Really great work!
I agree with Digiboxoffice about the vertical shift and jumping frames. Theres too much of it; Its kind of making me dizzy!
02-28-2010, 07:10 PM
This is great, you nailed the genre very well! Two thumbs up.
02-28-2010, 11:44 PM
Definitely a tad less vertical shifts...but nailed nonetheless :D
03-01-2010, 06:58 AM
The burning flying saucer test is absolutely amazing. :eek:
Very good job.
I have a flying saucer in my project but it will be a real one scale model :-)
This is A REALLY GREAT JOB! The style is B-MOVIE on his glory!Best to you man!:thumbsup:
03-01-2010, 03:39 PM
great entry, very well done :)
03-02-2010, 08:19 AM
I'm glad you like it! And you are right about the "jumpiness" of the footage, it's to much and it's irritating, i'm gonna turn it down a little.
03-02-2010, 05:49 PM
you are only missing the old-style scratchy music.
I think it would be funny to have one more effect after you advertise "...and special effects"
...one final explosion
03-04-2010, 07:20 PM
I agree with the suggestions to tone down the vertical looping.
Otherwise, the film is fantastic. I absolutely love the shadows, especially in scene with the crashing burning saucer. Great job!
03-07-2010, 01:13 AM
Great job!! Really cool b-movie style!
The only thing it needs now is a sound track, try using some Theremin music.
03-07-2010, 01:09 PM
Hey adrian....really really great work. I like it and here is just a thought I got about you saying you still wonder over the text...Why not "Have you ever wondered what lies on..." -----> first shots------> and than the title ...THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MOON appears! In any case it is drawing enaugh attention so I can say itll be understandable :) I do not want to say that your idea and realization so far are the most unique but definitely are original as hell!
Cheers from Bulgaria, Stefan
03-07-2010, 10:54 PM
Thanks a lot for the kind words and suggestions ;) and good look to you too!
I hope to finish the trailer before 1st of April (with sound) so that I'll have time to make the wip part.
03-08-2010, 02:07 AM
YES REALY NICE STUFFFF
NO COMMENT :thumbsup:
03-09-2010, 10:19 PM
your entry is extremely well done. A very high standard i must say!
there is one thing that is weird though, and that is the "silen movie" text boards combined with the much later 60ies 70ies movie look.
if that is taken care of, then its actually pretty perfect.
03-10-2010, 12:51 AM
wow how did i missed this. for me, the most on topic entry this year :)
my only crit would be that sometimes the old film jittering and jumping is too major and a bit distracting.
03-10-2010, 10:12 AM
andreasng: This is the exact same thing that my wife keeps saying to me :D The problem is that I need that text if I won't narrate the trailer (accent is my main concern). Now, I could get rid of the "flowers" from the corners and make it a simple text on a simple background but then it would look to boring and forced, out of context. I still have to decide if it's wort it keeping the text as it is now (that, like you said resembles the one from the silent movies) and add sound (music and effect) so it could get a little confusing why does the trailer have text if you can add sound (and a narration).
kybel: you are right about those and I already turn them down a lot. A lot of people have complaint about those and they and you where right :) I'm working at the final shot now but I don't think I'm gonna post something new until the entire trailer is finished, with sound and everything. But I'll post some making off scene next week.
03-10-2010, 10:32 PM
no wait. You most likely have seen trailers for the old Godzilla movies or one of the inspiration videos in the inspirational section of this challenge. There is alot of "non-silent-movie" text all over the place. Its just a matter of finding the right style for the text.
So if you converted the "silent-movie"text boards with big "scary" texts coming at the audiences face, while the narrator says exactly what the text says, you'll be fine.
you already got it, its just illustrated with the style of an incorrect era.
and as i said before. This is great, and by far the best video of the challenge.
03-11-2010, 10:06 AM
Thanks for the suggestion, I completely forgotten about this possibility. I'll test how it works ASAP. My main concern is that the shots I rendered are too short to work well with overlapping text. Being too short you won't be able to see what's going on if the text will stay for at least 2 seconds so that you have time to read it.
03-11-2010, 10:44 AM
You could easily get away with having a dodgy freeze frame when the text appears (keep all the scratches and slipping going), and then un-freeze when the text disappears. I'm sure this sort of low-tech hack fits with the whole B-Movie theme anyway.
Looking great, keep it up...
03-11-2010, 03:41 PM
that is actually a very good idea and it is very 60ies 70ies godzilla like.
03-12-2010, 02:01 PM
haha this is looking amazing!1!onehundredeleven
i hope you nail it with the sound effects and music! but from the looks of it, it seems like you've done your research...good luck! :thumbsup:
03-16-2010, 08:14 AM
This is SYLE!!! I like it so much .
As was said above the text is from different era, but it doesn't ruin whole picture.
Good luck !
03-17-2010, 12:37 PM
I'm working on the final shot right now and I should finish that this weekend. Then I'll start working on sound and on the making of.
The only problem I see is if I need to cut a 30 or 60 seconds version to show first, then the making of and then the full trailer. I'm trying to keep the entire trailer under 2 minutes so maybe I can put the full one at the beginning and then the making of. I'll have to be sure that it's OK as I would hate to be disqualified for a technicality like this.
I plan to finish the entire entry no later the 11th of April and I would like to keep some surprises until then but still share the making of with the community.
Thanks again and good luck to all of you too!
03-17-2010, 03:29 PM
good plan, you have almost done. Movie fits exacly to subject . Cant wait for suprises you cooking :)
About final submit, i saw entrys with all blended in one (trailer, full video and making of) and as separated. Best would be to ask on FAQ wich way is best for judging.
Im wondering about one thing. Can i ask what you using for encoding your video for flv. Im using for riva encoder - but it seams to cut of around 10 frames from beginning of video. Do you know better way of preparing flv file? thanks in advance,
03-17-2010, 03:44 PM
I'm glad you like it, I can't wait to see your final entry also!
About the encoding, I'm also using the free RIVA FLV found on the Deliverables page but I didn't notice any problem. I don't know if it matters but I'm outputting from the editing software in quicktime .mov format using the Animation codec and then I convert this to FLV using RIVA.
I hope you will solve the problem and good luck with the entry ;)
03-18-2010, 11:30 PM
i was doing the same but with uncompressed avi in exchange of quicktime. I tryed quicktime and was the same problem with cuting firsts frames. Its probably some other problem i will look n to it later.
03-21-2010, 11:16 PM
Come on, man! Don't be lazy. Show us some updates!
03-30-2010, 09:14 PM
While I still have some minor stuff to tweak for the final entry (mainly sound) here is the making of. I think that this part is done, unfortunatly I can't get rid of the encoding errors that are visible at the beginnig of the video...
Let me know what do you think,
Play Video >> (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/b-movie/player.php?entry_id=113086)
03-30-2010, 11:43 PM
winner ! ;)
03-30-2010, 11:48 PM
cool, I like making of more then the final result. I mean clean and shaded version works better for me.
emfluids and ice are nice too can't compete with max'es fume and box2 but still pretty interactive :)
actually till now i was under an impression that you did your trailer using miniatures - good job!
03-31-2010, 03:42 AM
nOice! i also just noticed your demo reel link...some of the stuff on there i remember seeing before but never knew they were all yours. until now. dun dun duuuunnnn.
03-31-2010, 09:55 AM
Just congrats for this great work. Great style
03-31-2010, 12:10 PM
making of looks great. I like very much modeling, texturing.. lets say everything :)
Cant wait to see those new shots you did (like this with rocket on planet)
03-31-2010, 06:04 PM
Thanks guys, I'm glad you like it. Right now I'm trying to find a way to get rid of the annoying compression artefacts.
Best of luck to you too!
04-11-2010, 07:28 AM
Here is the storyboard. I know it looks very very bad but it was never ment to be shown, it's something tht I did for me just to make stuff a little clearer at the beginning of the contest. A lot have changed in the actual production anyway.
Btw, i've been trying to upload an almost final of hte trailer version since yestarday with no luck :(
Play Video >> (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/b-movie/player.php?entry_id=113216)
04-11-2010, 08:25 AM
I think that this is the final version of the trailer.
The only thing left is to ask again at the FAQ if I can submit this as the final version without having to cut a 30s version first as that's too little considering that my entire entry is only 80s. Also I need to post the storyboard before I'll be able to post the final version.
Tell me what do you think,
Play Video >> (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/b-movie/player.php?entry_id=113217)
04-11-2010, 08:46 AM
Finally it worked... just that now is way too compressed and also if I'll add the making-of it will be too big (around 40 mb) and I didn't managed to upload something that big...I'll keep trying
04-11-2010, 10:19 AM
Superb! I adore it!
It fits the brief perfectly IMHO and is so reminiscent of the B movie genre .
Well done bud :beer:
04-11-2010, 04:45 PM
imho of all the entries i've seen, yours by far stays true to the "b-movie" theme which at the same time is also entertaining! not sure if this version is the final since i was hoping for some cheesy space invasion music and commentary, like that clip from Pixar's "the incredibles" no more supers...the noise and flickering (tho a nice touch) feels a bit too much...but those are just my nit picks...best of luck! :beer:
04-11-2010, 09:26 PM
Awsome , makes me search for the actual movie :bowdown: . The only trailer here that captured 100% the B-movie Style
04-12-2010, 04:52 PM
Very funny ! i love your lowbudget effect ^^
And the shot in the space city is very hot too, i love it!
the only critique i can tell you it's it would be better with a typical b movie music like this here (http://www.tcm.com/mediaroom/index.jsp?cid=91554).
good job man !
04-13-2010, 07:45 PM
This is my final entry.
For me B-Movie equals low budget + cheesy idea + bad execution. I wanted to create a trailer for a classic B-movie: made in the 50s, heavy use of miniatures, lot's of errors during shooting like visible wires and very low quality special effects.
- Many of the textures are from CgTextures (http://cgtextures.com/)
- All the sound is taken from FreeSound (http://freesound.org/)
- The fire is made using emFluid3 (http://www.mootzoid.com/html/XsiCorner/emFluid3.html)
After having it confirmed that the 30-60sec of the teaser is just a guideline and since my full trailer is just 20sec more I decided tu put the entire trailer at the beginning. I tried tu cut-it to 60sec but because the entire trailer so short it looked very bad.
A big thanks to everyone for the valuable feedback received during this contest!
I had a great time working for this contest and I hope all others had the same.
Good luck to everyone else who's participating!
Play Video >> (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/b-movie/player.php?entry_id=113253)
04-13-2010, 07:46 PM
I've search for some music but didn't found any that I could use (copyright problems) but also I saw that some trailers from the 50's didn't had music at all or very little.
04-13-2010, 08:41 PM
hey Adrian, great finish. Heavy composition work. Although I am not a huge fan of synthetic film hairs, scratches and other glitches, it has a nice graphical feel to it. Good job again.
BTW: I am in the same situation with trailer around 80sec long. I see you didnīt cut yours down to 30sec so I am curious if thatīs okay for the jury. Did you get any information related to it? Thanks.
04-14-2010, 10:39 PM
great! a total B-Movie!
Very nice!Great job!Good luck with your entry!(Arata foarte bine si reprezinta stilul B-Movie.BRAVO)
04-15-2010, 11:20 AM
Nice one !
I love the old look !
great job everywhere !
I wish you the best !
04-15-2010, 11:23 AM
oh my god :eek:
Pretty cool job. I love the style and the animation.
Great job !!!
04-16-2010, 10:51 AM
Thanks a lot guys, I'm glad you like it and best of luck to you too!
04-16-2010, 08:58 PM
well done! this is top class stuff and i really enjoyed following your progress.
best of luck!
04-16-2010, 09:49 PM
A mannn this is a really awsome work.:beer:
04-18-2010, 05:33 PM
Thanks and good luck to you too guys!
Vimmy, as I said before your's is my favorite entry, amazing skills man, imagine that animated :D
04-19-2010, 01:17 PM
Haven't heard from you in a long time. Congratulations on the Challenge entry, it looks really great! Best wishes and plenty of luck with the contest mate!
04-20-2010, 12:21 PM
Thanks for the kind words and yeah, here you can see the reason why you didn't heard from me lately :)
04-22-2010, 08:10 PM
Adrian your work really is amazing......I believe for a moment that i watch really a trailer of a
B-Movie film.Congratulations man....Excellent work.....
IT CAME FROM NOWHERE.... (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=305&t=861334&page=1)
04-25-2010, 08:01 PM
Thanks drako, I'm glad you like it!
And here is a Vimeo mirror for those who have problems viewing the video here (I have with many entries)
04-25-2010, 09:45 PM
Good idea as the video functions here are not too good.
However...the vid you posted on Vimeo is private :(
04-25-2010, 11:10 PM
Sorry, it's fixed now :)
04-26-2010, 03:25 AM
hilarious piece, i love your work.
but this, I disagree with For me B-Movie equals low budget + cheesy idea + bad execution
Pulp Fiction was a B movie, as was grind house. I think you are confusing 1950's era high end effects with "B movie". They did the best effects they could. Even Star wars Episode III has not aged well in its obvious compositing errors. In another 10 years it will look as bad as any 50's era movie does to todays viewer. B movie is strictly not A list budget or talent. Many are not executed well, some are. Again I refer to Pulp fiction as a B movie that made good (none of them were A list at the time it was made.)
04-26-2010, 05:57 AM
Just take a look at the inspiration section of the contest: http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/b-movie/inspiration.php
Plus as I said before my biggest inspiration was Plan B from outer space and that's definatly considered a B-movie.
But anyway I'm glad you like it and I respect your opinion about what a b-movie is just that I don't agree with it.
04-26-2010, 06:08 AM
Hey all, this is the message im getting when trying to view the entries on the gallery style page: http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/b-movie/entries.php
The requested document was not found on this server.
Web Server at cgnetworks.com
anyone else getting this?
04-27-2010, 01:40 PM
The whole setup at CGTalk seems shady to say the least.
04-27-2010, 03:59 PM
Sorry to hear that. I didn't had problems that severe but it happens often that the playback stops because the movie doesn't load completly.
04-27-2010, 05:05 PM
Even if there was a download option that worked it would be great (CG's FLV download is equally dodgy).
Anyway...when I got to see your entry it was awesome and one of the few here who have understood the brief....'B Movie' :thumbsup:
I love it and it would get my vote. :bounce: < < sorry...had to use that smilie :D
What happens now...do we all just sit and wait? There's been no official 'closed' thread or anything like :curious:
04-27-2010, 09:10 PM
My entry was pretty much B-Movie stylie I hope, check it out.
It would be nice if all the people entered got an official email saying when the competition entries will be drawn, it was about 10 days after i found out that the CG Secret Agent competition had been drawn. C'mon CG talk, whats happening with the entry page??
06-17-2010, 09:42 PM
Big fan of this entry, really great art direction and I was sure early on it was going to be one of the winners. Hope to see more of your work in the future!
07-09-2010, 09:34 PM
post effects are stunning. well done. very impressive.
07-20-2010, 02:36 PM
really great entry!
I really enjoyed that
07-29-2010, 06:46 PM
Guys, thanks a lot for the kind words and appreciation, makes me loosing this contest not so bitter anymore. :beer:
Anyway, I learned my lesson and I won't make the same mistake again by participating at a contest held by CgTalk.
07-29-2010, 07:14 PM
Don't let it make you bitter dude.
Revel in the fact you have the victory of the people! :beer:
07-29-2010, 07:40 PM
Yeah.. you gotta remember the jury are people and their personal taste is going to play a role how they vote. It's just bad luck, don't let it stop you from future events..
08-03-2010, 11:09 PM
Sorry I'm so late commenting. You really nailed the look of late 1950's, early 1960's sci-fi (of which I'm a huge fan)! Dang, you even got that flying saucer-on-a-string motion just right. Makes me want to get out the popcorn and beer, and settle in for the afternoon.
The real victory here? You made a *lot* of people smile, and that's what the business is all about.
08-03-2010, 11:09 PM
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