View Full Version : I like LW a lot but i dont have enought money to buy it.What shoud i do?


PATRIOT333
08 August 2003, 05:05 PM
I have the LWDE7.5 and i realy like it.But the problem is that that i want to buy it but i dont have money i dont have money at all.I have read the manuel .pdf and it is realy interesting and i want to work in it.Can anyone tell me what to do or how to collect money???
Thanks a lot and regards

WChestnutt
08 August 2003, 05:24 PM
well, erm...

you could try selling some stuff on ebay...
how old are you? could you qualify for a student license?

i'm not sure but maybe there is a retailer somewhere that you could pay in monthly installments?

well thats all i can think of at the moment.
one thing though, dont get a pirated copy!

Cheers,

Will

edit> or go with a cheaper program, they are always being given away on magazines. it depends whether you want it to do profesional graphics, of just to learn with. <edit

milqman
08 August 2003, 05:31 PM
You could try pleading and begging Newtek :)

There's some real nice people there, hey, it just MIGHT work. (I don't know if you should get your hopes up though)

ghopper
08 August 2003, 06:05 PM
I've never tried out the LW DE version. I know it has some limitations on polygon count, but can't you use the DE version to learn LW ?

Where are you from though ? If you're in the UK you should check the coming issue of Computer Arts. They're giving away Cinema4D 6 CE away for free:

http://www.computerarts.co.uk/news/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=18181&subsectionid=841

I think this is one of the best 3D give aways to date ( besides Motion Builder ). Very good 3D package to start your 3D journey with. You can always buy LW later if you've got the money. The things you learn in C4D ( or any other free 3D package ) can be easily applied to Lightwave.

Another option, check out ebay on a regular basis or Newtek's buy&sell forum. There are always people wanting to sell LW at really good prices. But you said you haven't got money at all. Guess it means you need to get a part time job and save up some money.

Or wait for a free Lightwave version to be given away on a magazine in the future ;)

WChestnutt
08 August 2003, 06:19 PM
oh yeah!! i learnt in c4d 6. very good app!

CB_3D
08 August 2003, 06:29 PM
what are the limitations on the demo? watermark?

WChestnutt
08 August 2003, 06:37 PM
water mark, limited resolution, and only a maximum of 400 points per layer.

KillMe
08 August 2003, 06:38 PM
seems to be full version except there is a res limit - i'm guess probally 640x480 - good enough to learn on and play with and apprently going to be some offer so you can get the no res limited version cheap too

edit:
opps i thought you ment the cinema 4d offer =)

milqman
08 August 2003, 07:45 PM
Try Blender which is free @ www.blender.org

Try Wings3d which is free @ www.wings3d.org

Try Houdini Apprentice Edition which is free (have to look around a bit) @ www.sidefx.com

Blender is good, i learned a bit of 3d concepts with it... and its no slouch either. Look for @ndy's post on the Finished Projects forum.

Houdini Apprentice Edition is basically the full edition of Houdini but with an absolutely TINY watermark. Its very cool, I suggest you try it. Get Houdini training videos at www.3dbuzz.com. 3dBuzz also has a full Houdini 101 training 'course' for free. Check it out.

Flashfire
08 August 2003, 10:36 PM
My advice would be to stay far away from Houdini right now... if you're only now learning Lightwave, I'd suggest you stay with it, if it is indeed the application you choose.

Houdini is just WAY too advanced to be learned from web-tutorials and the like... education in a credited Houdini training facility is the only way to go with this application. Trust me... there are WAY too many things to learn about it, that are counter to what LW does, and in the end you'll only be screaming murder (unless of course you need to learn Houdini for you pipeline). Ive been at it now for almost a month, in preparation for credited education in an animation course, and I am 1/10000000000 away from tapping the potential power of the software.

To get back on topic though... the best way to obtain the money to buy Lightwave is to work for it... flip burgers, pump gas, whatever it takes...

leigh
08 August 2003, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by PATRIOT333
Can anyone tell me what to do or how to collect money???

Hehe I think that is a question that just about everyone in this world (even many of those who are employed) are wondering about :)

My advice would be to learn 3D on a free app, then look for freelance work and save up like that.

PATRIOT333
08 August 2003, 02:14 AM
Thanks for all of your replays.You are wery good.I am glad that here is someone who can help me.Thanks
1.I am not frome eangland
2.I realy like LW it is wery cool program and the manuel looks good I wonder how the books look like?
3.I realy never seen better program than LW.So is there any free 3d program that have the manuel frome where i can learn and try to make money frome it?Till i get enought to buy LW?

wgreenlee1
08 August 2003, 02:44 AM
http://www.artzend.com/3D%20Programs.htm

Stormy151
08 August 2003, 03:06 AM
If you're in the U.S. you can find Computer Arts magazine at some large chain bookstores like Borders or Barnes and Noble. It's usually about 15 dollars an issue, though.

cappi
08 August 2003, 09:03 AM
http://www.openfx.org/news/index.php
Open FX looks like a program that has some power under the hood. It lacks good documentation though.

rock
08 August 2003, 10:16 AM
Patriot,

Here are some options that are legal:

1. You can use Wings3D (www.wings3d.com) to model. Or the new Silo modeler for $139 USD (You can download the info or demo at http://www.nevercenter.com/index.php/Downloads/170.. And if the new Modo modeler is also cheap, you can switch to it later. It looks more superior than LW modeler, but we won't know for sure until it comes out.

2. To animate, you can download a fully-functional freelance version of MotionBuilder 4.0x and its manuals at www.kaydara.com. The free video tutorials for MotionBuilder is at www.3dbuzz.com. You have to create an account before you can download.

3. Continue to use LW Discovery Edition and therefore continue to learn LW until you can get a copy of a full version.

4. Try Maya Foundation. It's also free at www.alias.com.

5. I still think that these companies still charge too much for an educational version.

PATRIOT333
08 August 2003, 11:39 AM
so what do you think which free 3d program should i start??

Flashfire
08 August 2003, 11:42 AM
Stay with Lightwave DE... if that is what you ultimately wish to learn and use, then my suggestion is that you do not look at other packages just yet. Doing so will only complicate your learning process as you'll have to juggle different approaches to meet your objectives based on the application used.

However, if you really must use another limitless app, I'd suggest Blender, which is well supported with many online resources, or Wings3D, which I've heard many great things about (especially the fact that it has edge tools).

Cheers!

ghopper
08 August 2003, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by PATRIOT333
so what do you think which free 3d program should i start??

Where are you from ?

If you want I can send you the next issue of computer arts with the free Cinema4D 6 version if you can't get it wherever you are. Just need your country of origin so I can tell you much the shipping is. The magazine costs 5 or 6 ( ~ $7 - $10 ).

As I said before, this is one of the best free 3D offers to date and I would suggest to start learning 3D with this app. Check out www.maxon.net for more info on C4D, and http://www.computerarts.co.uk/news/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=18181&subsectionid=841 for more details on this free version.

On a side note, I'm not trying to push Cinema4D or something, Lightwave and Cinema4D are both very good 3D packages and I wouldn't say one is better than the other. It's just a really good offer for someone wanting to learn 3D.

You can always buy LW in the future when you've got the money.

anobrin
08 August 2003, 02:21 PM
I agree with the others
conitinue to learn with the DE and save up for the full version

Good luck:buttrock:

WChestnutt
08 August 2003, 02:56 PM
well, i would go with c4d, but still keep learning lw as well:thumbsup: c4d is a great prog to learn with

surfymunky
08 August 2003, 05:24 PM
if you check on ebay there is a copy of lightwave 5.6 and aura for sale for $200
if you check with newtek about the cost of upgrading and getting a dual usb dongle you might get yourself a bargain (possibly)

regards

paul

lwwiz
08 August 2003, 08:14 PM
I am a lightwaver but there is a 3ds max free version called gmax.

WChestnutt
08 August 2003, 08:21 PM
is gmax downloadable?

Flashfire
08 August 2003, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by surfymunky
if you check on ebay there is a copy of lightwave 5.6 and aura for sale for $200
if you check with newtek about the cost of upgrading and getting a dual usb dongle you might get yourself a bargain (possibly)

regards

paul It wont work unless it has been registered... Newtek implemented a policy whereby unreg'd Legacy versions of LW are subject to a 1195.00 upgrade fee.

"What if I have an opportunity to purchase new an older version of a NewTek product, may it be upgraded?

Yes, however if the product was purchased new after January 1, 2003 and it has never been registered with NewTek the cost of upgrading will $1195."

Taken from : http://www.newtek.com/buynow/software/upgradefaq.html

Cheers!

lwwiz
08 August 2003, 08:23 PM
yeah and its the whole 3ds max but just like a student version.

sebek27
08 August 2003, 08:30 PM
just buy LW educational if you are a student for around $400 then upgrade to full commercial version for $395 more :) that's the best deal where you can get full LW for commecial work for around $800 !

WChestnutt
08 August 2003, 08:44 PM
thanks wiz:thumbsup:

what, so it's the complete 3dmax?:surprised
do you know where i can download it from?

Cheers,

Will

lwwiz
08 August 2003, 08:46 PM
Yeah Ill have to see iff I book marked it.

ghopper
08 August 2003, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by unknown limit
thanks wiz:thumbsup:

what, so it's the complete 3dmax?:surprised
do you know where i can download it from?

Cheers,

Will

gmax isn't a free 3D MAX version. gmax was released for game modders in mind, and it's only for modeling stuff as far as I know. So no rendering etc.

http://www.discreet.com/products/gmax/

lwwiz
08 August 2003, 09:05 PM
Right thats what I meant. also is there any way to do a render with a gmax file. like can I take it into lightwave or any other program to add more stuff and critique.

Signal2Noise
08 August 2003, 09:22 PM
gmax is a very stripped down version of 3ds max. Good for learning modeling basics and design for games. You cannot render out in gmax, you need to see the results in a game engine. Furthermore you cannot export gmax files into any other CG app, including 3ds max. You can only bring gmax files into a game engine that supports the gmax file format. Unless, of course, you are an uber coder and have lots of time on your hands.;)

Locutus
08 August 2003, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by rock

2. To animate, you can download a fully-functional freelance version of MotionBuilder 4.0x and its manuals at www.kaydara.com. The free video tutorials for MotionBuilder is at www.3dbuzz.com. You have to create an account before you can download.

Where did you see this on their website? I missed the issue of 3D World magazine with the fre version of 4.0.

PATRIOT333
08 August 2003, 12:49 AM
Where are you from ?

If you want I can send you the next issue of computer arts with the free Cinema4D 6 version if you can't get it wherever you are. Just need your country of origin so I can tell you much the shipping is. The magazine costs 5 or 6 ( ~ $7 - $10 ).

I am a little far frome eangland and the shipping is mote than the cd

Thanks for all advices.I will ceep learning DE.But is there any way i can save the scene because it is wery hard when you have made the scene you have to render it rigt now.So i cant make any good scenes

just buy LW educational if you are a student for around $400 then upgrade to full commercial version for $395 more that's the best deal where you can get full LW for commecial work for around $800 !

I dont have that much money it is too much expensive for me

ghopper
08 August 2003, 01:07 AM
Originally posted by PATRIOT333
I am a little far frome eangland and the shipping is mote than the cd

Sorry for my ignorance, but I somehow get the feeling you don't want to tell us where your coming from for whatever reason. Nothing to be ashamed of ;)

Anyway, I bet shipping this mag to any country on this planet shouldn't cost more than the price of the mag - so in total you will be probably looking at max $20 for a free Cinema4D 6 version - you shouldn't miss this out dude, especially if LWDE is that limited and can't be really used to learn Lightwave.

I don't know why I'm even writing this, but If you're interested in the C4D offer PM me.

m.d.
08 August 2003, 02:29 AM
wings 3d also has a fbx plugin which means it can be exported into motionbuilder(wings 3d is a modeller, and motionbuilder will animate) both wings and MB are excellent apps, both skills could be transferred into lw later.
gmax is very similar to max but with no renderer,(you could only watch your animation within the program) still a good way to learn with lots of tutorials.
probably your best bet is to go with the cinema 4d version 6 thats coming out with computer arts magazine....it is a very good program, modeller, animator and renderer all included, but it will cost you about $20 for the magazine(although it sounds like there are some kind hearted people willing to help you out)

my only regret is once you learn cinema 4d you probably won't want to come back to lw.... which is fine.cinema 4dv8 is an awsome program,on par with lightwave.
best of luck :thumbsup:

rock
08 August 2003, 04:49 AM
Like M.D said, the danger of trying out apps like Cinema 4d 8.1 or Maya 5 is you might not come back to LW. :)

Monty
08 August 2003, 05:02 AM
Whatever happened to Inspire (that cut down version of LW that Newtek used to sell cheap)? :hmm:

sensai2nd
08 August 2003, 07:50 PM
Can anyone tell me what to do or how to collect money???

Jobs work pretty good . . .

j/k . . . I second all those saying to go the free-app. route. I mean, come on, 3D for free!!!

Flashfire
08 August 2003, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by Monty
Whatever happened to Inspire (that cut down version of LW that Newtek used to sell cheap)? :hmm: It died shortly after the advent of L[6]... perhaps it wasn't feasible to recode Inspire to the new spec because of low sales...

dunno, really...

lwwiz
08 August 2003, 08:32 PM
Wings 3d.
http://www.wings3d.com
Blender 3d
http://www.blender3d.org
There are also fourms for both of these here at cgtalk.com

madrenderman
08 August 2003, 04:44 AM
Originally posted by PATRIOT333
I have the LWDE7.5 and i realy like it.But the problem is that that i want to buy it but i dont have money i dont have money at all.I have read the manuel .pdf and it is realy interesting and i want to work in it.Can anyone tell me what to do or how to collect money???
Thanks a lot and regards

you can find a good stuff on ebay.com but check before, ask to seller serial, and it's info, you can verified with newtek if he has that license, pay attention at student license, you can buy software at a fraction of original cost, is full, and you have only one limitation, you cannot use that software to produce graphics to sell.

(to be honest, in italy exist a commercial upgrade, which allow student user to upgrade their license to commercial, and sell their graphics)

check with newtek.

in past i bought lw5.6 for 250$ on ebay (+ shipping cost naturally).
have a nice finding

ChrisBasken
08 August 2003, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by PATRIOT333
I have the LWDE7.5 and i realy like it.But the problem is that that i want to buy it but i dont have money i dont have money at all.I have read the manuel .pdf and it is realy interesting and i want to work in it.Can anyone tell me what to do or how to collect money???
Thanks a lot and regards

Work, save, rinse, repeat...

tOd
08 August 2003, 06:38 PM
Have you tried pimp'n?

However, the Beastie Boys said that it "aint easy" :thumbsup:

Seriuosly though, stay out of debt and maybe get a second part time job to earn some extra cash. Safe Harbor.com was selling LW 5.6 with a free upgrade to 7 for $999.

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