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03 March 2009, 11:47 AM
Okay, im in!
The plan is to do a Demon princess, check out the latest update and info right here.
Good luck everyone! :)
Class: Demon princess
LATEST UPDATE :
03 March 2009, 10:11 PM
Alright, hereŽs the first concept, and some inspiring references.
One of the hands on her will be free for holding the weapon to the right. The other hand is merged with the beast.
Also a bit of info about her. The beast and the princess is in symbiosis, fully merged together not only in form but in mind aswell. The princess control there every move and though.
Both of them has diffrent qualities to use, for example at nighttime she can use the beasts eyes to see better in the dark. During battle she does most of the fighting, using mostly her lethal weapon and knife-wings-thingys on her back (still havnt desided the design on those). She also have some magic powers of fire to do damage on range.
03 March 2009, 10:21 PM
I love the way that she melds in with her mount. Definitely an original idea. Looking forward to see more progress. :buttrock:
03 March 2009, 11:10 PM
Thanks, glad you like it :)
03 March 2009, 11:50 PM
Very cool and creepy looking, it's nice to see a Demon Princess who isn't just a pretty face :thumbsup:
03 March 2009, 02:59 AM
Awesome concept Greger, great reference as well, hope to see some 3D soon!
03 March 2009, 03:06 AM
I really like that concept also. Of the person melding in with the mount.
That's something new!
Keep em coming man
03 March 2009, 03:51 AM
Thanks everyone, Im really glad you all like the concept.
Im going to stick with the idea of them merged together, but the appearance and features might change quite a bit.
I did a little bit of zbrush-concepting on the beast here and I kinda like where this one is going.
The princess is very basic so far, im gonna try out some features on her tomorrow, got a few ideas. Need to cover her up as well, dont want her to be naked in the end.
Crits and comments are welcome
03 March 2009, 06:47 AM
Whoa man that was quick! Looks awesome already even in at a blocking stage. How do you plan to approach the merging flesh?? Going to model and add on as subtools I am assuming. Looking forward to some updates!!
03 March 2009, 03:09 PM
Yeah, I gonna do some tests with separate subtools for the flesh, hadnŽt thought about that yet actually, but thats probably the best way.
03 March 2009, 09:01 PM
Played around some more i zbrush today, trying out some features on the princess and working som more on the beast.
This is what I got so far, Im not sure about the princess yet, but the concept of the beast is good I think.
Also tried out some flesh to connect them, as it is right now is to small, I think im gonna try with larger peaces, as if their muscle groups was grown together.
03 March 2009, 10:04 PM
Love the concept! The melding into the mount looks spectacular. Who controls who? Does she direct the beast where to go, or does the beast just run around attacking everything insight? I'm thinking she needs something in her hands. Maybe some reins to control the beast or a prod of some sort. Just throwing out some ideas. What do you think?
03 March 2009, 10:20 PM
Hi. I wrote some short info about how she works along with the first concept, I moved that up to the first post now for everyone to see :)
She is the one in control, but they are fully merged in mind and body, working as one.
About the hands, yeah I was thinking that her right hand is melded onto the back of the beast, you might say that she has been holding on to the beast there for thousands of years and have now merged on to it.
In the left hand she will have a weapon of some kind, there is a shape for it in the first concept but I will probably change it a bit.
Thanks for you thoughts Obmoc :)
03 March 2009, 05:29 AM
kick ass idea, keep it up, can't wait to see more!!
03 March 2009, 06:20 AM
Awesome concept.. i love the idea of being able to use both their qualities for different situations, Great start on the zbrush sculpt.. looking awesome already
03 March 2009, 11:23 PM
Heres some more concept sculpting, trying out some features for the princess.
Some wings maybe?, It might work if they are dark in color. Im not sure, but I do really like the shape of them. WeŽll see. I,ll keep trying stuff.
Oh btw, there will be chains! :P oh my this is going to cost polygons ... But it HAVE to be chains!
03 March 2009, 11:33 PM
Greger those wings look awesome! Maybe try some kind of combination of the wings and the previous design, her head is lookin alittle big for her body atm but as you said your just testing stuff out :) If you have time you should try some type of tentacles coming out of her back merging into the beast to add more of the fact that they are connected. Just a thought
03 March 2009, 12:12 AM
Wow nice work allready!But the one thing that pop out. is the face of the lady demon like to sweet or something like that and on you ref i thought the haze white eyes looked better!!
But else nice work like the ideer of her being like infested inthe mounted creature!! sweet!
03 March 2009, 11:00 AM
Thank you for your replies.
GregStrangis: I was thinking that something should connect her at the back, you mentioning tentacles gave some great ideas, thanks :P
Im trying not to think to much about the anatomy at the moment, I know there are several wrongs right now and I will get back to it when the design of all the features is nailed.
Ill probably will be working on the face until the last day to get it right :)
Im also going to merge her right arm as soon as posible to enhance the feel of connection between them.
03 March 2009, 11:11 AM
Hej Greger! :) Very nice start! One thing that is good and bad at the same time, the beast i really like the head and front area of it, the placement of the teeth eyesockets and shapes of its jaws is very cool. The downside is that it outshines your character. I think you should keep pushing the mount so that you have some thing to push your character past, it'll be great i bet. I think its a good idea not to get hung up pn anatomy right now like you said, but i dont think thats the problem with your character, its her personality, she kind of looks like a confused middle aged woman. I'd love to see you play with her forms more as you've done with the beast, that'd be great. Keep up the great work!
03 March 2009, 11:30 AM
Very nice modeling :) I really like the details around her breasts. It adds some creepyness to a well-formed lady ;)
03 March 2009, 11:57 PM
FrozZT: Hi, Im glad you like the beast. I still got alot of work to do on the princess, the hole body is right now just to have something there, she wont look like this later, Im also planing to add more creapyness to the skin :)
MartinNielsen: Thanks! Im gonna add more of that all over her body later on.
Well, I did some tests, merging her right arm to the beast body and realized that it didnŽt work to well. The merging part was fine, but the composition just didnŽt look interesting enough.
I thought it would look cool, I had a plan, now im just confused and not sure what to do of this so I went back to drawing other features and leave that part for a while. Im just not sure how and where I want to merge her anymore.
Gonna sleep on it now and do some other tests tomorrow. :)
HereŽs a new wing-concept. along with some chains and clothing.
03 March 2009, 12:33 AM
Did some more concepting in photoshop today and I think im almost there now, I have a few more Ideas I want to add before im done.
I was thinking that one of her arm might be larger then the other and have another shape, maybe like a claw of some sort.
And alos give here a weapon in her other hand.
Down to the left I did a "crown" for the princess, I like the shape of it, but Im affraid it might be too much with both the wings and the crown, Im going to test it anyhow.
Crits and comments are very welcome :)
03 March 2009, 12:38 AM
sweet updates! Not too keen on the small horns to be honest - I think she'd be much sexier without them, just with the wings...
03 March 2009, 01:25 AM
Hey Greger, I agree with Intervain on the horns, also I like the look of the chains but they sure do suck up alot of geometry!
03 March 2009, 10:05 AM
I tried to remove the horns and I think your right It looks better. I thought the horns was essential for a demon, But I guess thats not always true, as long as you have other features like wings :)
Im gonna go without the horns for now.
03 March 2009, 10:09 AM
she's sexy!, but i wouldn't want to date here with this creature beneath her ... weists *G*
scary! i prefer it without the horns also.. the wings will also weigh out the top of the silhouette of your character , looking forward to the update! :)
03 March 2009, 10:22 AM
Hey Gregor.. impressive sculpt.. liek the overall feel of the model.. nice going.. jst one question?? wats that on her neck that u have put on the lower left side of the image??
03 March 2009, 11:09 AM
syrez-one Yeah that would be an awkward date hehe, But hey, she does "mental love", but then she would take over your mind so you wouldnt be able to control yourself :D
Hellgaurdian Thats her princess crown, I wasnt sure if I wanted it yet, but now that the horns is to be removed I think im gonna add it. It gives a very cool silouette.
Anyone got any thoughts on the crown? I kinda like it as it is but are open for suggestions.
04 April 2009, 08:51 PM
Looking really cool. Love what you've got so far. As far as the crown goes maybe you should try having it sit on top of her head where the horns were instead of the shoulders? Would make a greater distinction between the wings and the crown. Also while I agree that the horns weren't neccessary did like the look of having something on her head.
Just my two cents. Look foward to seeing what you come up with
04 April 2009, 10:31 PM
Great progress on your demon princess.
She's looking smoking hot along with the mount part of her.
The wings are a nice touch.
Keep it looking nightmarish.
04 April 2009, 10:46 PM
Galvaniseoil Yeah, I will probably move the crown to her head, or come up with another Idea. WeŽll see, gonna try some variations :)
Been a while since update now, but IŽve done some brushing, far from finished offcource. I have mostly been working on anatomy and trying to get the large shapes to feel right.
This is what I got so far.
04 April 2009, 12:14 AM
She is looking hot Greger! I am still not sold on the wings just yet but I am loving how her and her rider are coming along! Are you keeping that hair or are you going to go with something a little bit more messy??
04 April 2009, 11:38 AM
Thanks Greg. Ive been watching Queen Amidala from starwars, she has some cool hairstyles. Messy hair is also very interesting and I will try that too.
What hairstyle I choose depends on what direction I take her. One thought is to have clothes with patterns, ornaments, a crown and such, here I think amidala-hair would look nice.
Another Idea is to have less clothes and more skin abnormalities and ornaments directly on her skin. Then messy hair would look better.
Since im not sure yet im gonna leave the skin on her as it is for now and do some tests on clothing.
Queen amidala hair (http://www.mhcable.com/%7Exennifer/www.xennifer.com/QueenAmidala.jpg)
04 April 2009, 05:36 AM
Beautiful anatomy... Good luck on getting her under polycount.
04 April 2009, 11:09 PM
Ravis Thanks. It will be pain getting this one below 10k polys :)
Heres another update, not moving forward as fast as I would like to right now. But I will get there.
The wings are temporary removed, the next time u see them theyŽll hopefully look better.
Any comment are very welcome :)
04 April 2009, 01:16 AM
Solid work!!...I dig the anatomy man!...on both female and beast!...very cool!...this should transfer really well to the real-time model!....looking forward to more!..
04 April 2009, 04:41 AM
Thats a very nice sculpt. I love the concept as well. Once you add the chains, and wings, it's going to look stunning.
04 April 2009, 12:59 PM
sexy girl mixed the beast..good idea..^^!
05 May 2009, 11:58 PM
johnwoo, vikramvr, hankson. Thanks :)
Long time no update now. Was kinda stuck for a while, but today I did some progress finally. I think I work better while stressed :P (not much time left now)
Anyway. heres the latest. hope u like it.
05 May 2009, 12:06 AM
You really pulled the girl off beautifully. Her face is stunning.
I'm looking forward to seeing more detail of the beast. And I have to say that this concept is growing on me and becoming one of my favourites. Good luck.
05 May 2009, 12:18 AM
pretty kick ass character you have there. cant wait to see the bake
05 May 2009, 10:46 PM
Stunning work, my friend :) The beast/female transition is so nicely done. Happy baking :)
05 May 2009, 12:18 PM
Thanks for the replies guys, Im really glad you like it. :)
Im not ready to bake it just yet, I thought I might add some armor or something to the beast. I need more features to make this more interesting to look at, I think. However I dont have to much time left so it has to be something simple, simple and cool :) Ill see what I come up with.
05 May 2009, 11:37 PM
So Im like - please mister computer, can I have one more division on my model so I can make some fine details?
And heŽs like - LOL, you GOT to be kidding me right now!!
Then Im like - pleeeease, you are my favorite buddy, just give me one more!
Mister computer - *afk*..... *shuts down*
How do you guys do the fine details in zbrush? I always get memory problems and failed saves, very frustrating. Oh well, lost some good work today, but Im gonna try again tomorrow.
05 May 2009, 11:52 PM
Alright, this is it. I cant work any longer on the highpoly. Im not satisfied with the results, but I have to let it go now.
On to the texturing and baking.
Im gonna do another hairstyle in the lowpoly if there is time, a bit more messy.
05 May 2009, 08:06 AM
Hope you merge those armor details into the body somehow.
05 May 2009, 10:42 AM
Hello Greger, the beast looks very good. My suggestion is that you can do a version of her without hair with some tattoos on the head maybe, i think it will works for you.
Good work keep it up!
05 May 2009, 11:47 AM
Telsek, Eredhel Thank you :)
Yes, gonna add something to merge the armor. like spikes trough hes skin or something.
Tattoos instead of hair is a great idea, i will definitely try that, or maybe both hair and tattoos. Im going to try some variations. thanks :)
05 May 2009, 10:26 AM
Eh look really nice. I like your high poly details.
For me the legs look a bit short but i guess it doesnt really matter as you can barely see them.
05 May 2009, 11:43 AM
CharlesVarenne Thank you, The legs will be more visible when I add color since I want the beast and the princess to have different colors. Hopefully it will work anyway, otherwise ill just have to make them longer. Thanks.
05 May 2009, 12:30 AM
keep going man ..the deadline is close and this a great concept and hp modeling..cant wait to see the lp with textures, good luck!!:buttrock:
05 May 2009, 03:46 PM
rattlesnake Thanks for the kind words, makes me wanna push this as far as I can before deadline. :D
Im working one the lowres now, need to start baking very soon. Actually thinking of taking the day of on Friday so I can execute this.
05 May 2009, 08:48 PM
Heres an update. Lowres mesh at 9538 triangles at the moment. Im going to add hair and effects soon, so Ill need the rest of the triangles for that.
Normalmap and AO-map baked. There are a few places that need some tweeks, the paws of the beast for example, but ill fix that when I make the Diffusemap.
More updates soon
05 May 2009, 01:44 AM
Heres a WIP on the diffuse texture. Finishing it tomorrow, along with everything else hopefully.
05 May 2009, 02:54 AM
Looking good dude, should be interesting to see how you integrate the girls and mounts flesh in the texture.
Hope you get it finished in time :)
05 May 2009, 10:02 PM
Untamed Thanks :)
Got alot done today, did some hair, worked on the color texture, tried out some poses. Desided to go with this one.
Also, as you can se I did some rendering. The result is okay, I guess. However I want to do some more fixes on the textures before I let this go. Need to add a specmap too.
Hope u like it! :)
05 May 2009, 12:17 AM
Looks great. I like the new hair. I really like the red you added where she connects also. Looking forward to the final product.
05 May 2009, 12:36 AM
welll she looks very sexy on that pose man!, the part that i love the most is the fusion between her and the creature, really awesome! the specular will add more life to all the fleshy parts ..cant wait :thumbsup:
05 May 2009, 09:50 PM
rattlesnake HitmonDavis Thanks, Im really glad u like it :)
Alright, Im done. Didn't get much further then this, but its something.
Check the final images on the first page.
05 May 2009, 04:32 PM
Great job on texturing!
05 May 2009, 04:32 PM
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