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07 July 2003, 10:26 PM
Hi all! :)

Here's an image I made fairly recently:

This image was made for a bookcover for a book by John Baxter ( It portrays a "what if" scenario of two Australian fighter planes (CA-15 "Kangaroo") shooting down an Indonesian Air Force F-51 Mustang in the early 1950s.

I hope you like it!!



PS. A bigger version can be found on my website below.

Silver Sliver
07 July 2003, 11:47 PM
Very good! This should go on the frontpage :applause:

07 July 2003, 01:26 AM
Nice! Really cool looking render.:thumbsup:

07 July 2003, 01:31 AM
Very good modeling and textures. I like it alot A+

07 July 2003, 02:44 AM
I like the pic, but I personally think that the planes are too clean looking. For a book cover they work, but I think that the textures need a little more dirt and grim to make them more real looking. Nice stylized work though.

07 July 2003, 03:24 AM
I also think it has a super-realist look to it. I wouldn't change it though...but it lacks gritty realism....but don't change it...its tops :p

07 July 2003, 08:07 AM
Hi Ronnie m8, long time no talk, come into chat we must catch up :)

stunning work as usual. my only minor crits -

the flame is too yellow and saturated
the pilot in the front p-51 looks tiny!!!
and the front plane i think is too crisp and sharp, kinda doesn't sit perfectly in the scene. perhaps a splodge of mb and grain?

Kel Solaar
07 July 2003, 08:40 AM
Great Picture. These planes are beautifull, good job ! :buttrock:

07 July 2003, 10:14 AM
Thanks for all comments!

I have to disagree with a couple of them though:

* pilot in front P-51 too small
It's not a P-51 but a CA-15, a much bigger plane. The pilot is exactly to scale. All you see is the top 2/3s of his cap.

* too clean
Both plane types are in natural metal configuration - thus no paint - so no paint chipping or anything like that. My models are pretty matt and worn, compared to what was normal for these planes. The exhaust stains on the front plane are quite a bit heavier than is normally common.
Here is a picture of the real CA-15:
As you can see it's a hell of a lot more shiny

* flame too yellow
This plane has been hit in the fuel tank and it's burning aviation fuel what you see. These are quite brightly coloured flames. I guess you're right that I overdid it a bit (too big yellow patches), but as it was for a cover, it needed to attract attention! :D

* motion blur and grain
It's all there, but kinda gets lost at this small resolution and jpg compression. The "wingman" looks quite blurry on the cover. I don't like to hide detail in a haze of motionblur though, and since all planes are travelling in the same direction at approximately the same speed, there was no need for large amounts of motionblur.
I've bought a book of combat action images recently, and most pictures are pretty clear. Relative speeds in aircombat aren't that great when planes travel in the same direction, and all motionblur you get is on propellers! ;)

Thanks again! And keep the crits coming, both good and bad. Even if I don't agree personally, they give me a good idea of what "the public" wants to see, and can consider that in future images! :)

07 July 2003, 02:34 PM
I'd say its perfect (but I'm far from being any sort of expert).
Not only does it look great, but it does what its supposed to do: make someone interested in the book. I'm thinking of seeing if the local book store has it.:thumbsup:

07 July 2003, 08:24 PM
Hi Smoke,

Thanks!!! :) I am glad you like it!
Don't bother looking in the local bookshop though, as you won't find it there, I'm afraid. The production is fairly limited. You would have to order it through John Baxter himself (see link above), although a big specialist bookstore in the UK has ordered a number of copies and will be selling them soon, I suppose.
Also, you can mail the author directly at if you're interested in the book :)

07 July 2003, 04:25 PM
For those who like this sort of stuff, wireframes:

07 July 2003, 04:25 PM

07 July 2003, 05:01 PM
excellent stuff..

Just wondering what program you used to model and render the scene in..?. Dunno why I'm so interested in such menial things but i always like to guess what it might be done in.!. Do people think it's realistic to be able to guess which program the scene was renedered in? (perhaps not modelled..)

nice. :)

07 July 2003, 01:30 AM
Great work Ronnie, I remember seeing the solo render of the CA-15 you showed a few weeks back. I don't really have any critique, it does the job and looks awesome as well :thumbsup:

Be sure to let us know about the book - it sounds very intruiging.

07 July 2003, 01:36 AM
The texture is so good!
:buttrock: :buttrock:

07 July 2003, 03:05 AM
Hi Ronnie,

Can't belive I missed your thread! Not enough time to brows I guess. Anyway, very cool image. Awesome work as usual! So, what's next (type of AC)?
Oh, just curious (question for anyone), how come we hardly ever see any artwork like this make frontpage? What do the moderators base front page material on?
Either way, deserves front page! :)


07 July 2003, 03:31 AM
Nice work, I really like the intensity of the fire, and you can see it reflecting off the plane in the lower left :thumbsup:

07 July 2003, 05:03 AM
What a great scene. I bet it will look great on the cover of the book. I am a big fan of WW2 planes, I hope you create more of them. Thanks for the info on the CA-15. At first glace it could be mistaken for a P-51. Your website rocks. Love the Flash of the Focke-Wulf. :applause:

07 July 2003, 05:11 AM
Originally posted by MovieRelics
I like the pic, but I personally think that the planes are too clean looking. For a book cover they work, but I think that the textures need a little more dirt and grim to make them more real looking. Nice stylized work though.
With my recent trip to see P-38's I have to say they are super clean, nice render BUT there seems to be something missing.... Exhaust smoke..these birds burn alot of oil and it reflects in the exhaust. Try to add it and dirty up theplanes.. SWEET JOB:thumbsup:

07 July 2003, 08:02 PM
Thanks all for the additional replies! Very much appreciated!

Here is the way the book cover looks: (

The image wraps around on the back cover, by the way.

thom:f, it's made in MAX and for rendering I used the default renderer together with my E-Light script.

Bliz, there are links to the book in the first post. Or click the image above!

MadHamish, thanks! I agree with you on the fact that front page artwork usually involves character work, which is far more popular. You see the occasional car, but that's about it. I think it could be a good idea to make a seperate Character art forum, as more than half of the finished work forum is about characters. I do feel non-character work is a bit under-appreciated here. But that's just my humble and strongly biased opinion ;)
Having said that, my work has actually featured on the front page - about a year and a half ago! Well, my website to be precise, and that was on CGChannel main page :) But it would definately be nice to see more aircraft in the Gallery!

Fakie, well spotted! Your Honda looks promising, btw!

Greengold, glad you like the Shockwave3D model! I should put more of those on my site. And perhaps create a skydome around them or something. What do you think?

Thanks again all!

07 July 2003, 08:36 AM
Hey Ronnie!

Only just spotted this. Up to your normal high standard :)

Very clean looking mesh BTW. Are you going to post a tutorial of secret 'Skyraider' techniques anytime soon?

07 July 2003, 08:51 PM
Thanks Jol!

I'm afraid I won't be writing any tutorials soon. Work is eating up all my time lately... :shrug:

07 July 2003, 09:09 PM
Only one word: EXCELLENT!

and xtreme Good Fx!!!

09 September 2003, 11:26 PM
Thanks Chabene :)

Lil' profile image I made from this:

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