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01 January 2009, 04:39 PM

Enjoyed using the forum last time for my wip so I thought I'd start another. This is going to be a character piece based on a recent experience in a pub called the Hobgoblin. It's probably not clear at the moment but the goblin will have optics/bottles drilled into his head (for the record, this never happened in the pub!).

Hopefully the final piece will be a lighthearted image, but, with serious undertones of the binge drinking problem, which is huge in Britain.

30 mins in and I think I've settled on the rough composition, and the face is working reasonably well for me at the moment. Lighting is a bit off, but hoping to unify that a bit more as I go.

01 January 2009, 02:58 PM
Just a quick update, next I'm going to start concentrating a bit more on the bottles/optics.

Comments & crits welcomed.

01 January 2009, 12:53 PM
Like the concept. If your about to work on the bottles/optics I'd want to see more emphasis on where they connect into his head to avoid the look of an old woman at the hairdresssers. I dont mean that sarcastically!

01 January 2009, 04:35 PM
Thanks for the comment, I agree. I'm intending to have the optics show through to the brain.

Here's a quick update:

01 January 2009, 01:02 AM
I seriously do not want to sit next to that man in a bar ! Very creepy, a great job on his expression :thumbsup:


01 January 2009, 01:38 AM
I like the perspective you put in - it adds to the off-balance feel. The cup looks a little odd to me, though. It is not quite symmetrical - though perhaps that is what you were aiming for.

02 February 2009, 05:09 PM
Here's an update, trying to make a start on all the glass/reflections- could be a bit of a nightmare. Going to try and keep the glass simplified- I don't want it to look uber realistic- partly because of time but mainly because it would clash with the rest of the image.

02 February 2009, 05:12 PM
DArcy- thanks, thats the mood I was going for! Cheers

Mindewen- Hopefully fixed now, what do you think? Thanks for stopping by :)

02 February 2009, 06:34 PM
looking great so far ^_^ w8ing for updates :thumbsup:

02 February 2009, 07:13 PM
great smile and face:]

02 February 2009, 10:45 AM
I think the whole image would improve if the main subject was brought forward i.e highlighted allowing the backgroung to recede, almost as though he is sitting at a more brightly lit bar against a more shadowy background. This may help with the glass/reflections. However your time constraints may not allow it!

Impressed with the leering figure and the composition overall.

02 February 2009, 04:43 PM

Quick update! Thanks for the comments :)

Paulos, ACB- cheers, thanks for having a look

Jimbo- Yeah I agree, I switched lightsource about halfway through which isn't a great idea! Hopefully the increased contrast on the character will pull him forward, thanks for the advice. I'll finalise some heavy shadows once I've painted the reflections.

Oh by the way the bottom left curving paint will be fluid splashing up the side as if the bar itself is morphing into lager- I want it to almost look like we are looking at him through a pint. That probably makes no sense! but it'll be clearer in the next few updates :)

Thanks again

02 February 2009, 05:06 PM
It does make sense and I can see it forming. Nice idea. That in itself will increase focus on the central character. Good luck with it.

02 February 2009, 05:13 PM
Just had another look back. Glass is looking better especially the green bottle. The liquids still look too opaque though. I think the light relections/bands in the glass need to be more distinct/brighter.

02 February 2009, 05:26 PM
Jimbo- thanks, yeah..Just doing that now. The brighter reflections/refractions are certainly helping. I'll post an update once I've done a bit more. It's quite tricky painting the reflections- even tiny changes can really throw it off and make it look completely wrong. It's a shame I don't have a HDR sphere of a pub then I could build the bottles in 3d quickly and render a pass....though that might be a bit over the top! Still, a good excuse to go to the pub and have another look round ;)

02 February 2009, 07:26 PM
quick update

03 March 2009, 03:18 PM
Next update, start to add some detailing here and there...still battling a little bit with the lighting on the face..still need much more work on the glass bottles and spheres (optics). Also not sure how over the top I should go with the blood on his forehead, any thoughts appreciated.

03 March 2009, 08:39 PM
Looking really good now. Personally wouldnt go more over the top with the blood as it could detract from the rest of the image.

Think I'd like to see the teeth contrasted slightly more as they look similar in tone to the skin.

And possibly the extreme left of the "beer froth" effect in the image could be lighter to look more like that in the glass. Depends on how subtle you want to keep the suggestion of looking through a beer glass.

Great work. Slightly spooky but great!

03 March 2009, 03:24 AM
I prefer the more subtle blood myself



03 March 2009, 06:43 PM
Here's an update, I keep repainting areas as I'm pretty unhappy with the lighting as it stands..any comments on the lighting would help- though I'm beginning to think it's more a problem with the skintones than anything else. I've flipped it so that people can look at it with fresh eyes- I do plan to have it facing the original way.

Thanks for the comments again :) Oh and do you think I should paint 'Guinness' on the glass? Or might that get me in trouble :s

03 March 2009, 01:27 AM
Looking good. Check the curvature of the bottom of the glass though. It should mimic the curve at the top of the glass.

03 March 2009, 04:50 PM
Thanks Kirt, amazing how I'd ignored that having been staring at the image too much!- I've repainted it a little..but its still not perfect.

Here's an update- just finalising materials a little bit before I do a final paintover fixing any niggles. I could spend hours on the glass without really getting anywhere so I'm not going to do to much more on that- I just want it to 'pass' for glass really.

Still a few details to finish, like the bottle labels and the eyes/eyebrows/teeth. Other than that I think I'm getting close to finishing, really need to stick a fork in it.

03 March 2009, 01:08 AM
I'm loving this now ! I wasn't sold on the bright red blood ( a personal thing, I think blood is overused - like giant swords and metal bikinis) but with his green hair it fits right in. Great job on the bar foam and that snakes head (a lovely detail !). I don't think you need to add "Guinness" - most north americans will read "dark beer" as Guinness anyway.



03 March 2009, 11:30 AM
Excellent stuff. I much prefer the green hair and love the touches of the snakes head and the view of the brain through the optics. The glass works for me too. Great work.

(If this was inspired by a visit to you local pub, which one is it because I wont be going there!)

03 March 2009, 03:08 PM
Darcy- thanks again for the comments, appreciate you taking the time :)

Jdujour- Cheers, glad you prefer the hair. I wasn't sure about it but now think it balances nicely with the saturated colours in the glasswork.

Here's an almost final update. I played around for ages with possible text/symbols to go on the glass spheres, as they have in most pubs....but decided it was just cluttering things up and didn't add much to the piece.

Any final comments are greatly appreciated, but may not be heeded as Im fairly happy with it and don't want to spend anymore time on it! The final touches will be colour tweaks and possibly a texture overlay...but I'll see how it looks.

03 March 2009, 03:51 PM
Looks done to me!

Excellent piece.

03 March 2009, 05:47 PM
Yeah, going to call it a day with a few minor changes. Here's the final :) Thanks again for the comments

Think I will call it 'Time at the Bar' or 'Last Orders' or maybe 'The Binge Crown'.

Also a couple of quotes I thought were decent,

The first thing in the human personality that dissolves in alcohol is dignity. -Anon

Drunkenness is nothing but voluntary madness. -Seneca

Always remember that I have taken more our of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me.- Churchill

I tried to drown my sorrows, but the bastards learned how to swim, and now I am overwhelmed by this decent and good feeling- Kahlo

03 March 2009, 07:38 PM
This is just amazing, I'm loveing his mad expression :thumbsup:

03 March 2009, 01:34 PM
Logic, cheers for the comment- glad you like it :)

You can see the final result here:

Would really appreciate any final comments or crits!


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