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10 October 2008, 01:41 PM
I post here some of my sketches... :)

This is my fish, John... ^_^
Experiment in Painter

Another experiment in Painter

Photoshop :)


10 October 2008, 02:18 PM
Good start!
Try to include one "real life" figure drawing as often as possible. Those are the learning sketches...


10 October 2008, 03:06 PM
I will try to sketch my mum and bf somethimes....other real life are impossible now for me :p

Do you think that it's ok if I use also some photoreferences of people in "all day situations" ?

10 October 2008, 03:58 PM
Your mum and your BF are EXCELLENT models! You are around them a lot, so you can study them when you are not drawing them (Let them know you will probably be staring at them a lot for awhile). ESPECIALLY your mum. Mums are great because they are so used to you, that it does not take long for them to "tune out" that you are drawing them all the time. You should try to do one Mum drawing EVERY DAY. You will not believe how quickly you will see improvement, and your mum will feel important, which all mums are, and should feel...

Set a timer for 15 minutes or a half hour when she is doing something that takes a bit of time, like peeling potatoes or reading or watching TV. Do quick 5 minute sketches when you can, and let her see the timer, so she'll know she can move in another 3 minutes...
And ALWAYS give her a big hug and kiss Thank You for posing for you to help you improve your art...

Photo references are good and bad. They are WONDERFUL for practicing general body postures and clothing draping. They are horrid for nuanced detail.
You are nowhere NEAR worrying about nuanced details yet, so for now, use them as much as possible. BUT, use them correctly. Until your technical skills are more polished, you must really try to be as accurate as possible with photo refs, even though camera lenses lie and distort images somewhat. Eventually, you will learn to discern those camera lies and not include them in your art.

You are making a great start here.

10 October 2008, 06:17 PM
Your mum and your BF are EXCELLENT models! You are around them a lot, so you can study them when you are not drawing them (Let them know you will probably be staring at them a lot for awhile). ESPECIALLY your mum. Mums are great because they are so used to you, that it does not take long for them to "tune out" that you are drawing them all the time. You should try to do one Mum drawing EVERY DAY. You will not believe how quickly you will see improvement, and your mum will feel important, which all mums are, and should feel...

Set a timer for 15 minutes or a half hour when she is doing something that takes a bit of time, like peeling potatoes or reading or watching TV. Do quick 5 minute sketches when you can, and let her see the timer, so she'll know she can move in another 3 minutes...
And ALWAYS give her a big hug and kiss Thank You for posing for you to help you improve your art...
You are making a great start here.

That is so cute. I totally agree =)

And great start indeed. ^^ All figures have really nice proportion and curves.
Hope to see more.

10 October 2008, 12:28 AM
Some free sketches...


And meet my mum :)

I did these sketches this always mum falls asleep while watching TV .... :)

Sorry for the low quality, I had to take a fast pic of them with the camera since I have no scanner :p


10 October 2008, 01:16 AM
Hi Mum!

Alice, these are delightful! EXCELLENT way to seriously start working on drawing what you see.
Life Drawing is one of the best teachers on the planet.

Very nice work on the pillows and the couch. Mum's appearance already improved in image #2. By the time you hit image #100, you will be pretty good at this, trust.

The imaginary drawings show anatomy problems. The ribcage area and waist are some strange imaginary anatomy. The faces show bad proportions, with little to no lower jaws. The fingers show poor joints, and the 3 stick guys are good, the one with the cylinders is a bit wonky in the shoulder/neck area...
Read this tutorial ( to learn better torsos for your stick figures.

This is also when photos will do you good service.
This is a great resource, even if you cannot afford a membership.
Pick any of the images at the bottom of the page and draw it. Give yourself a half hour, tops. Try for 20 minutes.
NOTE: Do NOT click on the other links, as some of them try to install a "toolkit" onto your PC. ONLY work with the images at the main site link.

Really, really good sketches of mum. MORE of those. Please!

10 October 2008, 02:10 AM
Lol she was so sweet...and I never noticed it!!
This is the amazing thing of this kind of lets you face the inner magic in people!
No matter if it's not the best sketch of ever, it has a soul in some way! And I'm really happy for this! You made my day with this tip! ;-)

Thank u for the links, gonna put my hand on these tomorrow :)

10 October 2008, 06:31 AM
Lol she was so sweet...and I never noticed it!!
This is the amazing thing of this kind of lets you face the inner magic in people!
No matter if it's not the best sketch of ever, it has a soul in some way! And I'm really happy for this! You made my day with this tip! ;-)

Thank u for the links, gonna put my hand on these tomorrow :)You have learned a VERY important part about being an artist. It's not just the technical, it's the ability to see and convey that inner soul of the artwork that makes it "Art..." And yes, you did a good job of capturing it.

Every day. One sketch of Mum. And just because you drew her asleep does not get you out of paying her the hug and kiss ~ Don't forget!

Looking forward to your update!

10 October 2008, 06:03 PM

Thank you Cybr...your support means a lot to me :)
Here is the daily sketch of mum...she was at dinner, quite perplexed about being a model and really hard to stay quiet!! ^_^
At the end I showed her the drawing and she was quite surprised, I think she was prepared to see a much worse thing :p
Again, technically this piece is not that much, but when I look at it I can feel warm, I can feel that..."this is mummy" :)
Hugs to my mum? Eheheh she always has a lot of them from me, she's the only one in my family that has been always near to me in the last 4 years of illness...she's amazing :)

No more sketches today, work kept me busy :( Maybe later in the night :)

10 October 2008, 09:57 PM
I am SO glad you are enjoying this. I must admit, I am enjoying watching how you ARE visibly improving with every sketch of Mum.

They are not meant to be masterpieces, they are meant to be training sketches. IF you have talent, and IF you put your heart into your effort, you can then have them actually turn INTO mini-masterpieces, but that is just icing on the cake.

I think you are doing wonderful. I think EVERY sketch is showing your skills improving.
I really like the profile of Mum's face today. The area by the far eye is one many people have a lot of difficulty in drawing correctly. This is where your heart shows. You observe and carefully render. It's much easier when it's Mum, she's close to your heart. Years from now, when you draw and paint people for money, you will still take the time to observe and draw accurately, because you will be used to the workflow...

Excellent sketch for today, keep it up!

You still DO need to also be working on "basics," though. One practice page every other day from any art book or online tutorial you choose...

And you were going to be cranking out all these speedpaints every! It WAS a great plan, but too confining. Isn't this a MUCH more fun practice and learning plan? ;)


10 October 2008, 01:19 AM
Omg yes my program was a complete pain >.<
It would probably been ok in order to definitively kill my love for drawing :D

A deep night painting, I can't sleep so I dedicated myself to this copy...

To be honest, I prefer much more to sketch mummy ^_^

....More to come.... :D

10 October 2008, 07:40 AM
Good! Keep sketching Mum, I like those better, too. Funny how this is a GOOD practice copy exercise, but no, it doesn't have that "magic" spark like the Life drawings of Mum...That spark is the difference between a lot of people who paint portraits, and true "Artists." I've seen a couple of websites, one of a VERY respected atelier instructor, where the portraits look as flat and soulless as a piece of cardboard, even though the colors, and proportions, and everything was technically near perfect...

So, more MUM! "C'mon Mum, just one more 10 minute quick sketch, pretty please?" Does she know you sketch her when she's asleep in front of the telly?


10 October 2008, 03:25 PM
My mum is beautiful but not so good at posing...she always complains about it! <.<

By the way, here it is another sketch of her...this time I tried with some coloured pencils:

And here's our dog, Polly, while sleeping:


Some other sketches ...random ones ;)

And later I will post the exercise sketching.... :)

10 October 2008, 07:36 PM
That's why you have to give Mum an EXTRA hug and kiss for posing for you. She'll still complain, but just tell her someday, when you are a rich and famous artist, you'll tell the world how you couldn't have done it without her posing for you all those years!

That's also why you give her the timer to look at. Or give her a magazine. Or let her watch TV...

I realized looking at your latest stuff, that part of why I see SUCH strong potential in you, is that you DRAW. You make nice, clean, LINES. You do not do that horribly lame and uneducated "chicken scratch" sketching. That is so, so, SO bad for developing your skills, as you are essentially trying to "fence in" your idea, because you are not skilled enough to just draw what you envision.

You don't do that. As a result, your sketches of Mum, and even the dog, show this really nice, organic, unity to them, which is something some people NEVER achieve, even after years of formal art training.

I like the funny creature all tied up, and the fantasy queen shows good promise. Actually, they are ALL good. You DO have talent. You CAN be a producing artist with your talent. Keep at it. Eventually you will have enough works to put together a very good portfolio.

I just realized the funny creature isn't tied up on a chair, he just has really bad! So I have to take back half of that compliment...;)


10 October 2008, 07:52 PM
You are encouraging me so much :) I'm glad to have your critic eye on my works :D
What to say...I still feel rusty and in some way really distant from the ideal line i have in my mind, but well exercise and time will bring it too :p

About the little creature, he's in a weird position...I wanted him this way :p so i keep my gratz back!! lol

Working on "Fun with a pencil" right now, hope to post something later or tomorrow ;)

10 October 2008, 10:07 AM
Some exercise sketches on human poses:

And some fast head sketches:

10 October 2008, 04:28 PM
You are TOO fast on the head sketches, they are too sloppy. Slow down enough for ACCURATE hand movements. You need to train your hand to do what you want, meaning nice circles, and straight lines (yeah, Loomis says don't worry about it, but you still need to strive for accuracy...)

The gestures are good, proportion wise. I like them, but again, your lines are not straight. The legs on a couple look like four curved lines (2 per leg), as if the poor stick man has bad!

Good work, just for acually practicing the "boring stuff." As you see, the "boring stuff" needs more practice...I'd like you to re-do the heads, especially, trying to be a bit "tighter" on them. But don't slow down. Practice drawing 10 - 20 circles before you draw heads. Just to get your hand "warmed up" for drawing...
I don't think Loomis mentions it, but I had an art teacher many years ago who would insist that we spend about 5 minutes at the beginning of class just warming up with looping strokes, which would then work into drawing 5-6 rows of precise circles...Like athletes warming up before a competition...

Looking forward to today's Mum sketch!

10 October 2008, 05:57 PM
Hmmm I think I catched what you mean...maybe it's because I always looked at sketches like a thing "that needs to be done fast". Now I realize it's more "a thing that will train me".

And about my little humanoids...I curved the legs to suggest the shape of the this bad? :( They seem so stucky and strange to me if i make them straight :-/

10 October 2008, 06:39 PM
Suggest is one thing, you rush too much, to where your suggestion is more like a scream... ;)

Where did someone come up with the TOTALLY wrong concept that leg bones are curvy??? I've seen it used for stick men over the years, and never understood the reasoning behind blatently bad anatomy...

You need to be aware that the thigh bone is angled from the hip to the knee, but there are NO curves in your leg bones. For that matter, the legs are not really shaped in curves, either...If anything, you should be drawing angles, not curves.

Of COURSE they look "stick-y," they are STICK MEN! The basic skeletal structure looks like stick men. As you get further through "Fun With a Pencil," you'll be practicing more with your stick men for gestures, and learn how to have them be a bit more accurate.

Here ( is a minute long movie to quickly show you some drawing Leg Basics. Note how the basic line for the leg is straight, and then the musculature is fleshed out over it.

You may want to add a "What I Learned Today" portion to your Daily Sketchbook entries...
Today, you learned that "quick" sketches aren't always that quick, and that leg bones should be drawn straight, even on stick!

Where's Mum?

10 October 2008, 07:46 PM
Yah, bones are not curved ......... wow...
As my granma always says, in this world you never stop to learn!

You are asking of mum, but after you met her and our dog, I think it's time for you to meet another person ... my boyfriend!!
Mum imposed me to give her a holiday, and to use him as model. And you know, what mum desire is an order!
Today I had also a very strong session with my doctor, and after this I have been able to go out with my boyfriend and our dog. It has been wonderful to stay in open air, in the warm autumn, without too much fear ^_^
So I used that precious time to sketch him reading a journal...and here he is!

Then, I tried to draw again my heads, but slowly and without all that need to run and be perfect togheter :p
I think I'm getting a little more near to it...

(sorry for the bad quality... lol I need a scanner :p )

And a sketch of our bonsai and another plant we have in the living room...

And a hug from mum, BF and dog! :p

10 October 2008, 08:10 PM
WONDERFUL work today, Alice!

I like the Boyfriend. You captured his personality, even though he's absorbed in the book.

The new head exercise DOES look MUCH better. Even you can see the improvement. That is always good.

I think bonsai are such odd looking things, but so fascinating for all the time and effort it takes to get one to look "just so." Mine always end up looking "dead..." lol!

Nice work. Hugs back to your gang! And remeber, Mum HAS to sleep!

10 October 2008, 06:04 AM
Hey thanks for your comment on my thread...I love so much to paint landscape n moods....well u have very nice fantasy stuff in yur website..i like them a lot.....and keep doing anatomy study n sketching........ :thumbsup:

Keep visit my thread....

10 October 2008, 11:27 AM
Naresh, thank you for your comment :)

Let's show some new stuff :p

Boyfriend session #2
(That man is impossible!!! It took me more time to explain him that I need him to stay quiet, than to make the sketch^^)
Trowing the ball to our dog :p

During launch...


New sticky men:

And a girl from a reference:

Thank you for looking :-)

10 October 2008, 10:26 PM
Very nice, today!

I like the new sticky men. They really convey movement in a very natural way. The hips and angling the legs makes a BIG difference, don't you think?

Be careful with the BF's wrists and forearms. He is slender, but you are drawing these a bit too slender, I think. Really nice Lunch sketch with the grapes. He's getting better at posing, it seems.
Don't let Mum off the hook for too long. Sketch her snoozing...;)

Good work today.

10 October 2008, 03:47 PM
The thing about "slow sketches" is helping me a lot...taking my time to draw, without the need of run, is a real blessing :p

So... here it is the daily session of life drawing...

The boyfriend:

And Mum sitting after the launch ^_^


10 October 2008, 04:53 PM
Mum is lovely, you are really getting good with her eyes and facial prorportions.

The poor boyfriend looks like a little boy in front of a huge table and computer. His head should be about the size of the monitor, unless you have a really giant monitor. Is that a giant water bottle to the left? LOL!

Mum was the better sketch of the two, today!


10 October 2008, 10:44 PM
Yes agree, I can see myself some improvements in mum's sketches.
About the BF one...yes, you are's my baaad way to draw perspective >.< I must study something simple and useful about it >.<
The big was so big cause it's nearest to the obeserver!! Couldn't you catch it? :O

Studies will be posted tomorrow...not enough light to get a picture :)

10 October 2008, 10:05 AM
Hand study from yesterday night :D


And I need to find a good book on perspective...suggestions? I want to be able to draw landscapes too! :(

10 October 2008, 09:03 PM
Perspective doesn't really need a book. It just needs some basic explanations, and like everything else, lots of Practice...

Here are a couple weblinks for you to check out:

They should give you more than enough information to get started...

10 October 2008, 11:08 AM
The daily Mum sketch:

Some hand studies from Hogarth and Loomis:

And some free sketches from photoreferences:


10 October 2008, 11:22 AM
And my last painting accepted on the 2d showcase!! I'm so happy!! ^^

AmrÓn_Na_Habhann (

10 October 2008, 04:35 PM
SUPER CONGRATULATIONS on the 2nd Showcase acceptance! GOOD FOR YOU!!!

Mum is truly a lovely woman. Keep these up no matter what. You will eventually have enough to make her a booklet of just Mum sketches (but you'll need at least a year's worth to make a nice gift...hint hint).

The hands are looking very nice. Just be sure not to over-emphasize the joint knuckles, unless the person suffers from arthritis. The joints are no larger than then bones, it's just where they join together.

The anatomy of the heads on all 3 copy images is horrid. One has too much head with too tiny a face, one has too little head with no brain cavity, and the tiny one in the corner looks like a sinful Pena copy, which is compounding bad anatomy drawing with a bad anatomy drawing of it...Boooo. :(
If you are going to copy other artworks, they better be GOOD copies. Otherwise, stick to your world. You learn and improve nothing copying the mistakes of others.

Another good day of effort. Now start putting in a bit more careful observation time. Look more at the shapes of things, like fingers and joints, and head and hair (two shapes that make one shape).

10 October 2008, 07:15 PM
Hiya my Guru! *rofl*

About hands...I'm studying on Hogarth, so I think that a little bit of that emphasis come from him; I don't like it so much, but in some ways it helps me to move better in the hand gemoetry; well in any case it's a thing that will be fixed soon ;-)
About the copies....did u noticed it too? lol
About the brainless one...well she's asian and in a strange perspective so it could
The other two came out that way and I had no idea of how to fix it >.<
I mean, for sure it's my need of study about body proportions. If I have to draw a standing figure is not that bad...the problem is to stay orientated when that body is sitting or so...all that measurements *go to hell* lol
Well exercise and exercise and exercise!

About mum, I'd like to start with some full body session, I'm still trying to find a way to communicate it to her! :D

10 October 2008, 12:49 AM
That is where you will start to combine your workflows.

You will have the rough idea of the pose.
You ask mum to pose for you, with your camera at the ready.
Half an hour if possible, 15 minutes. You will be gesture sketching, then placing the shapes of mum over the gesture stick mum. You then pick up the camera and take 2 pictures from where you are. Now go back and keep working on fleshing out the stick mum with the general shape.

When the timer is up, Mum escapes, and you have your photos to help you finish the Mum sketch...

That's why learning this stuff seems dull at times, but it is like a jigsaw puzzle. All these tiny pieces soon join to become a whole. Each exercise brings you closer to incorportaing all the considerations into one piece, with a method to your steps.

As you continue practicing, you are also training your eye. Eventually, your eye will develop to the point where you will be able to look at a misshaped feature, and correct it. All things in time...


10 October 2008, 08:51 AM
OH really good idea! ^_^
Yes I think i can force mum for 15 minutes...I'm training her maximum time is 5 minutes but we can work on it too!! lmao when this is over, I will find a job as painter and mum will have a career as model rofl!

10 October 2008, 01:21 PM
The photocamera has gone :-/

so ... I will continue to sketch and post something really soon (I hope).
I'm trying to work on digital, but it seems i'm not so good at digital sketching :(

See you soon ^^

10 October 2008, 01:40 PM
And this is what I mean when I say I'm not good at digital sketching:

I'm in one of these bad days when the world seems to fall over me.
I am in the darkness, in the silence and without any ray of light.
My wings have been broken and my weight seems more and more.
I can't talk and I can't explain.
I see myself on rough ground, kneeling in a cruel spotlight surrounded by the deepest darkness.
I'm loosing the last fragment of hope.
I don't feel strong enough. Life is beating hard.
Can you still put some life in a drawing when you feel soul less?

10 October 2008, 04:06 PM
Digital or traditional, the core foundations are the same.
It is merely a matter of getting used to the differences in feel, reaction, and result.

If you paint in pencil, it is different from watercolor, which is different from ink, which is different from oil.
Which are all different from digital.
Like ALL skills, it can be learned.

This is a fair drawing. But no, your linework is not as confident. You try to "fence in" what you wanting to draw with many small strokes.
Stop. Think of the stroke you want to make, and then make it. Decisively.

Practice, practice. You WILL get better.

The secret to Life, the secret to "soul" is light.
ANY artwork, and any heart can be given more "life," with a better inclusion of light...
Light has always been a symbol of HOPE.
Be it the sun, the moon, a pale and distant star, or a simple candle in the dark.
Or even just the memory of brighter days.
Let the light enfold and comfort you until your strength is renewed...


10 October 2008, 11:05 AM
I'm in a sad mood.
I feel desperate. Surrounded in darkness.
This morning I woke up with a strong desire to cry, and I listened to "Our Farewell" by Within Tempations. This is the image that came in my mind...

I'd like to make a complete painting from this.
I still dont know if I will be able to give the right feeling, the struggling feeling I have inside.
For sure it will need me lot of learning about photoshop brushes and colours.
Let's see if I will be able to do it...

10 October 2008, 05:04 PM
Just remind yourself, NOTHING lasts forever. Not sadness, not joy.

You are only as happy as YOU allow yourself to be.

I allow myself to indulge being "blue" and sad, and then, after I've wallowed in it for awhile, I remind myself of the above two phrases, and then make a conscious effort to be happier. Even when I have to "fake it" for awhile, I find that it does help me over the worst of the sadness quite often.

Use LOTS of layers and reduced brush opacity to experiment, only merging down when you are truly satisfied with a section.

Hope you feel better soon!


10 October 2008, 10:58 AM
Just a fast update...
I will be able to upload my traditional sketches soon; I'm having a strong pain in my back and drawing is not so easy, by the way.
So... I'm focusing on eyes this time, this is the digital sketch I did.

I'm really happy of the texture of the skin (finally!), thought I had no idea from where to start to decide the tones of the skin; I stole the colour palette from a tutorial ^^

More to come soon ;-)

10 October 2008, 11:31 AM
The eye looks really, REALLY good.

I'm so sorry for your backpain. I hope you feel better soon!

I hope you saved that palette, so you can use it again. Very nice colors.


10 October 2008, 05:06 PM
Ehy! Thank you for the comment!
The time I can spend on the pc, I make little study paintings on details, like this one.
The time I can hand draw, is still mum life drawing and the others things i was drawing before.
The back is a real bad kitty in these days ^^ I have an old pain in the lower, that really seems to love me and doesn't want to pass.
And now, too much tension and anxiety, with the changing of the weather, brought me my back-shoulder-neck-head pain.
Drawing is hard in these conditions, slow and not precise.
But if I keep resting frequently, I can still draw something. updates soon :))
* The good thing is that I had some improvements with my panic attacks, today I had a 20 minutes walk outside in the fog and it was amazing :))

10 October 2008, 05:17 PM
Walking in the fog is WONDERFUL, except clammy and damp...

The mind can quiet, the imagination can soar, you can simply listen to your breathing, and quiet your mind.

Have you tried breathing exercises? They are best thing for stress of ANY kind, from panic attacks to childbirth. Really. If you are focused enough on certain breathing patterns, your body literally becomes too busy to focus on anything else.


10 October 2008, 05:41 PM
yes, one of the basics in this new therapy I'm following, is to seems strange for a "normal" person, but I was breathing bad ^^
Now when panic comes I have to breath counting until 3. No more complex exercises, and I never found any other breath tecnique, so I'm quite Noob!

10 October 2008, 07:14 PM
Good breathing exercises can calm the mind and slow the heart.
By focusing intently on your breathing with specific patterns, you can actually deflect the acknowledgement of some pain (ask any woman who's ever taken a LaMaze birthing class!).

The calming breath is from yoga. You SLOWLY inhale to a count of 5, inhaling as deeply as you possibly can at '5'. Your lungs are FULL of oxygen, which your body needs. You hold your breath for a count of 3, and then SLOWLY exhale, again to a count of 5, making sure to push every last bit of air OUT of your lungs by the end of '5'...

If you can do it while raising your arms over your head while inhaling, and lowering them while exhaling, you will double the effects of the oxygen, as lifting the arms will allow the lungs to expand more efficiently...

And most importantly, you have to tell yourself, and believe, that there truly, HONESTLY, is NOTHING on the planet to get that wrought up over. Human beings are remarkably relsilient and tough creatures. We have survived thousands of years, even though we don't have big, sharp teeth or claws, we don't run all that fast, and we don't have much in the way of thick hides or armor plated skin...IF, just IF a truly threatening situation occurred in your life, you SHOULD, by all your genetics and history, be able to get through it, by fight or flight. Panic attacks help you with neither. They merely render you helpless and weak...I know it is a hard thing to believe that you are stronger and tougher than YOU think you know you are, but truly. People on this planet have crossed great distances, suffered unimaginable horrors and abuses, and lived to tell the tale. They are not special. They are just like you and I. The only difference is that of MENTAL FORTITUDE.

You are only as Happy as you ALLOW yourself to be.
Fear IS the mind killer.

Once you accept those two premises, and then decide to simply not be that weak, you've conquered half the battle. Then it is merely a matter of TRAINING your body to stop reacting in a way that does not help you in any situation. If you pretend you're not in a panic, who will know? Hopefully no one. And after awhile, like any training (including ART, which you have not updated in 3 days!), it will become easier as it becomes more of a habit. And then one day, you don't have to pretend. You simply ARE stronger and calmer, and you don't let trivial events upset you.

Now, this can take years. But all good things are worth working for, no?
So take a deep breath, know that you are fine, just as you are, the world is still turning, just as it does, and Life in general is GOOD.

Now, go draw Mum and start the new month off right!


11 November 2008, 03:55 PM
Lol Cybr, don't spank my poor cute bottom for the lack in updates!
I am drawing, but I have no way to post it (no scanner, and photocamera dead)...
By the way, here a fast update (borrowed camera and low quality, but I hope it's ok^^)
eye studies from magazines photoreferences
Beach Fae
And a demoness...i'd like to paint this two, when I will "see" the right colours :p

And last one: the result of the last 2 days of digital painting:

I tried to use Painter for the first time.
I really like the way the drape came out, for colours and texture.
There's still something wrong with her face and hair, and honestly I don't know if i will manage to finish it right now or to pass to another piece.
The concept was "ThePremonition" and I think I suggested that mood.
Maybe I could make a better face in photoshop, or maybe i need to start it again, or maybe...I don't know!! lol
But again, happy for the colours and the rendering of the hand ( the fruit of the studies finally is starting to appear!)

About real life drawing, I must wait for a better camera; I use to sketch in really little size, and with low low quality my sketches becomes horrible ^_^
I continue to draw and will post it all in a row.

About panic attacks...yes, working on it.
I felt into a wonderful book, "The Secret"..It talks about the power of thoughts, and how they can change our life. It's a thing one knows, or at least I already knew it, but I wasn't able to understand HOW important it could be since now. It's something like...the right words in the right moment.
I had a surprising week...It started feeling bad and sad and desperate, then it get better, and now...amazing! I was able to go out with mum and boyfriend and eat an ice cream on saturday night, and believe me, after 4 years of reclusion, that insignificant ice cream has been great and surprising and with a special taste ;-)
I'm still scared, and everything still seems spooky, but you are right...the world is still running and everything is good :D
I'm surprising myself to go out for my daily panic-training and stare at colours of things.
It's like having been observing just photos since now.
Nature has amazing colours, and LIFE colours. Somethimes eyes hurt looking at the vivid green and orange of a tree. And fog is so full and soft and real...I'm in love for everything I see, and I think this is the result of both my trainings, the panic and the drawing one :p

Ok for today the psicoloogical diary is written! LOL

Soon updates and hope mum's sketches post!

11 November 2008, 09:22 PM
Hi, :)

yeah, you are right, that the better is working with a positive emotions, everything is coming a little 'easier'. :)

And, hehe, yes it's really frustrating while looking at the skill of our art idols, and ourselves... Especially when you have such talented influences, for example my main inspiration is coming from Kevin Llewellyn, Kent Williams, Jean Sebastian Rossbach aka'Living Rope, from the modern... :)

Oh by the way I see in Your earlier posts, that when you are sad you are listening to melancholic songs, then... It isn't easy to be positive :D, I'm listening mainly to a sad, melancholic songs, but I really love this, this is the best description, what I have inside me, my emotions, and it's very inspiring for art making.
Now I'm starting to work on my selfportrait but with the whole body, where I'm acting Endymion ( crying to and huggin' legs of Hypnos ( This is, how big is an influence of a music for me. :) BTW I'm really fascinated in mythology especially greek, it's so erotic and inspiring.

Oh and music that describing me, best is a songs like a "My sweet prince" by Placebo this is music that I have in mind mainly...

11 November 2008, 09:41 PM
Good for you!

You SOUND better! Your art LOOKS better. I am SO GLAD that the breathing and simply relaxing and recognizing the world around is working.

I'm glad you enjoyed the Ice cream. What a wonderful thing to share with those you love!

The eyes look good. The painting looks intense. Keep at it.
Look forward to the new Mum drawings!


11 November 2008, 11:58 PM
Thank you both for stopping here and having a look :)

Cybr, mum send a "hello+hug" to you :p

About feelings and's strange; I have a strange relation with it.
It's something like...when I'm bad the ideas starts to bling in my mind, but just when I feel better I'm really able to put them on a canvas in the right way.
And about "feeling good", I think that everyone has its special, good mood.
I'm a melancholic person, I love rainy days and fog...and i feel really good, really "in my mood" in those days, for example.. My mother starts being nervous and depressed with that weather...both of us are right, it's just a personal feeling. love sad music? That's great and nothing wrong with it, as long as it makes you feel good, right, in your own skin :p

A fast nighty scrap...I placed a mirror on my desktop and tried to sketch my face.
This is the line version:

And this is a try with colours in painter (not so satisfied of it :( )

11 November 2008, 12:46 AM
Painter is one of those applications that can take years to master, so do not be discouraged at first. Like any skill, the more you use it, the better you get. For now, play with the different tools to see which ones you like.

Your linework rules!

Lovely little self-portrait. I enjoy your drawings so much, to me, if you never learn color, that would not be a bad thing...


11 November 2008, 05:42 PM
Ok...this is the "project" I'm working on in these days.
It's absorbing all my time and energy and creativity.
Some things needs to be fixed, and some things makes me happy ^_^

The base concept is the Japanese cat-god Bishamon, god of war and joy; I love this contrast, the war that with its changing can bring happiness.
So I wanted a sensual goddess, with a light armor and a rich dress, announcing the start of the war but full of vivid colours.
I used Painter, watercolours and blenders.
I'm really satisfied of how the details in the stones are coming out, they are taking an insane amount of time, but they deserve it I think.
The other parts of the painting are still in a rough way; everything will be more detailed, and I'm planning to make that gown flow and feel "rich": I'm also thinking about a more vivid red, maybe in some lightened zones.
The main problem now is how to render the armor in a good metallic way, without loosing the details, and how to render the skin.
The main problem about the skin is that I know I have to use some of the background colours in order to make it feels real, but at the moment it always seems like a corpse-skin to me XD
I can't use layers, because this tecnique doesn't allow it.

Open to suggestions :p

(Diving inside my painting)

11 November 2008, 06:58 PM
As long as you are enjoying creating this, that is all that really matters.

If the technique is not allowing for layers, that is the artist's fault. The layers don't make themselves, it is up to YOU to click the "new Layer" button when you change painting directions...

Bishamon is not associated with cats in any way, as far as I know...
Read this ( If anything, Bishamon would be a pigeon warrior, not a cat warrior...entirely different animal association...Where did you get the idea he is associated with cats?

As for the image, my only real comment is "Anatomy..."


11 November 2008, 10:20 PM cats huh? T_T
Internet is a wonderful source of informations, when it's not a bunch of mistakes ^_^
Oh well I will change the name and make a personal goddess of her :p

About the tecnique, I really like it and i find comfortable with it ( or so it seems since now).
About anatomy...go, shoot...what's wrong? ^^
I see that the legs seems little compared to the body, but I think it's just a "rendering" problem due to the gown...and I think it should be resolved when the gown is finished.
But...before I continue with this "hardcore detailing"....better to try to fix mistakes ^_^

...waiting for help *sos*

11 November 2008, 04:18 AM
"What's wrong?"

Everything. The head is too small, the torso too long. The legs are too tiny, with the right one looking like it is not attached to her hip, and the strange looking left leg having no thigh at all, and looking like it is sprouting from the right leg, angled hard to the left, and with the strange boot reversed from the right one...Both feet are way too tiny, even for the tiny lower legs.

The claw arm is too long, and like the right leg, looks like it is not attached at the shoulder socket. The breasts are uneven and oddly shaped for the position of her arms. All the major joints, shoulder, knee, ankle, look lumpy and non-functional.

The skirt is way odd. Short by the hip, longer than her legs in front, blowing upwards in some strange fashion...

For all the hard effort you put into this, it is not a very good composition. There are just too many inconsistencies for the eye to enjoy this. The eye starts to notice the inconsistencies, and the more notice, the more confusion...


11 November 2008, 11:42 AM
hmmm... *sigh*
let's see if I can keep the background (I really like it) and start with a brand new figure ... at this point probably it's not useful to try to save this one...

11 November 2008, 11:52 AM
NOW do you see what I was saying about LAYERS???

Your background should be on a separate LAYER, so that you can save it, change it, or adjust it with NO concern as to anything else...

The ground should be a separate layer.
The woman should be a separate layer.
Her DRESS should be a separate layer...

It is like the old paper dolls children would once play with. Everything you put on the doll was a separate piece of paper. Once you understand layers and selections, you have mastered a good portion of Digital art. Everything after that is just adjusting selected areas on separate layers...

This is also another lesson for you in why you do not just "jump" into a painting that you will invest a LOT of time and effort into, without doing the proper preparation work of Compositional Skecthes...

Your technique is like going into the kitchen, throwing flour, eggs, butter, and milk into a pan, baking it, and then wondering why it is a not very good cake. If you don't take the time to properly break the eggs, measure the flour, and blend in the butter, you have a cake, but not the best of cakes ever made...

Following a plan, like following a recipe, just provides you with a better result for your efforts.

Don't get me wrong, painting can be very theraputic, and is a great time waster. It is just that if you spend hours on a piece, and then upload it for the public to view, your efforts will never be fully appreciated, if it appears that for all the time it took, you never took the SMALL bit of additional time to plan it out correctly from the start...

Not to mention all the ADDITIONAL time you then HAVE TO invest in the artwork to correct the big mistakes, or to start over if they are too great to overcome...That IS truly a waste of time, with nothing much to show for it...


11 November 2008, 02:56 PM
What's wrong with that cooking tecnique? (rofl)

I understand what you say...
about layers, I'm using a tecnique I find very very good for my style, I mean I can realize the paint stroke in the way I want, but it's not possible to do it with layers.
So, and here we arrive to your second comment, a compositional sketch it's needed...And I NEVER did one ^_^
I never did some sketches before starting a paint, sketches and paintings are like two separated worlds to me; I've not been trained on this, it's a lack in my workflow.
Well, luckily one can learn from mistakes :p
So, now I'm working on my painting to see if I can find a solution I like, and from now on I will play with compositional sketches too.
Another step in my learning! yay!! :)

11 November 2008, 03:08 PM
Here is the update; the concept has changed, I must say I'm happy I had to redo it, since this image fits more good the one I had in mind.
The colour of the dress will be more red/orange, but this is the basic composition...
As always, looking for comments :p

11 November 2008, 05:09 PM
Much better already.

Now, step back and look at it again. The only problem I see, are the angles...The dress and the base (reinforced with the mountains in the background) make some weird angle shape pointing to the spike on the RH edge...This would be okay, because the eye would then travel up to the clouds, which, uh-oh. The clouds also are pushing the eye off to the right...And her hair is reinforcing (echoing) the angle of the dress, dragging the eye back down...To top it off, even the girl is looking off to the right...I feel like a movie, when the camera shows everything looking off

Balance means more than just light and dark. There is directional balance, of how the eye is directed around and about a canvas. It's called Flow, for short, and is a principle of Design, rather than an element of Composition, but Composition and Design go hand in hand...

So you now have a decent comp rough layer. Now start a NEW layer on top of it, title it "seat," and adust her seat so she is not leaning so hard to the left. Perhaps make the seat a bit more like a comfortable chair...
Make another new layer, title it "dress," and start adjusting. Perhaps puddle the fabric around her, rather than whipping off in the wind...Paint at a reduced opacity, of 67-87%, except near the edges. Those should be 100%, so that the edges aren't blurry.


11 November 2008, 07:40 PM
Yes...this makes sense... I made it all in an intuitive way, and now reading at your worlds I see that I builted everything in the way it was needed.
I try to the right, in my ideas, there's the future, the thing incoming, what she's waiting for. So it's perfect if the whole painting gives you this idea of "movement".
I have to train in this thing, it's brand new to me; maybe I applied it already, but not in a volountary way ^_^

Btw, I'm really happy for the wrong version! I learned something new and this version is moooore better at my eye!
Thank you!! ^_^

(back to paint :p )

11 November 2008, 09:00 PM
Good for you!

It's all a long, connected journey.
Good that even if involuntary, you are able to express yourself.


11 November 2008, 01:37 AM
By the can I study composition? suggestions on tutorials/books?


11 November 2008, 04:50 PM
Here ( is a good general compilation of many of them.

It takes time. Years, most likely. But what else do you have to do with your life, except learn?


11 November 2008, 10:00 AM
Some new sketches....

Thank you :)

12 December 2008, 10:21 AM
Little update, 3 new paintings...

Thank you for looking ^_^

12 December 2008, 11:31 AM
Alice, dear...

These are lovely little nothings with bad anatomy (Just with the last three - the arms on the first one, the hands and feet on the second one, and the legs on the last one are visually not good), and the most expressionless, flat, plastic faces I have seen in awhile...All SIX of the last two updates honesly look like someone has smacked them in the face with a board when they were not looking. Even the one whose face is covered!

You have the talent. That has long been established. You do not have the training. That, too, has long been established.
You supposedly made this commitment to steady and regularly practice, and exercise, and work to improve your skills. You made a GOOD start.

You then lost interest after a couple of weeks, and went right back to your fantasy bad anatomy babes with the brain-dead, expressionless faces...Which, I might add, show no improvement, because you did not finish the studies and get to the anatomy part.

When you had questions, and wanted sources to study, I went and found them for you, to help encourage your desire to improve. But you could not be bothered to study and practice...

It's okay, Alice. We all have things we know we should do, but don't.
The thing is, sometimes, when you neglect doing what you should, there are consequences. While not a big thing, the consequence for this one, is that I will no longer be working with you on improving your skills.

Life is short. TOO short, and you should not waste it on people whose lives are not in need of your presence, and should double your efforts to effectively use it on those whose are. I have too many people who DO need help with improving their artistic abilities and DO put forth the serious effort. I must, in all fairness, put my energies where they are truly needed.

You seem quite content painting your fantasy girls with the bad anatomy and the blank faces. Enjoy them. Understand that there is little to no market to sell such works at your skill level, except for very small amounts, sold to friends and family, which is a very small market. Your skills will not improve by making the same mistakes over and over and over, no matter HOW many fantasy elf women you paint. I thought you understood this when we started this project a couple of months ago...You would have progressed SO much farther, had you simply stuck with the daily life drawings of your beautiful mom and handsome boyfriend. Or the postman, or any real human, as you would have gotten used to drawing accurate proportions...But that too, was your choice.

I wish you the best of success with your art, and with your Life. I do not see you becoming an artist at this time, except as a hobby. You simply do not have the drive and hunger you truly need to approach this as a fulfilling job or career, or are not presently in a place in time where you can devote the time and dedication to improving your skills past "hobbiest" level. There is NOTHING wrong with that. I just have to focus my attentions on others who do, so I wanted to leave you with this last bit of feedback...Enjoy your life. Enjoy drawing for fun. Love your mum.

With warm regards,

12 December 2008, 12:33 PM
I don't agree to what you are saying, not about the "tecnical side" (I mean, your critiques about bad anatomy and such are always a good teaching), but about my training.
I DO sketch again. I still make sketches from drawing books (Bridgman, Loomis and such) and I still make life drawing.
The problem is: I dont have a scanner, I had a photocamera but it's gone, and honestly I don't find comfortable to sketch with photoshop.
I know that you said that it's just a question of different tecniques, but I really can't manage proportions and such using the digital media.
Sketching is still pretty difficult for me, and you know it, using a pencil...I am stuck with Photoshop in this side.
So, waiting for the photocamera to be finally back, and to be able to post my sketches, I thought it was good to post at least some of my recent works in photoshop.
Not because I have stopped to exercise, but...LOL to give a sign of life.
I'm sorry you see this as a lack of study by my side, because I am still trying to learn.
And it makes me more sad to read that my anatomy learning is still that bad :-/

Well...if you don't want to follow my works anymore I can understand it.
You are right, life is short and you can't have energies for everything.

My photocamera will probably be repaired and ready for the end of the next week, so hopefully I will be able to post.
And I will do it.

Your guide has been a hard but great gift, so I just can thank you from the deep of my heart. I will be happy to hear from you somethimes, if it will happen to you to come here and have a look at my drawings; in any case, thank you for the time you dedicated to me, I know I have improved more in these last months that in the whole year, and for this I thank you.


12 December 2008, 12:32 PM
Finally my beloved photocamera is repaired!!!'s time to post my sketches :D

Let's start...



Reference for the two girls on the left:

From imagination:

A little funny manga-style caricature of myself ^_^:

From imagination:

( be continued.....)

12 December 2008, 12:37 PM
Steampunk reflections:

From imagination:

From imagination:

From imagination:

From imagination:

Photoreference used:

Photoreference used:

Photoreference used:

Life drawing:

I'm sorry for the bad quality of the images... one day I will have a scanner LOL

Thank you for looking :)

12 December 2008, 09:01 AM
Night play from imagination:

12 December 2008, 05:04 PM

Daily play ^_^ Thinking about skintones....

This time I have painted directly with colours in PS.
Next time I will try to paint in black/white, and then colour the piece.
It's still difficult for me to manage both light/shadows and colours, and maybe this different approach may help :)
Thank you for looking

12 December 2008, 05:44 PM
I loooove the forest scene you posted! Your lines are really clean, and the whole image just makes me wonder about the story behind that tree.

I also like the sketch of the seated woman, although her face looks off to me. I would love to see some expression in your drawings - I think that could really bring her to life. Great job on the fabric and folds though. They look yummy, haha.

I have to say your most recent submission doesn't really match up to your other sketches. Did you use reference for her? Again, since that drawing's all about her face, it could be cool to give her more of an expression.

12 December 2008, 06:03 PM
Sarah, thank you for commenting!
About the last piece, yes, it's a flat face and not so my intention it was just a plain wondering about skintones, so I din't focused on expressions or such.
I find that I never use good skintones, I usually go for too much pinkiesh ones; so I tried to paint just looking at the skin colour.
I used a reference pic I found on google, but without any intention to make it similar; the reference was for the colours.

I'm glad you liked my forest sketch... I'm not so good at backgrounds, and I know there's lot to learn...about depth and perspective. But I'm glad it gave you a little curiosity, it did a little of his work! :)

Thank you :)

12 December 2008, 10:04 PM
Oh, those figure drawings are really great, so neat and beautiful outlines >:)

12 December 2008, 09:20 AM
Thank you for your comment :)

03 March 2009, 11:53 AM
your last studies are great!! loved the figures from imagination! and pencils are a nightmare for me.. that forest scene is ace!!
aspetto i prossimi schizzi..continua cosi' complimenti!

03 March 2009, 11:54 PM
great progress alice! many more studies like in posts and 70 and 71 and as much stuff from life will make you take leaps very soon i'm sure. keep going :thumbsup:


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