View Full Version : The Showdown - character - datter

06 June 2003, 03:29 PM
Holding your spot seems to be the thing to do, so here we go. Updates as events warrant. ;)



Here's some background on where all this is going.

The 'Mini-Ninjas' will have a cartoony look and similar motion. Not exactly unrealistic exactly, but definitely exagerrated in the spirit of all action oriented cartoons in the genre.

The background of the story involves two men who, for various reasons, became Ninjas to fight evil and do good. During one of their hair-raising adventures they got miniaturized by a mad scientist (to something on the order of 4 to 5 inches tall). Despite this, they defeated the scientist in an epic battle... unfortunately they destroyed his miniaturization machine in the process... thus dooming themselves to live life as Mini-Ninjas.

Each blamed the other for this sad turn of events, and eventually one turned to evil... and the ongoing battle of the Mini-Ninjas began, ranging across varied locales such as kitchen counters, backyards and other suburban environments; all rendered far more dangerous to our fighting duo due to their small stature.

(Yes, I just made all that up as i went along so sue me)

The animation I'll create for the challenge will depict a piece of the final showdown cinematic, that would lead us into the game itself (since this is supposed to be game related). I picture 'Mini-Ninjas' as a third person fighting game, if that matters at all.

I'll post a more indepth story and lead in sometime soon... likely storyboards too.


06 June 2003, 05:32 PM
Just put up a quick sketch as I start the process of blocking out the action. Will post some info about the characters and background etc later today.


06 June 2003, 07:13 PM
Good luck,


06 June 2003, 10:41 PM
bring it! :twisted:

06 June 2003, 02:32 PM
Here's a very early test animation of one of my Mini-Ninjas. I spent an afternoon building him, early evening rigging him up etc and say 40min putting together this test. The sole purpose of it is to just see if this little guy is viable, and I think he is.

From here I'll make the second ninja and put together one of the scenes from the final work... spending a lot more than 40min on animating it. hehheh.


06 June 2003, 05:04 PM
other than some odd crinkling in the groin area he is looking great.


06 June 2003, 06:06 PM
Yes, crinkly groin.. my that sounds unpleasant. That's an easy fix. ;)


06 June 2003, 06:12 PM
this is a really good start,

i like it.

i also want to join, but firts some sketches and ideas...... still waiting to get into my head....

good work already.

greets niels

06 June 2003, 06:34 PM
Excellent start!

06 June 2003, 10:22 PM just can't go wrong with Ninja's

and to top it ninja's...can't wait to see them go at it...and when I say "go at it" I the death...

:bounce: It's GOOD! :bounce:

06 June 2003, 02:22 AM
Bored while waiting for a render...

Should have another animation test up shortly. :)


06 June 2003, 04:11 AM
Pose tests.. good guy in blue, bad guy in red...

(my server may be a bit slow, so have patience if they don't load up instantly)


06 June 2003, 04:13 AM
Here's a walk test of the bad guy... lots of poppin' in there so it needs work, but I'm getting a feel for these little guys.

walktest (


06 June 2003, 04:24 AM
Looking good. Quite a lot of expression for guys with masks on. I love it!! :scream:

06 June 2003, 06:16 AM
looking pretty good. The walk needs the feet to raise up a little more. he's kind of shuffling now.

Must see more mini ninjas!



06 June 2003, 09:47 AM
Nice idea, not really getting the 'mini' ninjas thing, at the moment they just look like regular sized ninjas, but I am sure your scene will solve that.
How on earth do you work so FAST!! You're gonna be able to submit about 15 animations if you carry on at this rate, don't you have a job to go to?:D

Excellent, good luck.

06 June 2003, 09:58 AM
datter I'm diggin the ninja's...I just checked out your walk cycle...and then it dawned on me. Ninja's never walk....if they have to move across a room...they either do really cool flips and jumps until they get to where they need...or if it's steal mode time...they shuffle, crouched and walk kinda sideways...

Oh man...just hit me...make them move like Chris Farley in Beverly Hills Ninja :thumbsup: keep up the good work man I'm really lovin the style


06 June 2003, 10:21 AM
Looking very cool Datter! :bounce:
I totally agree with Aken that walk looks a bit to cyclical, maybe he could enter the frame by quickly move to that street corner, sneak a look, when he feels its all clear, quickly turns the corner and carries on the walk..
just a thought.



06 June 2003, 10:51 AM
damn datter you're really trucking along! good stuff, digging the expressions. And I'm in agreement with the walk cycle here. Keep going man!


06 June 2003, 12:57 PM
Yeah still plugging away. I too agree on the walk thing, there's not really any point in the scene where they'll just saunter along. The next one I do will likely be more in keeping with the whole Mini-Ninja attitude. Someone mentioned they don't get the whol e whole "Mini" part of the Mini-Ninja experience... but they're right in that this will be more apparent in the final scene, and as I get more time to build the background.... I'm just focusing on testing the characters themselves out now.

Now, back to my day job... which happens to be 3d animation (etc), but nothing to do with Mini-Ninjas. More of them this evening. :)

Thanks for the comments all.


PS- oh and I work so fast because I usually have to, being self employed in this field with many deadlines. :)

06 June 2003, 04:57 PM

I love what you have going on here. Keep it up and I have to agree with Aken009 about how ninjas move about...but hey this is your thing...just keep doing whatcha doing.

06 June 2003, 08:45 PM
I'm going to keep an eye on this one. Looks good so far. If I can offer on bit of crit. Model wise, it looks like you don't have enough volume in his head. In this ( image you posted, the side view of his head seems a little off.

No big deal though, as this is an animation challenge. :)

Mike R

06 June 2003, 09:19 PM
hey datter, I was wondering what your models are...geo-wise...poly's with s smooth on it? or SubD's? Nurbs?
I'm just curious cuz I'm running a P3 600 and it's a little slow for SubD' kinda sucks...but you gotta work with what you got
:beer: I'm lookin forward to some updates

06 June 2003, 10:55 PM
Actually I usually use sub-d's and my system isn't much faster than yours (P3 800mhz, 768mbs ram). I tried various things before settling on this method, but nothing was really working that well for me. I never "got" nurbs somehow, or they just didn't agree with me at least.

Now having said that there's not much in the way of polys on these fellas really, sort of sub-d without the smoothing applied at the end hehheh.

Working on the big fight environment this evening, and future tests etc will use it once completed... so the "mini" part of Mini-Ninja will make more sense.

Thanks for all the comments thus far.

Vote datter! lol


06 June 2003, 01:27 AM
ok, I hacked together the beginnings of the fight environment from bits and pieces from other projects I've done, plus some odds and ends I had kicking around. (All untextured at this point, and they may remain that way... we'll see)

Yes, the battle will take place on a kitchen counter top. ;)

(ignore the nasty GI renders... thought I'd use a little FR for these, but didn't have the patience to wait for nice clean ones hehheh)

Next up, some fight choreography.


06 June 2003, 01:39 AM
Whoa! Thats so cool =) When I first saw your mini-ninjas I thought they'd be like 3 feet tall.. not 3 inches. Lookin good!

06 June 2003, 04:32 AM
I kind of like it stark white. Gives it kind of a minimalist feel to it. It will also make the ninja's pop out and be a more visiable against it.

Great Set BTW,


06 June 2003, 01:02 PM
You know, that's not a bad thought... I'll consider that. Thanks. :)


06 June 2003, 12:07 AM
Both guys in a few stills from an animation segment I'm tweaking. As earlier, ignore the nastiness of the quick GI renders... I doubt I'll be using it for the final work.

Animation segments coming soon.


06 June 2003, 12:21 AM
my gawd you work fast! awesome stuff so far. Love the dude with two blades getting dominated ;)


Yan Loong Wong
06 June 2003, 04:16 AM
can't wait to see them move and fight each other. I wonder if the cloth in the waist is enough to distinguish them from each other. I mean, maybe add a little more stuff, like a different color headband or sword? or maybe they can have different color outfit? Since they seem to be exactly the same model, that detail might get lost when they move around fast. But these are just my opinion, they look pretty good in those pics.

06 June 2003, 11:23 AM
U have got my vote
really nice stuff u have here keep going can't wait to see the animation? :thumbsup:

06 June 2003, 01:23 PM
:airguitar jaw drops

06 June 2003, 06:19 PM
I was hoping to get some animation up today but it looks like I'm spending my evening getting together a light saber battle scene for my son and his friends. Maybe tomorrow, or Monday at the latest.


06 June 2003, 02:07 PM
looking good! :thumbsup:

06 June 2003, 02:09 PM
whoops, doublepost, damn busy server error :D

06 June 2003, 09:23 AM
Ahhhh, definately getting the mini ninjas feel now, looking fantastic. Checking in regularly so keep posting these great updates.:applause:

06 June 2003, 04:20 AM
Mini Ninja's :buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock:

06 June 2003, 03:23 AM
Here's a *very* short clip... part of a fight sequence I imagine. I sort of made this up as I went along. Gotta finish those storyboards. ;)

Quicktime movie (


PS- Yes there is a bit of modeling weirdness in these low poly guys, but I suppose it's not about the modeling. :)

06 June 2003, 10:27 PM
looks like the good guy would just be slashed in half :O it's always good to see tests with sounds effects.

06 June 2003, 04:18 PM
Impressive - can't wait for next post!

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