View Full Version : Lady of the Horde

eliseu gouveia
10 October 2007, 01:42 AM

Long time no post! :)
Iīve decided to cook up another webcomic extravaganza, hope you like it.
For those of you familiar with Silversparrow and that crazy "make a comic in 24 hours" Airla story, this is more of the same "make-the-story-up-as-I-go" madness. Letīs hope my Muse takes me to not too horrible places.
Storyīs premise is losely based on a story I did way back in 96 called "Arcane Avatar", but thatīs where the similarities end.
Okay, enough yappig, buckle up yer seatbelts, cross your fingers and letīs go:

(21 march 2010)
My portfolio website went down, so I had to re-uploaded all the broken links.
Here is the story so far:

Chapter 1
Chapter 1

Chapter 2

Chapter 3

Chapter 4

The story continues on page 11 of this thread.

eliseu gouveia
10 October 2007, 01:56 AM

eliseu gouveia
10 October 2007, 05:52 AM

eliseu gouveia
10 October 2007, 05:33 AM

eliseu gouveia
10 October 2007, 05:04 AM

eliseu gouveia
10 October 2007, 07:30 AM

eliseu gouveia
10 October 2007, 05:09 AM
I think I finally know what direction I want to steer this thing. ^_^

eliseu gouveia
10 October 2007, 02:34 AM

eliseu gouveia
11 November 2007, 03:02 AM

eliseu gouveia
11 November 2007, 08:26 PM
Sorry for being away for so long, time to get back and see what Nadraīs been up to. :)

11 November 2007, 08:53 PM
Wow, Eliseu, spectacular work!! I'm really surprised you haven't received that many reponses thus far. I'm totally enthralled by the one page-tilted camera piece with all the monsters. The longer I look at it, the more creepy things I discover :) Wonderful work!

eliseu gouveia
11 November 2007, 11:14 PM
Hey, Daniel, thank you so much for your post and comments!

Iīm really glad you liked that splashpage, it was really fun creating those ghouls.

11 November 2007, 06:54 AM
awesome work...........

liked ur camera sense alot..great efforts i must say!

eliseu gouveia
11 November 2007, 12:12 AM
Hi, kanikasehgal,
thank you for your post, really glad youīre enjoying it. :)

eliseu gouveia
11 November 2007, 11:44 PM

eliseu gouveia
12 December 2007, 10:46 PM

12 December 2007, 09:49 PM
hah. it's like some crazy stream of conciousness dream. very cool.

eliseu gouveia
12 December 2007, 10:32 PM
Hey, Nethermind, thanks, glad you liked it.
Yeah, Lady of the Horde doesnīt really have a "masterplan", itīs just "where I feel like taking this story next, as long as itīs consistent with the previous page".

There are things/threads that I throw in the air (like the girl and the sword in the 2 first pages), in the hope that Iīll catch/use them later, but nothing is writen in stone.
heck, til Nadra entered the apartment, I was still planning to make her an undercover cop! :D
Noticed the panel borders? ;)

eliseu gouveia
12 December 2007, 12:39 AM
- Last wishes?

eliseu gouveia
12 December 2007, 10:47 PM
Busy-busy-busy these days, but I managed to scrape the bottom fo the barrel for some free time to cook this one up, hope you like it. :)

eliseu gouveia
12 December 2007, 03:46 AM

12 December 2007, 06:22 PM
Really nice! I really like the lineart-style. Would like to know if this all was painted digital and if so - what brush-settings you used.
Looking forward to see more...

eliseu gouveia
12 December 2007, 07:47 PM
Thanks, VISEone! This comic is 90% drawn and inked by hand.
My trusty Photoshop 5.5 comes later for the other 10% like adding grayscales and textures.

12 December 2007, 09:55 PM
I especially like the stripframes - really nice artwork!

eliseu gouveia
12 December 2007, 02:43 AM
Would you date a woman who sleeps with a dagger under her pillow? ^_^

eliseu gouveia
01 January 2008, 01:24 AM
Dial-up surfers, beware. ^_^

eliseu gouveia
01 January 2008, 11:55 PM
Insane week this was, but a new finished page I managed to cook, yes?

Swear to God I only noticed the ghoul cleaning his nose on Nadraīs coat when it was already done.^_^

eliseu gouveia
01 January 2008, 04:36 AM


eliseu gouveia
01 January 2008, 06:48 AM
Aaand we gots... a cover! ^_^

01 January 2008, 05:45 PM
briliand work eliseu!
I enjoyed the story intensly. Unbelieveble drawings, wicked!!

eliseu gouveia
01 January 2008, 03:25 AM
Thanks, Sarford, Iīm really glad you enjoyed it! :)

eliseu gouveia
02 February 2008, 02:00 AM
Anyone up for a chapter#2?

eliseu gouveia
02 February 2008, 05:57 PM

eliseu gouveia
02 February 2008, 11:56 PM

eliseu gouveia
02 February 2008, 06:21 AM

eliseu gouveia
03 March 2008, 07:50 PM

eliseu gouveia
03 March 2008, 12:01 AM
Oh, God...Exposition Alert!

03 March 2008, 04:35 PM
these all look great but I actually read every page and got more and more confused as I continued. Are these in any particular order or just samples?

eliseu gouveia
03 March 2008, 02:33 PM
Hey, ajay1589, thank you so much for your post.
Thank you as well for taking the time to read the story through, these pages are all posted in sucession.
Could you tell me which parts of the story stick out as confusing in particular?

Lady of the Horde is a work in progress, so if thereīs any number of pages that can be tweaked to make the story clearer, please let me know and Iīll gladly tow them back to the drydock for repairs. :)

03 March 2008, 09:23 PM
Hey there...really gorgeous art on really have a way with inking. Nice stuff. I was thinking these were just samples, too--it...doesn't really make sense. The part at the beginning, where she's homeless, has good linear narrative going on.

eliseu gouveia
03 March 2008, 09:53 PM
Thank you, BetterthanBunnies, I really appreciate your post.
Could you tell me what you found confusing about the story?
Was is the abrupt scenne transitions?
I really welcome any and all feedback that can help me improve the story and reading experience.

03 March 2008, 12:54 AM
Hi, thanks for being patient. It's been a crazy week! Hmmm...I think the abrupt scene transitions are part of it, but also the story jumps around a lot. I really liked the first part, where she's homeless, and I was hoping to find out why she was on the streets, and how it connected to her friend disappearing (in the first teaser.) That was involving. I became confused after she went into the apartment, and suddenly there were cops and monsters everywhere. The pictures were awesome! but I didn't know why all these things happened, it's never explained why. Each sequence seemed to become more disconnected, which was sad because the art is SO GOOD! I think the best thing that could be done is to develop the story before it's down on paper, so you know where you're headed with what the main character wants and how things tie together. It might take the crazy impulsiveness away from the story but I think it'll make the story whiter tighter brighter. These are just my thoughts of course so take it for what it's worth. I'm still geeking out over the art. Gorgeous stuff!

eliseu gouveia
03 March 2008, 09:36 PM
Hi, BetterthanBunnies,

I think I know what you mean, the story takes some turns that could leave the reader lost. I think Iīll have to go back and tweak a couple of them.
I think the main problem with Lady of the Horde is that I approached it with a "whodunnit" mentality, meaning that since the story wasnīt previously written and I was making it up as I went, I decided that the answers would come later.
Where does nadra gets her powers to turn nightmares into reality? It didnīt matter. Why is Pendargrave so inhumanly strong? Later.
Who/what is Narkissa? Wait and see.
The bad side of this approach is that it leaves the reader who wants answers at a loss....
Little by little, Iīve been trying to start closing loose ends but I think more will probably have to be done on the previous pages.
I thank you for your kind review and I do hope you continue to follow Nadraīs adventures.

Time to see what the girls are up to, in their new careers as freeloaders. :D

03 March 2008, 02:03 PM
Thanks, now I can't get that Fitzgerald song out of my head. :D
But the lyrics are a little different. Did you change it on purpose?
Promising work btw.!

eliseu gouveia
04 April 2008, 09:05 PM
Hey, Gods-Mistake (what a strange-strange username :) ), thanks!
Iīm glad you liked it. :)
You mean the opening nursery song, "A tisket, a tasket"?
I just found it in a website dedicated to childrenīs songs...

I kinda leaked that Sethos Pendargrave was partialy inspired in Prince Jareth (Labyrinth), so someone asked for either a scenne where he orders his henchmen to "Bring me the Disco King" or one where he puts his finger on Lady Radamantīs lips and says "Oh, baby, you just shut your mouth".

I chose the 2nd one and made a compromise :D

No, Nadra was NOT in a bathtub with Sethos, that would just be way too icky.

eliseu gouveia
04 April 2008, 11:58 PM

From now on, everytime you see either Nadra wearing extra large clothes, just assume that she borrowed them. :D

eliseu gouveia
04 April 2008, 12:28 AM
Weīve already seen at the beginning of the comic what sort of games Nadra was into.

I had to go back and forth a bit trying to decide what types of games Narkissa would like to play. :D

04 April 2008, 09:21 AM
Wow, Man! Your trace and shading are stunning...

eliseu gouveia
04 April 2008, 06:24 PM
Thanks, Moonshake! :)

eliseu gouveia
04 April 2008, 04:26 AM

04 April 2008, 05:56 AM
wow! great work!!

eliseu gouveia
04 April 2008, 12:55 PM
Thanks, Kravenous! :)

04 April 2008, 03:53 PM
Always a joy to see new pages eliseu! Keep em comming :D

eliseu gouveia
05 May 2008, 03:55 PM
Hey, Sarford, thank! :)

sorry I had to take a couple days off but I got kidnapped by deadlines and tied to a drawing board all week.

You like my gargoyles? ^_^

05 May 2008, 02:25 AM
Do these illustrations ever get coloured? Or is that someone else's responsibility?

eliseu gouveia
05 May 2008, 05:37 AM
No colour, these are all B/W.

Considering all the grayscales Iīm using, itīd be a nightmare for a colorist to go over them. :)

eliseu gouveia
05 May 2008, 09:19 PM

What, you didnīreally think I was gonna kil the guy, did you?
And deprive Nadra of her newest toy? ^_^

05 May 2008, 11:51 AM
Hi eliseu

Very good work.
I really like your lineart.
You should take this to an editorial and print it.
Keep it up

eliseu gouveia
05 May 2008, 07:09 PM
Hi, Iban,

thank you so much for your post!
Iīm glad you liked it, I donīt have publishing plans for Lady of the Horde, itīs mostly just me drawing for fun to relax at teh end of the day (what can I say, I LOVE telling stories ^_^).

Avatar3d over at 3D total asked if I could throw some drunken monks in, so... voilá!
Well, not exactly drunk, but hey, itīs an altered state of mind, so it still counts, right? Right?
In case you were curious, here (īs what the hooded guy was singing.

Let it never be said that Nadra doesnīt have a sense of humour. ^_^

05 May 2008, 07:57 PM
i wish i knew how to fill in blacks correctly :/ ( thats just a beast within itself) i dont even want to try it cause im affraid too. :/ might go over something in black and there its ruined...

Helpful advice on how would be nice though... lol

Your stuff is pretty neat i give it that! i have to applaud you on your excellence in organization and concept as well as filling in :D

eliseu gouveia
05 May 2008, 05:27 AM
Thank you for your post, JGott, Iīm glad you liked it.

How to spot blacks.... I have to say I have no idea how I do it myself. I just look at a piece and try to ink it in a way that feels balanced/right to me.

I try to stay true to the light sources and the way they bounce off objects and bodies, trying to keep elements from vanishing or getting too much crammed but part of it is me playing by ear....

05 May 2008, 04:11 PM
Amazing job! You know for sure how to use the cinematography language to tell the story! Totally impressed! :applause:

Just curious about how much time you spend per page usually?

eliseu gouveia
05 May 2008, 11:26 PM
Hey, Donglu-LittleFish, thanks!

itīs hard to quantify, I draw Lady of the Horde on my spare time (precious time that I should be devoting to my videogamming! :D ) , which varies a lot depending on what deadlines are chasing me that week.
I draw for about half an hour to an hour at the end of the day and some pages take a bit longer than ithers.

Some I have to hammer at them from wednesday to wednesday, others I start working on friday and theyīre done monday night (yes, page#2-01, Iīm looking at you! ^_^ ).

I think each page must take me 7-8 hours tops, more than that and theyīd start messing with my actual rent-paying work. ^_^

05 May 2008, 06:15 PM
Hi, thanks for the answers!
Really love your style, keep it up! :)

05 May 2008, 03:38 PM
thanks for the reply to my previous question :D,
I have another one to throw out at yah :D

How do you organize the scenes per page?
for example getting the right borders and such.

Do you pre draw it out on your paper with thumbnail sketches with planning?

In other words what is your process ? i am really interested on how sequential art starts out and ends up with the final product in this case comic :D

eliseu gouveia
05 May 2008, 03:00 AM
Thanks, Donglu-LittleFish! Will do! :)

Thank you as well, JGott, I did a tutorial ( a while ago, check it out and let me know if you find any of it usful.

05 May 2008, 04:17 PM
Wow! This is really great, beautiful art and and interesting story. I really look forward to seeing more of the 'mythos' explored as I find what I've seen sofar very fascinating. Again, superb work!

eliseu gouveia
05 May 2008, 05:13 PM
Hi, BitsandBytes, and welcome to my Lady of the Horde thread, Iīm really glad youīve liked both the art and the story, not many people usualy take the time to read it through, so Iīm really excited that youīve enjoyed it. :)

Okay, now hereīs the problem...
I have NO idea of how Sethos is gonna make out of this one alive (which he does), given that Narkissa made paté with his (slightly more robust) brother Aeron with her hands behind her back... :p

eliseu gouveia
06 June 2008, 04:02 PM

So, notice anything familiar about this scenne?

A cookie to the first person who recognises that symbol. ^_^

eliseu gouveia
06 June 2008, 02:57 PM
This story is getting too wordy.
I believe itīs time we introduce some violence into these proceedings. ^_^

eliseu gouveia
06 June 2008, 06:11 AM

What, what?
Did you honestly think Sethos would stand a chance against Narkissa?
Shame on you! ^_^

eliseu gouveia
06 June 2008, 10:45 PM

eliseu gouveia
07 July 2008, 12:28 AM

Puppy Poppy is now officialy my favorite of Nadraīs creations . :p

eliseu gouveia
07 July 2008, 10:33 PM

One day, one of them Pendargrave boys are gonna have to tell me what is their beef with wearing shirts. ^_^

eliseu gouveia
07 July 2008, 09:31 PM

I can hear you folks collectively calling me "- Chicken!" for dialing down on the gore factor... :p

eliseu gouveia
07 July 2008, 07:10 AM
Man, itīs been AGES since I last drew a certain lady slash cult leader with a talent for sharp objects... where is she, I miss her!

My favorite detail on this page?
Check the face of the fairies on the 3rd panel. ^_^

07 July 2008, 03:39 PM
Great work, i love all your inked panels, great story telling whoa! From the first page i was getting into the story. Do you know who Bernie Wrightson is? Your work reminds me of him, he was one of the best horror comic artists around. Anyway great stuff i'm looking foward to more.

eliseu gouveia
07 July 2008, 02:55 PM
Hi, Rabid 1, thank you so much for your post and comment, Iīm glad youīve liked it.

And now weīve come to the part Iīve been really looking forward to:

Nadra prancing around in her new dress.

What, what, you thought I was gonna say:

"Nadra facing the full brunt of the Pendargrave Pride?"

Shame on you. ^_^

eliseu gouveia
07 July 2008, 02:00 PM
Okay, time to get chapter 3 started. :)

Can you guess which panel was totaly stolen from the "My Girl" movie? ^_^
(yes, I too was dragged to go see it...)

Someone read one Michael Strogoff story too many, growing up. ^_^

eliseu gouveia
07 July 2008, 04:44 PM

Him again...
What, you didnīt think I was gonna forget the very first person Nadra saved at the beginning of this story, did you? ^_^

Too bad I have NO idea of what Iīm gonna do with him.
Any ideas?

eliseu gouveia
08 August 2008, 01:59 PM

Alx over at Silent Hill Forums asked for girls kissing (other girls).
I wonder if this is what he had in mind... ^_^

eliseu gouveia
08 August 2008, 06:09 PM

Itīs always the little people that pays the bill.

eliseu gouveia
09 September 2008, 08:16 PM

There is no such thing as too many bugs. ^_^

09 September 2008, 07:53 PM
Really don't know what to say, I'm allways stunned by the quality of every picture you
post. I mean, everything is drawn so great, full of details but still very dynamic. It's a pleasure to look at such cool comic strips.

eliseu gouveia
09 September 2008, 06:20 PM
Thank you for your kind words, Vyse-Soa, I really appreciate it.
Sorry I havenīt posted more often, but hey, that means Iīve been busy with other gigs which for a freelancer is always a good sign, right? ^_^

Iīve been itching for the chance to to backhand slap someone since I started this webcomic!
Guess Tactical 7 picked the short straw. ^_^

09 September 2008, 02:46 PM
Wow in love!.Great balance between your white and blacks!Great work!!!

eliseu gouveia
09 September 2008, 09:39 AM
Hey, OKMER, thank you so much for your post, Iīm really glad youīve checked and liked my webcomic! :)

eliseu gouveia
10 October 2008, 03:57 PM
You guys wanna know a secret?

That pannel with the guys in the control room in the previous page?
I had it stashed in my hardrive for almost a year, never got to use it til just now.
When I started this story, I was gonna make Nadra an undercover cop.
The guys in that pannel were her support team. ^_^

Now you know where they had that metaphor thing stashed all this time. ^_^

Iīm getting kinda tired of drawing Narkissa wearing Aeronīs clothes, though.
Theyīre like four times her size.

eliseu gouveia
10 October 2008, 09:54 PM

I told you guys I was gonna get her off those clothes, dinnae? ^_^

eliseu gouveia
10 October 2008, 04:57 AM
Nessa and Nazirah have finally jumped into the fray, time to start breaking the dishes.

10 October 2008, 07:57 AM
Hey very nice stuff man :)


eliseu gouveia
10 October 2008, 11:52 PM
Hey, Phoenix, thanks! :)

Nadra is having all the fun this chapter. I think itīs time we let Aeron join the festivities.

11 November 2008, 06:02 PM

Love your style and how you play around with different layouts. Damn it looks good everything. How long do you use to make a page like these? It looks so intense!

I like the dark stuff with less texture the most- but everything is awsome. Very good!

eliseu gouveia
11 November 2008, 09:02 PM
Hi, Aghill!

Thank you so much for your post, Iīm gald you īr eenjoying my Lady of the Horde pages, I only draw it in my spare time, so itīs kinda hard to quantify.

If I were to draw this comic full-time, I think a page like this would eat away 8-10 hours of my day, from pencils to final inks and Photoshop pos-production (grayscales and stuff).
It oscilates a lot....

Ever wonder why the one echo Nadra picked from our good Lady Radamant was a colossal image of her mother?
Now you know why. ^_^

eliseu gouveia
11 November 2008, 12:52 AM

Aaahh, brotherly love.... isnīt it just lovely? ^_^

eliseu gouveia
11 November 2008, 08:09 PM
Iīm on a holding pattern waiting for my greenlight to start inking the Project Elohim#6 comicbook, so I decided to spend the afternoon horsing around with my pencils. :p

Some of you may have caught a brief glimpse of her in my 1996-1998 comic Immortal Tristara, meet Plant Girl Lemaphiris.

Hope you like her. :)

eliseu gouveia
11 November 2008, 11:34 PM

There goes Nadraīs main hitter. ^_^

Whoīs left... Puppy Poppy?

11 November 2008, 12:42 PM
HOLY WOWZERS! Very beautiful work Eliseu! I really enjoyed looking through your work (I'll have to set some time aside to read the entire run). Your character designs are fabulous. It's a pleasure to stare at your illustrations.

For some reason your work reminds me a little of "Paul Pelletier's (" work in CrossGen's Negation ( I also enjoyed your "Making a Comic" tutorial. Keep it up!

eliseu gouveia
12 December 2008, 07:33 PM
Heya, FrenziedMind, thank you so much for your post and for the links, you stirred my interest again in Crossgen, too bad they went down when they had so many fascinating titles that deserved so much better....

"- What are you doing to my city?" ^_^

eliseu gouveia
12 December 2008, 12:48 AM

Have I mentioned yet how much I enjoy putting Aeron through hell? ^_^

12 December 2008, 03:35 PM
I have just discovered this thread, and I am an instant fan. Remarkable!!!
five stars

eliseu gouveia
12 December 2008, 06:42 PM
Hey, Gord MacDonald, thank you so much for your post and comments, Iīm glad you liked my pages and I hope you continue to enjoy them. :)

I really need to start making lists of these things, is there anyone in this story who hasnīt beaten Aeron yet? ^_^

Lady Radamantīs remark in the last panel ties to a tradition in ancient times of burying the dead with a coin over their eyes to pay for the ferry ride across the river Styx.

12 December 2008, 02:37 PM
One year of pause of visiting cgsociety and I missed you new spare-time masterpiece, so I had the pleasure of reading it all in one go and it was fantastic!

you rock.

eliseu gouveia
01 January 2009, 11:25 PM
Hey, Mu,

thank you for your post, Iīm really glad youīve enjoyed my pages so far.
Youīve joined the party in just the right time, exposition time is over, so no more talking, itīs nothing but buttkickery from here on out.

So long, Dude in Distress#1.
After all the trouble Nadra went through to save his sorry derričre...
Oh, well...

eliseu gouveia
01 January 2009, 05:41 PM

- At last we meet again,. Ms. Bond! ^_^

Buster Kegan is taking forever to rise from the dead, though... get up already, you lazy git!

01 January 2009, 06:10 PM
I remembered there was something I wanted to ask you:

Do you ever use google sketchup for perspective sketches?

eliseu gouveia
01 January 2009, 06:36 PM
Hey, Mu,

Iīve never used that app, I only heard about it recently...

eliseu gouveia
01 January 2009, 10:13 AM

No, she didnīt get Simonīs name wrong. ;)

eliseu gouveia
01 January 2009, 01:16 AM

Now would be a good time for some last words. ^_^

eliseu gouveia
02 February 2009, 11:33 PM
What a week. First my site was down, then itīs up...

Oh, well, time to wrap up this chapter:

One more page to go and Iīm taking suggestions on what bad@$$ Narkissa will look like.

No, really... at this stage, I have NO idea. ^_^

eliseu gouveia
02 February 2009, 11:33 PM

Next: Donīt bother picking dance partners, thereīs gonna be enough whup@§§ in that can for everyone. ^_^

eliseu gouveia
02 February 2009, 03:31 PM
So.. anyone up for a chapter#4?

The openiong 2-3 pages were going to have Aeron cursing left and right. I wanted to make him exhaust his four-letter words vocabulary. "- Die, you %$&!" would be the only inteligible thing coming out of his mouth.
But I figured it wouldnīt be half as fun using "$%&" instead of the actual foul language, :D

Nope, thereīs absolutely nothing wrong with her speech pattern, itīs just your imagination. ^_^

02 February 2009, 05:51 PM
So.. anyone up for a chapter#4?One right here!

eliseu gouveia
02 February 2009, 11:43 PM
Thanks, Frenziedmind! :)

Hope you brought an umbrella for the blood splatter. ^_^

The one thing I particularly like about Aeron is his uncanny propensity to pick up fights above his weight class.

Itīs a gift. :D

02 February 2009, 03:12 PM
eliseu - Great work as usual, it grabs you from the first panel and immediately takes you on a ride. Your characters are so dynamic and fluid, thanks for sharing this with us!

eliseu gouveia
03 March 2009, 11:42 PM
No, Iīm the one who thanks you, Rabid1, for checking my stuff.
i really appreciate it. :)

Not even a "thank you" to the girl who just saved your hide?
These Pendargrave boys are the worst. ^_^

eliseu gouveia
03 March 2009, 01:56 AM

Do you think maybe I should advise Simon to duck? ^_^

eliseu gouveia
04 April 2009, 09:12 PM

eliseu gouveia
04 April 2009, 08:50 PM
So... whoīs up for some girl-on-girl violence?

eliseu gouveia
05 May 2009, 06:53 PM

eliseu gouveia
05 May 2009, 12:29 AM

Them Pendargrave boys choose the strangest moments to solve their brotherly issues.

05 May 2009, 02:16 AM
Hey! Still following this! Its very cool. Love the violent direction your going! :thumbsup:

Keep it up!

eliseu gouveia
05 May 2009, 08:37 PM
Thank you, Aghill!
So, you want more violence? :D
No worries, the funīs barely even begun. :D

eliseu gouveia
05 May 2009, 07:09 AM
"- Follow the rabbit."

eliseu gouveia
05 May 2009, 02:26 PM
Not the first ( or even second ( time someone circumvents Aeronīs invulnerability. :)

Iīve been itching to draw this scenne for a long time. I figure itīd finally give a glimpse of how the Pendargravesīamazing damage soak works.

eliseu gouveia
06 June 2009, 06:39 AM

06 June 2009, 02:24 PM
Probably one of the hardest things to work out that I've ever read, and I have a talent for figuring stuff out. But I gotta admit I found it greatly enjoyable. Excellently drawn and had a number of moments of pure awesome.

I will say though, see if you can work on the madness a bit more next time. Not just bringing in strange references, but twist everything. Some of the most frightening or twisted stuff I've ever seen or read was when things just went so out of whack that there was almost no connection to reality. The product of maddened genius.

I dunno how to convey it. The talking wasn't mad enough sometimes for the themes.

Otherwise, very nice artwork there. :thumbsup:

eliseu gouveia
06 June 2009, 02:52 PM
Hi, Draigr,

thank you so much for your post and comments, I really appreciate it.

I donīt know if I agree on your angle about madness, though.
I found that sometimes, bending reality just slightly is more frightening than twisting it completely.
For me, the fear works better when I have a point of reference with reality.
Best horror scennes happen in familiar places; your room, your kitchen.
Going completely out of whack may lead me to lose the connection to reality, turning everything too ambiguous.

06 June 2009, 06:48 AM
Oh, what I was talking about was the speech. Everything else is really good. It's just the speech seemed to me to be one step away from me shouting "Awesome! I'm quoting that!"

I'll give an example from the only piece of appropriate writing I have here, which is from Dan Simmons' 'Illium'. A great book, you should read it some time. This is some dialogue from my favourite villain in the book. A certain creature called Caliban:

While taunting from the darkness, though he is never seen:
'"'Saith, " hissed Caliban..." He may like, perchance, what profits Him. Ay, himself loves what does him good; but why? Gets no good otherwise."'

The very first words he says to them (The characters), he does the chair swivel act and says this:

'"Thou thoughtest that I was altogether such a one as thyself,"... "Thou thoughtest wrong."'

Now to the really maddening bits, while he is in conversation with them as his prisoners:
'Caliban, sprawled close enough above their stone columns that his breath washed over them, redolent with the same decay as the air itself, hissed, "He creeps down to touch and tickle hair and beard. And now a flower drops with a bee inside, and now a fruit to snap at, catch, and crunch."'

'"He talks to his own self, howe'er he please, touching that other, whom his dam called God. Because to talk about Him, vexes - ha, could he but know! And time to vex is now."'

When questioned about who 'He' was:

'"He is He,"..."except when He is Setebos!"'

And this is a really clever bit:

'"Thinketh, Sycorax, my mother made me, mortal morsel. Thinketh, Prospero, the silent servant of the Quiet, made Himself servant to the servant. Thinketh, though, that Setebos, the many-handed as a cuttlefish, who, making Himself feared through what He does, looks up, first, and percieves he cannot soar to what is quiet and happy in life, but makes this baubleworld to ape yon real. These good things to match those as hips do grapes."'

This is not directly related, but it's a good example of some very clever speech that is as maddening to read as it is maddened. This sort of involuted reasoning and tricky wordwork that keeps offering multiple meanings till one uncovers it truly is something that would benefit this comic greatly if you took it to its fullest extent.

Keep it up though!

eliseu gouveia
06 June 2009, 11:06 PM
Oh, my God!
Draigr, that was insanely cool, thank you so much for sharing it!
Wish you had shown me that at the beginning of this story, Iīd absolutely love to pull one of those and have a character talk like that... although my english is my 2nd language and Iīm not confortable playing with variations other than "common". :)
But youīve given me food for thought...

- Itīs raining women! :D

Thatīs the 2nd time I flash the Pendargrave Pride crest... and the 2nd time I look at it and go.... "- Z, you can do better than that..."

eliseu gouveia
06 June 2009, 05:48 AM

I can hear you guys switching on your flamethrowers from here, preparing to roast me:
"- You turned Nadra into Mary Sue!" :D

Well... fear not, true believer.
Sheīs not Mary Sue.
Sheīs Ms. MXYPTLK. :p

06 June 2009, 04:16 AM
Yay! Mary Sue!

Really, I don't care, I make the odd Mary Sue in my writings just for the fun of coming up with something even more powerful in the villian. It's more epic that way.

Great stuff!

eliseu gouveia
07 July 2009, 07:13 PM
Thanks, Draigr.
And sorry for being away for these last couple weeks with no updates, but freelance life is like that sometimes, long periods of quietness and suddenly, all-out chaos.

eliseu gouveia
07 July 2009, 05:09 PM

Iīm beginning to suspect I wonīt be able to wrap this in 24 pages.... :(

07 July 2009, 05:28 AM
Hey! What happened to all your pictures!? I can't see them. I back checked too, they're all gone except for the attachments! Did the image hoster die?

eliseu gouveia
07 July 2009, 08:55 PM
Hey, Draigr,

Iīm terribly sorry about that, apparently I ran into some hosting problems with my portfolio website where I usually upload these.

The images are up now, but just in case, Iīm gonna hunt down another place to store my art.

07 July 2009, 05:19 AM
Nice continuation! I have to admit, I look forward to each new page of this comic. It's one of the few that is worth the wait. :thumbsup:

eliseu gouveia
08 August 2009, 01:19 AM
Thank you, Draigr, that is pretty much the best thing Iīve heard all day. :)
Sorry for being away for so long with no uploads, crazy deadlines over here.
Storyīs wrapping up and weīre pretty much in the climactic part so it should go a bit faster now.

How about those Kirby dots in the first pannel? :D
Suddenly, Iīm feeling really sorry for Sethos...

- Fly, girl, fly!

eliseu gouveia
08 August 2009, 11:18 PM

Bowdicca better be really good with that bow and arrow thing. :p

eliseu gouveia
08 August 2009, 01:07 AM

"- Sīmatter, McFly? Chicken?!" ^_^
About time I drew the rest of the Covenant heads (and no, thatīs not Taboo from the BEP :D ).

08 August 2009, 05:46 AM
Wayhey!!! Awesome stuff! Loving every slide! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

eliseu gouveia
08 August 2009, 06:54 PM
Hey, Draigr, thanks, Iīm really glad you liked it. :)

Robin Hood has nothing on my girl Bowdicca. ^_^

09 September 2009, 03:32 AM
Heh. Nukes, typical. I'm interested to find out what happens next though.

I bet you're looking more for crits then slavish shows of praise. That's where I find myself speechless, I really don't have anything to say except for a few things:

- Firstly, with so many scene transitions, it is still quite difficult to keep up with the action, and with so many close ups we cannot ever gain any sense of space or placing. So it stays as a confusing amalgamation of actions sequences that have no particular reference point.

I'd advise that you do some zoom out shots to give us an idea of where people are and have less happen in each page. Draw things out just a tad and don't rush the ending. It helps an aweful lot if your readers can actually keep up with you.

- And secondly, why aren't you doing a webcomic or something and making money out of this? Seriously? This is very high quality work and wouldn't look out of place in any comic or graphic novel publication. If you haven't already dealt with that, I'd suggest you get yourself out there because you really need to have some kind of exposure. I've seen your main site so I understand that you have quite a lot to show for yourself. But why don't you step even further. Your site can become its own hub for fans with a forum and you can set up merchandise based on your publications which is nice extra income on the side.

You'd be surprised at what you could turn Etherlair into, trust me. The internet moves fast, and you really only need to start something, put effort into it in the beginning, then watch it roll.

Anways, great stuff! Keep it up!

eliseu gouveia
09 September 2009, 11:39 PM
Hi, Draigr,

I am SO sorry for my long absence and the delay in repplying to your post.
iīve been battling these couple deadlines for the past few weeks and truth is when I finally found the time to sit down and draw, I was usually SO tired I just wanted to sleeep.

Thank you for your post, I really appreciate it. You raise some very pertinent points.

Lady of the Horde suffers from having no script. At first it was fun because it allowed me some spontaneity and it worked for the initial chapters.
As the story progressed, though, I should have sat down to plan the whole thing. As it is, it became this blob of weekly creative bursts that still makes sense within the confines of its own peculiar context but is demanding and daunting for readers to follow.
Iīm a few pages away from wrapping the story but when I finally do find the time to sit down and look at this monster of a webcomic, itīs gonna require some really heavy story editing. Oh, yeah...

Good advice on the zoom out thing, I should definitely have done more.
It was with your post in mind that I did this weekīs spread, hope it works...

As for me making some $$$... I should definitely think about that.
Not with this webcomic but for my next endeavor, Iīm definitelly gonna have to start thinking about the bottom line. :)
Wow... I finally managed to use that expression in a phrase, weee. :p

09 September 2009, 06:14 PM
Haha. Nice job. That little snippet made so much more sense, it wasn't so chaotic. Good job! :thumbsup:

On to pay stuff, as is often the case, this is often affected greatly by popularity. I'd imagine you'd actually have availability for hard publications etc, however, should you do a webcomic style, it's a better idea to create merchandise alongside and sell that for money, while offering the comic free. If you manage to get it popular enough, not too hard considering your creativity, you'll be making quite a bit from it.

Though of course, anything like that requires extra help to keep things running smoothly.

Anways, whatever you do for the future, I'm sure you'll do well. :)

eliseu gouveia
10 October 2009, 11:11 PM
Thank you, draigr, you really gave me much to think about.

And thank you as well for checking out my thread, I really appreciate it.

10 October 2009, 02:49 PM
I am so sorry I am not one of the comics dudes, bucause I can't appreciate this kind of art enough then, but it's a brilliant work and you deserve a better attention here. Keep posting please :)

eliseu gouveia
11 November 2009, 11:10 PM
Thank you, Siilion, I really appreciate your post and comments.

You know, comics is as legitimate art as painting, literature or theatre. If you looked into it, Iīm sure you could find a comic title youīd like, thereīs an unbelievable diversity of themes, art styles and whatnot for everyone. :)

11 November 2009, 04:03 AM
Woo! Two posts in a week! You're on a roll!

Things are looking verrry interesting. I look forward to each update. Keep it up.

I thoroughly enjoy comics, and follow quite a few different webcomics, all of them very good, but so far as art goes, this one is probably either the best, or second best, depending on your perspective.

So far as creativity goes, this is by far the best.

Keep it up! How much longer do you think it'll go for?

eliseu gouveia
11 November 2009, 09:46 AM
Thanks, Draigr, I canīt tell you how much I appreciate what you just said, way too cool! :)

I have no idea how long this webcomic could go on, feels like Iīm just now scratching the surface. So many ideas have started poping up in my head...

11 November 2009, 03:38 PM
Hey Eliseu, i do come by and enjoy your comics although i don't always comment. You are a wonderful story teller with a great imagination. Your work is always entertaining, thanks for sharing with us!

eliseu gouveia
11 November 2009, 07:47 AM
Hey, Rabid,

thank you for your comments, I really appreciate it.
Know that someone out there is enjoying my story really inspires me to go on pumping new pages. :)

11 November 2009, 04:27 AM
Wheee! Another awesome update! I am forever intrigued. How do you manage to do that? Make a single shot that tells us something plotwise, but gives nothing away at all, and leaves us wanted to read it all the more??

eliseu gouveia
11 November 2009, 09:27 PM
Hey, Draigr,

thank you for your post and sorry for taking so long to update this new page.
I grew up reading Flash Gordon reprinted comic strips on a newspaper my dad would bring home from work and the one thing I learned from them was Cliffhangers.
Every page should end in a way that invites the reader to see what happens next.
I always try to follow that rule. :)

Yet another reason why The Devourer lost the fight before it even began:
Its heart just wasnīt in it.

11 November 2009, 06:53 AM
Oh. Clever, very clever. I'll admit, I never saw it coming because I had no clue who was where or anything else. Switching between characters so often tends to do that. I certainly enjoy them. But I've actually started not even bothering to work out what exactly is going on, I just enjoy the ride. So to speak.

You might want to work on the coherence a bit by creating more spatial context. Where characters are in relation to each other lets us fill in extra little details, like whether the mad person is talking to them self. Or to someone else.

That cliff hangers rule is an excellent one, by the way. I know I apply it in writing as often as possible. It's very handy in keeping people hooked.

How long does it actually take to do these pages? In reality?

eliseu gouveia
12 December 2009, 12:22 AM
Hi, Draigr,

thank you for your post and sorry for missing my weekend upload by a day.
You are 100% right, things did get a bit messy back there and one page a week doesnīt help simplify matters.
Iīll try to work more on the spacial awareness thing, it does tend to confuse the reader.

I have to confess I have given up trying to time how long a page takes.
My estimatives are all over the place by now but I would venture between 8-12 hours of pencils and inks, plus an hour or more of page composition, grayscale SFXs, etc.
But that chunk of time is divided along the week, there are days when I donīt even touch the page at all due to the workload.


Been dying to get these two girls back together again for MONTHS! :)

05 May 2010, 03:44 PM
Yo! You still around? I've been missing this comic and the random updates you did every now and then. I've been chomping my way through dozens of comics these last few months in an attempt to find awesome storylines and concepts - thus getting my own head fizzling - but I gotta say. This one keeps hanging round there. Nothing quite matches the style and personality of your characters and artwork.

On a random side note. Have you considered doing a watercolour page or two. Similar to what was done in Vagabond. The sheer contrast could create a very powerful effect if you time it just right. It's also very very good for conveying an ethereal feel and tone. Something I believe resonates very strongly with you, with so many explicit and implicit references to songs, orchestrations, memories and dreams/nightmares.

Anways, just popping in to wonder whether you're continuing this, and what else you got hanging about. I'd love to check it out!

eliseu gouveia
05 May 2010, 04:41 AM
Hi, Draigr,

I am really sorry for my long absence, I got a couple gigs that completely took over all the free time I had in the last couple months.

I canīt tell you how happy I am that youīve enjoyed checking my story.
Iīm only 6-8 pages away from completing this story, so hopefuly, I should be able to wrap it up in the the next couple weeks.

I have thougth many times about coloring the pages, but Iīm not very confident about my colouring skills .
B/W is where I īm more at home....

eliseu gouveia
05 May 2010, 10:42 PM

eliseu gouveia
06 June 2010, 04:48 AM

06 June 2010, 12:41 PM
Apologies for not replying! I've been pretty much smashed by the end of uni term and haven't really been able to do much at all since hols started!

This is truly epic! That last post an awesome cliffhanger! I have no idea what's coming next (not like I've ever had one), but I can't wait for the next to come up.

I notice that Narkissa is looking suitably evil in the last shot there. Heh.

I notice that your site is down, I take it the traffic wasn't too brilliant, or something to that effect. A pity. A question, though, how well do you think you're doing in the comic's business. I'd imagine you'd want to expand, and with skills like these, you can seriously go a long way - that's if you haven't already.

So I'm wondering where you think you're at. Basically. And then where you're planning on moving to.

This comic may be finishing soon enough, much to my own pity. But I fairly sure you have a lot of other projects and plans, and I'd really like to see some of your other work.

I can, if you wish, supply you with a list of online hosting comic sites that you can drop some of your free ones on for more exposure if you want it.

Essentially. This is awesome. And it could get a whole lot more awesome if taken to a whole new level. You have to be a certain kind of person to pull off a comic and storyline like this, a seriously brilliantly creative kind of person.

And I wanna see that whole new level!

eliseu gouveia
06 June 2010, 11:02 PM
Thank you, Draigr, I really appreciate your post.
Iīm glad you noticed Narkissaīs sinister look in that last page.
It will always be an uneasy alliance, Aeron on one side, Narkissa on the other, both always on the look out for an opening, but these are the closest Nadra will ever come to having real friends - aside from creating her own, that is-.

Sorry for missing last weekīs page upload but I got tied up with a deadline.

Lady of the Horde is in its last leg, only 3 more pages to go.
I do have ideas for 2 or 3 more storyarcs but I canīt afford to work on them right now, gotta bgo back to those rent-paying gigs. :p
Iīm gonna have a lot on my plate for the next couple months but Iīd really like to hear more about these online hosting sites you mentioned, maybe I can get the comic more exposure...?
Meanwhile, I canīt thank you enough for checking the pages, for your feedback and for your kind words of encouragement to keep this going for so long..

Been quite a while since he appeared all naked after Nadra rebuilt his body in the 3rd chapter, so youīll probably not remember him, but... meet Buster Keegan.

Three more to go.

06 June 2010, 06:27 AM
Awesome! I just reread the entire series, except for the comics that didn't upload, and it makes so much sense now!

And wow.

Epic doesn't even begin to describe the storyline. Nice!

Especially considering how you did it freestyle. I remember one story that I did like that, never got anywhere, but it did involve interplanar travelling, gods, a lady torching the hells to return to her love after being cursed away from him, and sibling rivalry that was waged between dimensions...

Alright. list of hosting places:

Once you've hosted, you can join these guys if you're female:

And this place is a very large listing of webcomics in rank:

If you can get high on the list there, you'll be doing very well for yourself.

This site was suggested by a successful webcomic guy who hosts quite a number of his own comics. Apparently it's good for learning new things.

These guys are pay to host, but they do seem to have a number of pretty decent webcomics:

All those sites listed above have their advantages and disadvantages, of course you'll need to know your website creation stuff if you want to tweak your webcomic.

Apparently SmackJeeves is really easy to use, whereas Comic Genesis offers a lot of control over your comic site layout. Drunkduck is apparently quite slow, and Rampage Network is very shiny and you get a free domain with them, since they only go with application the quality is generally up. You'll probably get in easy enough. Comic Dish is supposed to have very upfront and easygoing people in it.

Webcomic Nation gets a bad rap from being difficult to use.

These guys are new, but advertise themselves as easy to use:

These guys have some details on webcomic hosting places, but not much:

Generally, the most popular ones seem to be Keenspot, Comic Genesis, DrunkDuck and SmackJeeves.

Rampage, being somewhat harder to get into is less popular, but considered to be a very good service nonetheless.

Check em out and see what you think. Generally you want to look for somewhere that'll give you a lot of exposure quickly. Rampage, being smaller, has a good chance of that as you'll be exhibiting to a tighter audience.

Of course, a site that has a 'latest comics' option on it's front page will do the same thing for you.

When submitting, you probably don't want to go with an all at once approach. But rather a regular update with the backlog.

You might also want to consider extending the life of the comic by stretching out the story, filling in the details that characters refer to but aren't known to the reader. Fleshing out character stories and so on. As it is, the comic is very short for a webcomic, and won't last long enough to get a big reader base, which is what you're after. So you need to have something that will extend it's lifetime, or another comic available afterwards.

Then, of course, there's the update schedule that you'll have to deal with. Here on CGSociety, it's not a problem to update once every few weeks or longer. A webcomic, though, is usually expected to update at least once a week. Though I do read a fair few that update on a very irregular basis - less so then you do.

So those are some general sort of pointers. You'll need to ask questions before I can actually go into detail on anything you want to know. Just make sure that you consider the lifetime of your comic and various things like voting incentives for Top Web Comics, and the overall time you can spend keeping the web comic up to date and so on.

Hope that helps!

08 August 2010, 05:22 AM
Yo! Haven't heard from you in a while. What's been happening? How's things on your end?

Still looking forward to the ending!

CGTalk Moderation
08 August 2010, 05:22 AM
This thread has been automatically closed as it remained inactive for 12 months. If you wish to continue the discussion, please create a new thread in the appropriate forum.