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06 June 2007, 02:16 PM
Torsten Thuenen is entered in the "Strange Behavior Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/strange_behavior/view_entries.php?challenger=12639)
Latest Update: Final Image: Rodell and Lasil go to extremes
06 June 2007, 07:46 AM
OK, here's a first idea, which came to my mind. It's an octopus riding a sand buggy which is pulling another octopus in a para glider.
06 June 2007, 08:08 AM
Awesome! That is definitely strange.
06 June 2007, 07:15 PM
I started modelling the sand buggy. Not much, just a tire so far.
06 June 2007, 09:45 PM
Hey that's some nice tire!Got to tell my "Air liberators" about that, so they can stick their knifes in it to give the locked up air back to their god,haha!!!No seriously, sound really fun like idea!Good luck mate and all the fun!
06 June 2007, 11:21 PM
Now that idea is definitely strange behavior! Excellent! I love that tyre - amazing detail. Good luck with this
06 June 2007, 04:39 PM
Thanks for your comments. I really appreciate them.
Here's an update of the buggy.
06 June 2007, 04:39 PM
06 June 2007, 05:10 PM
nice renders so far!!!
keep it up :)
06 June 2007, 05:42 PM
This one is going to be good :thumbsup:
06 June 2007, 10:54 PM
hey you're petty far already, lookin good too, that 3d stuff
maybe needs some added weirdness tho, i see em shrimp n octopusies do
that all the time
06 June 2007, 08:15 PM
Cyberone, Logick: Thanks
Squibbit: I have to come to Finland and take a closer look to your sealife there.
Here's another update.
06 June 2007, 06:24 AM
Beautifully detailed modeling, Torsten. That's one nice design too
06 June 2007, 07:43 AM
Great details in model. We are going to see (too) many good images in this competition.
And welcome to Finland to see our spectacular sealife :rolleyes:.
07 July 2007, 08:15 PM
Thanks, Mark and Sami.
Here is another update.
07 July 2007, 08:17 PM
07 July 2007, 09:03 AM
hi Torsten,wow what a great model! beautiful detail!
07 July 2007, 06:46 PM
cool to have you in the challenge. I was waiting for your thread to appear. Let the fun begin.
07 July 2007, 07:04 PM
Hey great buggy! At first I thought the tyre tread looked a bit wierd, but I see it now - is it a load of sucker pads? That's a nice touch! :thumbsup:
07 July 2007, 07:36 PM
hm sucker pads is a great idea. I will keep that in mind.
I have started modelling the cockpit. Here 's a first WIP of the captains chair.
07 July 2007, 08:44 PM
Awesome! the vehicle is looking really cool!
07 July 2007, 02:39 AM
I agree with Bobby. The vehicle is beautifully done. The precision and detail are very impressive. Definitely no crits from me
07 July 2007, 08:42 AM
slick work mate!
07 July 2007, 07:52 PM
Wow, thanks for your support Bobby, Mark and John. I am so glad you like my entry.
Here is another small update.
07 July 2007, 11:08 AM
very nice idea :)
07 July 2007, 12:13 AM
Once again it all looks beautifully done and once again your attention to detail is superb. The elegant design of everything, plus the mix of hard geometric shapes with soft puffy seat padding shows some really superb modeling skills. Just a thought though: I'm wondering if that's all the framework you plan for the higher part of the chair because at the moment it doesn't seem strong enough to support much weight. Although maybe I'm just not interpreting correctly how the chair works
Another excellent update mate! Really nice stuff
07 July 2007, 07:26 AM
Vladimir: Thank you very much.
Mark: Thanks for your support. You are right. The back part of the chair looks a little weak. I have to think about that. Right now I have added a small supporting tube, just to prevent it from falling down.
On the other hand the whole cockpit is filled with water. So weight doesn't really count in this matter. :scream:
07 July 2007, 10:15 AM
07 July 2007, 05:43 PM
Here one more WIP. I may replace the door with another design which came to my mind. But not sure about that till now.
07 July 2007, 07:59 PM
modeling looks very nice! :thumbsup:
07 July 2007, 08:05 PM
wow, very nice! I love these nutty complicated models! looks great Torsten
07 July 2007, 12:26 AM
Yes, yes! The detail is amazing and totally believable. This is turning into a real feast for the eyes! Beautiful stuff :thumbsup:
07 July 2007, 05:00 PM
Michael, John, Mark, thank you very much.
It's really great to have such a nice support. It's why these challenges here are such a great experience.:bounce:
07 July 2007, 05:07 PM
Well, to spend a long day on the beach it's vital for an octopus to have enough food with him.
And is there something more delicious than fresh mussels from Cousteau's?
07 July 2007, 12:37 AM
Looks good enough to eat! Nice work
07 July 2007, 07:37 PM
I spent the last days modelling another door for the buggy. Now that it is finished I must realise that my machine crashes while rendering. I think it's a lack of memory. Total amound of polygons is now about 10.000.000.
Have to try again tomorrow. Hopefully I will be able to show a WIP than.:arteest:
07 July 2007, 08:44 PM
very interesting thread - great modelling - keep up the good work!
07 July 2007, 02:24 PM
I am a little depressed at the moment. My machine can't handle the rendering anymore.
So here is a screenshot of the buggy with the new door.
I think modelling is done for now. Next step will be the octopus.
07 July 2007, 02:25 PM
Here's a closer look to the cockpit with the new door.
07 July 2007, 11:54 AM
Fantastic! The level of detail is wonderful. The sucker-like details around those arms are a brilliant touch too. That's bad luck about the rendering problems. It looks like you're in the same situation as me - I'm now forced to render my spaceship in 3 bits. I'll post a bit more of an explanation over at my thread.
Perhaps that approach could get you rendering again.
07 July 2007, 04:40 AM
insane details mate! :eek: love the concept too! .. looks like you .. Mark (mdavid) n me have smthin in common :cry: my pc is slowin down too .. and at a pretty fast rate :cry: tho i'm not using 3d .. photoshop's taking the cookie monster's role and gobbling up all the resources! :cry:
good luck to u mate! :thumbsup: this is kick-ass work! :buttrock:
07 July 2007, 06:43 PM
Mark: Thank you very much. I will see if I can split the model and render in separate passes.
Neville: Thanks man. Yeah Photoshop can be a resource killer. I hope my machine will survive the compositing part later on.
07 July 2007, 10:25 PM
Your modelling of the octopus buggy is amazing! it's great when somebody pays attention to all the little details that makes something stand out.
I can understand your memory woes, only recently I was doing all my 3D work with only 512 Mb which really sucked. I now have 1.5 gb but haven't pushed it to it's limits...yet.
Good luck with your excellent model.
07 July 2007, 06:26 PM
Thanks Jason, I am saving all my money for a new machine so I don't want to spend money for some extra RAM for this old one here.
Here's a first WIP of the octopus. It's still very basic. Organic models are much harder for me to model than those inorganic ones.
Thanks for your support.
07 July 2007, 05:46 AM
I am saving all my money for a new machine so I don't want to spend money for some extra RAM for this old one here.Yeah, me too. I hope to buy a new computer later in the year and that's when I'll be looking at RAM.
Nice start on the octopus. You say that organic models are more difficult than the inorganic ones but I have a hunch your octopus is going to look excellent
08 August 2007, 04:49 PM
Thanks Mark for your ongoing support.
Later in the year was the same time when I would like to buy a new machine. Unfortunately I've lost my job end of march and since now haven't been able to find a new one.
I now have decided to put together a demo reel and next to the field I am educated in (microbiology) try to find a job in the CG field.
A WIP of my reel can be found here. (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=153&t=524669)
Anyway here is a small update for the octopus.
08 August 2007, 07:06 PM
keep it coming! :thumbsup:
08 August 2007, 09:59 AM
Here is a first layout test. I may add a seagull in the upper right corner, because it's quite empty there.
08 August 2007, 07:16 PM
08 August 2007, 07:16 PM
Here's a palm tree I modeled for the background.
08 August 2007, 11:54 PM
That's one smart looking palm tree. I'm very impressed with how the leaf fronds all grow out of the centre. I like the texture you've set up for the bark too. Great to see some new updates from you buddy
08 August 2007, 11:45 AM
here is a first WIP for the beach. I used tilable maps for color, bump and displacement.
Now I'll have to find a way to get the skidmarks of the buggy into the sand.
08 August 2007, 09:31 AM
like the way the modelling is coming along... great detailing :applause:
09 September 2007, 07:46 PM
Hi Torsten, I like your idea and your great modeling :thumbsup:
Keep koming the updates, thats really interesting :bounce:
09 September 2007, 01:20 AM
Looking really good. The sand is very believable - I found myself checking the shadows just to check if it was a photo. I wouldn't have a clue how to put skid marks or tyre tracks into that sand. My first guess would be a displacement map or even paint it in during post work, but I'm sure some of the smart people here know some cool tricks
09 September 2007, 11:03 AM
09 September 2007, 12:49 PM
Chaitanya, Maciej, Mark and Levent: Thanks for your kind words
Here is a small update. I found a way to put the tyre tracks into the sand.
09 September 2007, 02:27 PM
I started modelling the glider. Have to add details.
And some good news. A friend sold me his copy of Maxon Cinema 4D. I will go on using XSI for modelling but now have BodyPaint 3D for texturing.
09 September 2007, 09:30 AM
I started to texture the octopus. Right now I have done everything in Photoshop. Now I have to switch to BodyPaint 3D to get rid of the seams. But on the first glimpse the GUI looks a bit strange. I hope I will manage to learn it.
09 September 2007, 09:41 AM
Hey Torsten, awesome octopus!! wooow really cool !! Perhaps the texture is a bit bump for a real octopus, but I think that its seen very well thus, I really liked :thumbsup: The Palm tree and the glider are great too! Great work mate!! :)
09 September 2007, 03:12 PM
Thanks Fernando. I am really glad you like it.
I reworked the seam area in BodyPaint 3D and placed a very basic rig into the octopus. (Just some IK chains). I hope it's enough to position the octopus because I have no idea on how to do a "real" rig.
09 September 2007, 02:33 AM
That's one fantastic octopus and it's looking so real it's a bit spooky. The high-res version is beautiful.
Maybe a bit of watery sparkle on its skin could be nice, but I admit it already looks brilliant.
Cool update :thumbsup:
09 September 2007, 02:45 AM
Hey Torsten, that octopus looks awesome!! , great update mate!! I think your "basic" rig can will work really well (you need only a one pose , and that ik chains are more than enough :) ) Great work mate!! And i cant wait to see the octopus on the ship and the glider ! :beer:
09 September 2007, 05:53 PM
Mark: Thanks man. Your support is really encouraging. About the watery sparkle: They would only appear if the octopus would be outside the water. But the cockpit is full it.
Fernando: Thanks as well. Your right. It's only one pose. So I can tweak CPs after I posed the bones. Hopefully we will be able to see everything in one screen. Till now the rendering problem isn't solved.
To speed up the above render I've hidden the glass. It still took like ages to render it.
09 September 2007, 02:17 AM
About the watery sparkle: They would only appear if the octopus would be outside the water. But the cockpit is full it.That's fantastic. I love that idea. Makes it more strange and more realistic (and more beautiful too I think)
Your new render looks brilliant. I think I know what you mean about your rendering problems. (My scene is now broken up into 7 sections just to make rendering possible, and rendering each section takes a very long time.) So just keep at it mate, because the results you're getting are superb
09 September 2007, 03:10 AM
Hey Torsten, really a great update!!, i like a lot all the detail on the octopus parachute system , cool man!!! :thumbsup: Great work mate!! Cheers :beer:
09 September 2007, 06:14 PM
Again Mark and Fernando, thank you very much.
Today is the day where I can finally announce that the modeling process is done. Maybe some minor things will pop to my mind later but for now I will continue with texturing the buggy and the glider.
I think breaking up the scene could be a good solution. I only have to find out how that will work because of all the glass which should have reflection and refraction.
Thanks again for your support.
09 September 2007, 06:16 PM
Here's a close-up of the glider cockpit.
09 September 2007, 07:35 PM
A quick test I did.
Rendering is not a problem as long as I abandon my beloved octopus like door. Without a new machine there will be no chance to render it. Even if I try to render only the door it would take more time than this challenge last. I may have to model a much more simple door.
09 September 2007, 06:48 PM
So, here is a first test for the layout of my scene.
10 October 2007, 07:54 PM
Good news. I couldn't believe that it should not be possible to render the octopus like door. The polycount of it isn't that much higher than the rest of the buggy. So I tried to export them as obj. files and re-import them into XSI and
Here is the buggy with the octopus and the door.
10 October 2007, 10:05 PM
Hey Torsten, that is simply awesome.... woooww I love the buggy and the amazing door ( great solution mate!!) and like a lot the composition for your scene. Perhaps the palms need to be taller (the left and right palm mainly, and creat a "U" shape for the palms line).
Again, great work mate!! Cheers! :beer:
10 October 2007, 10:48 PM
This is coming along really well. Well done for sorting out your problems with the files too - that's a clever solution. Your composition look excellent
10 October 2007, 07:20 PM
Fernado, Mark: Thank you very much.
The palm trees are now only copies of one render. I will tweak them different and make the a little bigger.
Right now I have started to render out some parts of the buggy in final resolution, which will be 2500 x 3571. I am splitting it into lots of different passes, so I can easily modify them in compositing process. Also it keeps the render time in an acceptable range. I am just a little concerned about the amount of memory Photoshop will use to put all those parts together.
Thanks again for your support.
10 October 2007, 06:03 AM
wow hey pretty cool stuff with the pic there, buddy :)
composition looks cool and i really liked the close-ups of the glider cockpit too
the vehicle looks great of course also, i wanna see some renders now, keep it up :)
10 October 2007, 05:35 PM
Thanks Squibbit, I am glad you like it.
I am now nearly finished with the rendering process for the buggy. Just 3 passes left. After that I have to work on textures for the glider and than render it. Really hope to make it in time.
10 October 2007, 11:56 AM
So I finished the rendering process for the buggy. Here's an image in 1/3 size.
Click here (http://bluesplinearts.de/WIP/SB/Final_01.jpg) to see the final resolution image.
Photoshop is already at it's limit. So post work will be quite difficult. But I will try.
First I have to render the rest.
10 October 2007, 10:54 AM
So, I have rendered all passes, but I may have to re-render some of them, because some parts seem to be overexposed.
10 October 2007, 09:26 PM
Hey Torsten, wooooww! great my friend !! I love your fearless octopus!! For sure is an awesome image! cool!!
I agree with you about over exposed zones: The palms are a bit over exposed (I think a darker green on the leafs) and the bottom part of the buggy (the zone of the motor ).
I think you need to move the palm that is behind of the buggy cockpit, the diffraction makes a strange looks on that palm. Perhaps moving to the right ( too look a bit the trunk ) or to the center ( making it a bit smaller).
Maybe the wheels of the bugy need some sand on it (you can add with photoshop or add sand to the UV map of the wheels), for now they looks really new :) (Seem not to have been shot :D ) And perhaps a more marked trail on the sand.
A question: your concept its with the buggy stopped? or in motion? I think you can add a small dust-sand cloud behind the buggy As if the buggy will eventually stop ( if your concept is with buggy stopped :))
Think the glider texture its a bit "solid", perhaps you need a more translucent texture for a more fabric texture look on it, and i dont like the text on the glider, sorry :D Maybe a different colour strips on it.
I do dare this large comment because I think that your concept is one of the coolest on the challenge :thumbsup:
Again, awesome work Torsten!! You are really close to the finish line my friend!! Cheers !! :beer:
10 October 2007, 11:41 PM
Wow! I've never known what an octopus doing that looks like. Well now I do know! It's great fun seeing it all come together like that. Great stuff! I agree with Fernando about the palm tree behind the driver. It seems to look like it's part of the buggy. At first I thought you could make that palm tree taller, but then the rope to the parachute would get caught in it. So maybe you could take it out.
No one could ever accuse you of not depicting some strange behavior! The scary thing is, you're making it look possible
10 October 2007, 07:09 PM
Fernando: Thank you very much my friend. I really appreciate your large comment. I have now re-rendered the overexposed parts and removed the right palm tree for once. I may add it later in a different position. Dust, sand and scratches will be added in PS. The concept was with the buggy in motion, but I may stop it.
The text on the parachute is gone. It was just a try and I didn't like it either.
Mark: Thank you very much. Your final image is pure fun.
10 October 2007, 07:11 PM
So, here is the image with the re-rendered parts.
10 October 2007, 05:03 AM
nice work man i realy want to see your final render.
10 October 2007, 11:46 PM
Hey Torsten, great update !! I like a lot the new look for the glider, really nice strips and nice traslucent on the glider!:thumbsup: The palm looks really nice. And now i´m thinking in the right sky space ... Perhaps a thiker cloud on that zone or a gull flying in that part :D . Great work my friend, and i cant wait to see your next render !! Cheers!! :beer:
10 October 2007, 11:51 AM
Eduardo: Thanks, I hope I will be able to deliver in time.
Fernando: Thanks, man. You are right about the upper right corner of the image. A gull was my first idea, too. Let's see what I can do about it.
I started to do some Photoshop work.
10 October 2007, 02:05 AM
Hey Torsten, nice PS work ! :D I like the sand on the wheels :thumbsup: And I hope you have time to put the gull ( maybe looking to the octopus and totally astonished :D ), that can be a great and cool touch! Again, really great work my friend ! Cheers! :beer:
10 October 2007, 06:33 PM
Time is almost up. I've interrupted my PS work for a short time and got back to modeling. So here is the seagull.
10 October 2007, 09:11 PM
Hey Torsten, the seagulls are a cool touch!!! and puts a great enviroment (beach) feeling !!:D I like a lot ! :thumbsup: Great work my friend! Cheers :beer:
10 October 2007, 02:19 PM
With the June full moon only days ahead and so the time for the yearly Grand Caribbean Beach Race almost there, octopuses from all over the ocean spend the nights practicing for this big event. Every night during these days all the beaches were crowded with octopuses in their buggies and gliders.
But nobody ever expected such a strange behaviour as exhibit by Rodell and Lasil. Throwing their nocturnality over board they start practicing even at day time just to make sure that this year they are not beaten by a blink of an eye from the all time favourites Fayard and Marques.
10 October 2007, 09:56 PM
Hey Torsten! Congratulations!
10 October 2007, 10:44 PM
Congratulations - it looks brilliant. I've always been impressed by your ability to produce beautifully detailed and utterly believable machinery and once again you've come up with the goods. I'm glad you were able to get through your render problems too. This image is a lot of fun and definitely qualifies as strange behavior. Good luck
10 October 2007, 08:19 AM
Hey Torsten, great great work my friend. I simply love your concept , really cool !! The buggy is amazing and the cockpit is wonderful. The atmosphere on your scene is an authentic caribean day ( and i can say that :D ) The octopus are magnificent, really great! Even Michael Schumacher will have up problems with these two brave octopus!! Again, really great art work Torsten! Congratulations and good luck my friend!! Cheers! :beer:
(I dont know if you work more on it on the two weeks extension, but i´m looking on your thread for sure :) )
11 November 2007, 11:02 AM
ashiataka: Thank you very much.
Mark: Thank you for your wonderful support throughout the whole challenge. I really appreciate your encouraging comments and critiques.
Fernando: I am really glad you like my entry and that you think I have matched an authentic caribbean day. My last time I have been there was in 1993 (man I am getting old) and I really hope I will find the time and money to go there again. Actually Mexico is on our "to go list" :scream:
11 November 2007, 05:02 AM
hehehehe :D congratulations dude! :applause:that sure looks fun! :bounce: :eek: love the details on the vehicle! good luck with the judging! :thumbsup:
11 November 2007, 05:02 AM
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