View Full Version : Help a brother out. Buying a new system

03 March 2003, 11:01 PM
ack . . . buying a new computer sucks big hairy goatballs .. .

there's just TO much to choose from nowadays.

i need some help here on what works with what.
I'm mostly going to use it for 3d
I was thinking of the following

- intel p4 2.8 or a p4 3.06 HT
- GigaByte Ati Radeon 9700
- 2x Kingston Dimm 512Mb DDR SDram PC2700 333Mhz [if going singlechannel on an ASUS P4PE] or
- 2x Kingston Dimm 512Mb DDR Sdram PC2100 CAS2.5 ECC-R [if going dualchannel on an ASUS P4G8X]
- Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9, 120Gb, 7200rpm 8Mb cache Harddisk
- Asus P4PE or P4G8X

won't bore you with sound & inputdevices at this point
will however tell that i'm going for a Chieftec Dragon black for sure :D

anyhoo, i was wondering if you guys could tell me if these specs look allright and what would be the benefit [or downside] of hyperthreading and dualchannel ddr . . . and if it doesn't look all that, what you guys would choose instead . . .


03 March 2003, 01:17 AM
What are your main apps for this machine?

First thoughts are:

I might check out the Western Digital SE series instead of the Maxtor. (personal preference though).

The 3.06 is a fine choice, if you've got the green. Great for rendering with HT enabled.

For workstation, I'd go with the ASUS P4GE8X with dual-channel ECC.

If yer set on ATi, maybe look into the just announed R350 card, I dont know the actual street date but it may be worth a look.

03 March 2003, 03:15 AM
I second the western digital option. Personally, Maxtors have been a big pain for me.

03 March 2003, 09:11 AM
cheers mates.

it's gonna be a workstation, so i might indeed go with that dual channel. [mainly using 3dsmax & photoshop]

as for the ati, the 9700 pro costs enough allready as it is. i got money, but i'm no millionaire :p

and i'll look into the western digital for a disk. thx peeps

03 March 2003, 11:19 AM
ati cards have superb 2D image quality, which is great news if you're a photochopper. have a look and see what 9500 and 9500pro cards retail for around you, as they still give pretty good 3d performance while keeping ati's great 2d quality.

as for the dual channel ram: that will certainly help you in photoshop much more than max. if you are pushing very high res files around, then i'd consider it a necessity. if you're mostly working with low to medium screen res (as opposed to higher print/poster res) then it's probably not that much fo a benefit to you.

03 March 2003, 01:26 PM
intel p4 2.8 or a p4 3.06 HT

2.8b. Its significantly cheaper then the 3.06. The Hyperthreading helps, but it should actually be cheaper to buy a 2.8 now, and then a 3.06 after may 11th, then to just buy a 3.06 right now.

Oh btw, Intel price cut (30% off 2.8 and 3.06 pricing) May 11th. This is also the date when the 3.2 HT (800 FSB) and 3.06/2.8 800 FSB chips are least according to the price cut diagram. The 800 FSB chips/chipsets i865PE are replacing the current i845PE line, and should hold out for at least a year...before intel decides to change everything again. If you can wait...of course do. If not, you know the drill.

- GigaByte Ati Radeon 9700

Because you specifically mentioned 3dsmax, I would avoid this card. Look into the Nvidia Geforce4 Ti line (ti 4200) or the Quadro line (750XL, 900XL, 980XL). Max's sweet spot as always been nvidia cards, mainly due to the poor opengl implementation of discreet's software. (Not banging on nvidia here, just discreet :) )

You can get Ti 4200's for around 120-150 USD, and 750XL's for around 350 USD, 900/980XL's in the 500 USD range.

- 2x Kingston Dimm 512Mb DDR Sdram PC2100 CAS2.5 ECC-R [if going dualchannel on an ASUS P4G8X]

I'd go dual channel for the following reasons.

1) The E7205 is a superior chipset to the i845PE.
2) PC2100 DDR is cheaper then PC2700. (I think you can get away with unbuffered dimms on some of the e7205 boards)
3) Dual Channel DDR produces an equivilant bandwidth to Dual Channel PC800 Rambus. 4.3 gb/sec vs 4.2 gb/sec. PC2700 DDR is 2.7 gb/sec. P4's are extremely bandwidth hungry processors.

03 March 2003, 02:27 PM
thx for that gregg . . . very usefull information . . .

i'll consider your points :)

03 March 2003, 09:33 AM
1stly DONT buy GigaByte Ati Radeon 9700 for max. Other than that you're cool. trust me its a waste of good moolah on radeon... for max at lease.

edit: didnt read hass's mail. sorry, well like he said.

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